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RE: Unofficial 2017/18 Off Season MBB's Thread
Time for Murphy to go out and hire the next Ben Braun. Maybe history will repeat itself.
03-20-2017 04:34 PM
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(03-20-2017 12:06 PM)emu steve Wrote:  I will make a parenthetical comment that presuming that Brown and White are gone as suggested by the roster.

One of our posters a month ago wanted to fire Murphy and promote Brown to acting head coach.

Wow... Talk about being dead wrong...

BTW, I assume assistant coaches contracts expire end of March. The ass't coaches contracts not extended????

Let me SPECULATE:

Heather knew the end of last week that she might be leaving.

Did she opt to in effect say: Keep Murphy and let certain assistants go.

Kind of like wrap things up before going out the door to Pitt. Do leave things undone for the interim AD.

Steve, you're funny. I guess you're implying I was dead wrong about Brown lol. I wanted Murphy fired and Brown appointed head coach Midway thru the season because I already knew the end of the story with Murphy. Brown probably knew that Murphy will not have his contract renewed and left on his terms. It's too bad for EMU that Gragg signed a ridiculous contract with Murphy especially since everyone wants him gone!
03-20-2017 09:41 PM
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Rollover contracts are standard at EMU. Maybe an industry (college FB and basketball) standard too. I don't think they were dreamt up just for English, Murphy, etc.

Fans want coaches to serve 'at the pleasure' of the AD and most importantly, us, but that isn't how the world works.

Coaches have agents which negotiate clauses which offer protection to the coach just as there are clauses which protest the university (just ask P.J. Fleck who owes a boat load of money to Western. Lol. Pun intended).

I saw Murphy's contract (it is online) and it is basically bilateral or symmetrical, i.e., if he leaves early (resign or fired), one party owes the other one year's salary. That seems fair to me.
03-21-2017 01:16 AM
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(03-21-2017 01:16 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Rollover contracts are standard at EMU. Maybe an industry (college FB and basketball) standard too. I don't think they were dreamt up just for English, Murphy, etc.

Fans want coaches to serve 'at the pleasure' of the AD and most importantly, us, but that isn't how the world works.

Coaches have agents which negotiate clauses which offer protection to the coach just as there are clauses which protest the university (just ask P.J. Fleck who owes a boat load of money to Western. Lol. Pun intended).

I saw Murphy's contract (it is online) and it is basically bilateral or symmetrical, i.e., if he leaves early (resign or fired), one party owes the other one year's salary. That seems fair to me.

The killer for EMU in Murphy's contract is the 20 game clause automatically extending his terms for an additional year.

If we play too many NAIA teams OOC and let's say finish with 8-9 wins then finish 10-8 in conference and then win two tourney games or buy into a post season tournament it's not that difficult to win 20 games.
03-21-2017 04:57 AM
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(03-21-2017 04:57 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 01:16 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Rollover contracts are standard at EMU. Maybe an industry (college FB and basketball) standard too. I don't think they were dreamt up just for English, Murphy, etc.

Fans want coaches to serve 'at the pleasure' of the AD and most importantly, us, but that isn't how the world works.

Coaches have agents which negotiate clauses which offer protection to the coach just as there are clauses which protest the university (just ask P.J. Fleck who owes a boat load of money to Western. Lol. Pun intended).

I saw Murphy's contract (it is online) and it is basically bilateral or symmetrical, i.e., if he leaves early (resign or fired), one party owes the other one year's salary. That seems fair to me.

The killer for EMU in Murphy's contract is the 20 game clause automatically extending his terms for an additional year.

If we play too many NAIA teams OOC and let's say finish with 8-9 wins then finish 10-8 in conference and then win two tourney games or buy into a post season tournament it's not that difficult to win 20 games.
I'm hoping that the bb scheduling can be improved now that Lyke is gone. That's one thing that seemed to suffer under her leadership. I still think the MAC needs to partner with other mid-major conferences to get more D1 games for everybody.
03-21-2017 06:04 AM
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(03-21-2017 06:04 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 04:57 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 01:16 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Rollover contracts are standard at EMU. Maybe an industry (college FB and basketball) standard too. I don't think they were dreamt up just for English, Murphy, etc.

