My bad. 3 star. Two 4stars on the bench

(10-08-2016 04:36 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 04:31 PM)BCatWillie Wrote:  Our recruiting is on par with the. AAC. We have three 4 star QBs. Player development is lacking.
We're not going to get much better recruits in the AAC.

Moore was a 4 star recruit?

They all together average 4 stars Kiel a five, Moore a three and Trail a 4.

(10-08-2016 04:39 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 04:36 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 04:31 PM)BCatWillie Wrote:  Our recruiting is on par with the. AAC. We have three 4 star QBs. Player development is lacking.
We're not going to get much better recruits in the AAC.

Moore was a 4 star recruit?

They all together average 4 stars Kiel a five, Moore a three and Trail a 4.

What service was Trail rated a four star?

(10-08-2016 04:31 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Objectively the problem is the Head Coach. This has been building since the end of Year 2. He rode the success that was built before he got here and now his "jig is up." He couldn't hack it in a mid-tier B12 school and now he can't handle a G5 program. He is dying on the vine and needs to step down and enjoy retirement with his wife and family. That's it.

This.

The epic fails here are mirror images of what he was doing at Texas Tech. He just beat feet out of town before the sherrif canned him in year 4. Dude has the survival instinct of a cockroach in a nuclear winter.

The talking heads last week. Really... How many AAC programs have higher rated QBs out of high school.

The point is our talent is on par with the conference, just not developing.

(10-08-2016 03:57 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  Fans that don't appreciate how good a 3-3 record is with wins over Purdue, an FCS team, and Miami (OH).

Bingo! Do you know how many teams would love to be 3-3 right now?!?!?

The players, the offensive coordinator and everyone but TT is to blame. He is amazing and the greatest coach of all time. No worries, next year will be a lot better. We will have more speed, more experience and everything will be great!

The above is what TT will spew and Bohn will be all about it! I'm sick.

Staff does an absolutely awful job recruiting. I do not expect them to land 5 stars, however at least be able to evaluate talent. When I hear of local kids they didn't even bother performing due diligence on, something is wrong. It's one thing to miss out on recruits due to conf status, another to not even bother looking in the first place.

Inability to develop the talent they do acquire. I see guys regressing every year. Team has yet to execute a good tackle in 4 years.

Football is supposed to be fun. Be excited you get to strap on the pads. These guys act as if they are being led to the gallows or a physics final exam. I used to think Lyle's motivational tactics were hokey. I was completely wrong.

Mistake free football. I see too many penalties and turnovers. Year in and year out. This shows there is a lack of focus and discipline on this team.

Happened to be at practice a few weeks back. My first one in a long time. Tubs spent vast stretches at the water bucket just watching. No coaching no advice no comments. Sippin on some water talking to some low level staffer joking around.

I think "objectively" we have a number of problems... I'll start at the top and work down a little:
1) LACK OF LEADERSHIP!
Starting with the AD and percolating down to the HC and then down the line... We have no leadership. There is no call for improvement, there is nobody "manning up" and taking initiative to make it better. We know the HC is a "managerial" type of coach, but for God's sake!!! He can complain about "not having players" but HE'S THE ONE THAT RECRUITED THEM. He's the one who is supposed to develop them.

Look back to the high-points of UC football... Brian Kelly's famous "Next Man In!" and "Represent the C!" and even Butch Jones' "Hold the Rope!" We went to a BCS bowl game in a season where FIVE DIFFERENT QBs had to start games...was there whining about "I don't have the players" or "We're too young!" Or even in that terrible 2011 season; did we hear Butch whining about "The cupboard is bare..." when it was? Nope. Kelly coined the "Next man in" slogan and we kept going and Jones kept his mouth largely shut and we got through 2011.

We just don't have a leader...and I will not let Bohn off this. He's the AD, it's his job to make sure that other people are doing their jobs. And it isn't happening. And while I'd like to see a "High Character" kid rise up and take responsibility for rallying the players, Tuberville hasn't recruited "High Character Kids" at all...so there is nobody there to rally. Leadership starts at the top. When players don't see leadership above them, then they will not rise to the occasion.

2) Talent.
We just don't have it. Our recruiting classes have been 80+ and finished at best 6th in the conference. We have MAC talent. Those are the schools that are around us in the standings and the ones most of our recruits hold offers from. MAC and CUSA. So, really, should we be surprised when our teams finish in the 60-80 type range? Yes, Dantonio succeeded with classes ranked in the 80's, but he was an excellent evaluator of talent and also a developer of talent. The current HC is neither of these things.

