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RE: Boeheim being Boeheim.....then gets owned by Greensboro
(03-09-2017 05:04 PM)orangefan Wrote: (03-09-2017 04:01 PM)Indytarheel Wrote: I noticed that no one addressed the article linked in Hallcity's post. I would side step it as well since it demolishes the dumb arse comments made by Boeheim. Additionally, many of you guys seem to forget how long it took the Big East to finally over take the ACC as being the number one basketball conference. Adding 20 new members to a conference and pointing to units is great. Pointing to FF's are fine as well when you can't point to championships. And, if you can only point to a sliver of time (2 maybe 3 years) as your crowning glory, you certainly need to reevaluate your definition of being the best. If it wasn't for UConn, the Big East would be a joke. All you guys do is point to that little sliver of time. Try going back beyond that point... I know, I know, not much there. 80s, you say Georgetown (1 NC '84)... I say Carolina (4 NCs '82, '93, '05, '09). You say Villanova (2NCs, '85 '16), I say NC State (1 NC since '80s in '83). You say Syracuse (1NC in '03), I say Maryland (1NC in '02). You say UConn (4NCs, '99, '04, '11, '14), I say Duke (5 NCs, '91, '92, '01, '10, '15) and of course U of L's championship for the Big East in '13.
Nothing Boeheim said made any sense and you guys know it. Now, should there be a better rotation, yes. I think it should be three year rotations of Greensboro, NYC, ATL, DC, Louisville, Charlotte and Chicago.
No doubt, the ACC has had a tremendous history. Also, no doubt, the Big East was constantly unstable throughout it's history. Nonetheless, in the 8 years between the 2003-2005 realignment and the 2011-13 realignment, the ACC was a two team league and the Big East was far and away the dominant conference in college basketball and it wasn't all about UConn. Syracuse and Louisville both earned more NCAA units during that period.
As my prior numbers show, take away UNC and Duke from the ACC during that period, and it looks like a high mid-major. Take away any two schools from the Big East, and it was still better than the ACC with Duke and UNC.
With respect to UConn, I would agree that during the period from around 1992 through 2005, the Big East was the two team conference -- UConn and Syracuse -- with UConn being the stronger of the two. It was suffering the same stagnation in the middle and bottom of the conference that the ACC saw prior to its recent realignment. Sending three of its weaker basketball schools to the ACC and replacing them with a group that included Louisville and Marquette completely changed the dynamic of the Big East. The ACC's recent additions now have done exactly the same thing for the ACC.
As far as Boeheim's comments, he speaks what's on his mind, and usually does so in a manner that rubs a lot of people the wrong way. He has a point though -- New York City is still the capital of college basketball, and playing there is great for marketing the conference and for recruiting. I'm sure both ESPN and the ACC want the ACC Network to clear cable systems in NY at full price. Lighting a fire under the NYC fan base about ACC basketball will go a long way to achieving that. Having said that, Greensboro has tremendous tradition and is conveniently located for many member schools. It should be part of any regular rotation of tournament sites.
A minor thing because I agree with most of your points but from 2001-2005, the big east was not a two team conference. Pitt had turned into a consistent contender by that point.
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