Fans want coaches to serve 'at the pleasure' of the AD and most importantly, us, but that isn't how the world works.

Coaches have agents which negotiate clauses which offer protection to the coach just as there are clauses which protest the university (just ask P.J. Fleck who owes a boat load of money to Western. Lol. Pun intended).

I saw Murphy's contract (it is online) and it is basically bilateral or symmetrical, i.e., if he leaves early (resign or fired), one party owes the other one year's salary. That seems fair to me.

The killer for EMU in Murphy's contract is the 20 game clause automatically extending his terms for an additional year.

If we play too many NAIA teams OOC and let's say finish with 8-9 wins then finish 10-8 in conference and then win two tourney games or buy into a post season tournament it's not that difficult to win 20 games.
I'm hoping that the bb scheduling can be improved now that Lyke is gone. That's one thing that seemed to suffer under her leadership. I still think the MAC needs to partner with other mid-major conferences to get more D1 games for everybody.

Not going to happen - MAC will always struggle to get D1 opponents of similar caliber. Unless of course they are willing to travel and play away from home and we all know how tough it is to win away games no matter what opponent you face. I would expect the same type of scheduling no matter who the AD is.

I am still in shock that Brown and White are gone. What the hell happened?
03-21-2017 06:55 AM
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It's not like Murph and the crew don't try to schedule other opponents. At the press conference after the game at UofD, he said he wants to play every DI team in the state every year. The other teams won't do it though. I'm 100% on board with the idea and would love to see UofD, Oakland, MSU, and UM on the OOC schedule every year and then CMU and WMU in conference. I think it would be great for the state.
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(03-21-2017 07:44 AM)KPJ Wrote:  It's not like Murph and the crew don't try to schedule other opponents. At the press conference after the game at UofD, he said he wants to play every DI team in the state every year. The other teams won't do it though. I'm 100% on board with the idea and would love to see UofD, Oakland, MSU, and UM on the OOC schedule every year and then CMU and WMU in conference. I think it would be great for the state.

Yep. People seem to have selective memory about this. In a home game press conference a couple years ago, he also said he wished he had the budget to get more mid-major home games.

I'm not a Murphy apologist (I've commented here that I want him to go), but Murphy wants a better home schedule just as bad as any of us.

Which brings us to the next question: how much involvement did Spears have in scheduling basketball?
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(03-21-2017 07:44 AM)KPJ Wrote:  It's not like Murph and the crew don't try to schedule other opponents. At the press conference after the game at UofD, he said he wants to play every DI team in the state every year. The other teams won't do it though. I'm 100% on board with the idea and would love to see UofD, Oakland, MSU, and UM on the OOC schedule every year and then CMU and WMU in conference. I think it would be great for the state.

Exactly. And Murphy has stated his disdain for our joke of a home schedule several times before, most notably in a press conference in 2015.

Nickle is right...it's very difficult for us (and most MAC teams) to get any decent opponents to come to our building. Vermont and North Florida were decent exceptions, but I personally don't see much of a difference between teams like Coppin State and Rochester College, save for their division affiliation. Maybe our new AD can swing some good home-and-homes or 2-for-1's. Lyke did a good job overall, but many of us were very disappointed with hoops scheduling.
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(03-21-2017 07:44 AM)KPJ Wrote:  It's not like Murph and the crew don't try to schedule other opponents. At the press conference after the game at UofD, he said he wants to play every DI team in the state every year. The other teams won't do it though. I'm 100% on board with the idea and would love to see UofD, Oakland, MSU, and UM on the OOC schedule every year and then CMU and WMU in conference. I think it would be great for the state.

A similar system works well for the Philadelphia schools. And I think the Buffalo and NYC schools.
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