3) Staff.
Our staff is, as many have said, "cobbled together" and not cohesive. Dantonio brought together a cohesive staff, Kelly brought most of his with him, and so did Jones. Some of us hoped that maybe Tuberville would recruit one of his old DC's (for example)...Chizik perhaps...but NOBODY seems to want to follow the guy. So we've been puttering with Assistants who were cast off from other programs, with different approaches. There isn't a "Tuberville" tree like there was with Kelly. Which wouldn't be so bad if Tuberville could develop assistants. But like with the players, Tuberville doesn't seem to be involved enough to evaluate or teach his assistants.

Maybe Tuberville is just laisse faire in his approach, but we NEED a different skill set right now.

Problem with Tommy is that he only operates in the mode of an upper tier SEC coach, where you have the money to hire a top flight staff to run the nuts and bolts of the operation and the logo on your polo shirts brings in the recruits. That doesn't work here and that was my initial concern when I first heard he was hired. Let's just hope for the next guy they don't go for another splash hire by getting a name HC who's currently bottom feeding on the way back down the food chain, or god forbid, a Kerry Coombs who isn't capable of coaching at this level beyond being a cheerleader..

(10-08-2016 05:07 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Problem with Tommy is that he only operates in the mode of an upper tier SEC coach, where you have the money to hire a top flight staff to run the nuts and bolts of the operation and the logo on your polo shirts brings in the recruits. That doesn't work here and that was my initial concern when I first heard he was hired. Let's just hope for the next guy they don't go for another splash hire by getting a name HC who's currently bottom feeding on the way back down the food chain, or god forbid, a Kerry Coombs who isn't capable of coaching at this level beyond being a cheerleader..

Spot on as usual Jackie. Spot on.

(10-08-2016 04:40 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 04:39 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 04:36 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 04:31 PM)BCatWillie Wrote:  Our recruiting is on par with the. AAC. We have three 4 star QBs. Player development is lacking.
We're not going to get much better recruits in the AAC.

Moore was a 4 star recruit?

They all together average 4 stars Kiel a five, Moore a three and Trail a 4.

What service was Trail rated a four star?

Rivals

(10-08-2016 05:03 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I think "objectively" we have a number of problems... I'll start at the top and work down a little:
1) LACK OF LEADERSHIP!
Starting with the AD and percolating down to the HC and then down the line... We have no leadership. There is no call for improvement, there is nobody "manning up" and taking initiative to make it better. We know the HC is a "managerial" type of coach, but for God's sake!!! He can complain about "not having players" but HE'S THE ONE THAT RECRUITED THEM. He's the one who is supposed to develop them.

Look back to the high-points of UC football... Brian Kelly's famous "Next Man In!" and "Represent the C!" and even Butch Jones' "Hold the Rope!" We went to a BCS bowl game in a season where FIVE DIFFERENT QBs had to start games...was there whining about "I don't have the players" or "We're too young!" Or even in that terrible 2011 season; did we hear Butch whining about "The cupboard is bare..." when it was? Nope. Kelly coined the "Next man in" slogan and we kept going and Jones kept his mouth largely shut and we got through 2011.

We just don't have a leader...and I will not let Bohn off this. He's the AD, it's his job to make sure that other people are doing their jobs. And it isn't happening. And while I'd like to see a "High Character" kid rise up and take responsibility for rallying the players, Tuberville hasn't recruited "High Character Kids" at all...so there is nobody there to rally. Leadership starts at the top. When players don't see leadership above them, then they will not rise to the occasion.

2) Talent.
We just don't have it. Our recruiting classes have been 80+ and finished at best 6th in the conference. We have MAC talent. Those are the schools that are around us in the standings and the ones most of our recruits hold offers from. MAC and CUSA. So, really, should we be surprised when our teams finish in the 60-80 type range? Yes, Dantonio succeeded with classes ranked in the 80's, but he was an excellent evaluator of talent and also a developer of talent. The current HC is neither of these things.

3) Staff.
Our staff is, as many have said, "cobbled together" and not cohesive. Dantonio brought together a cohesive staff, Kelly brought most of his with him, and so did Jones. Some of us hoped that maybe Tuberville would recruit one of his old DC's (for example)...Chizik perhaps...but NOBODY seems to want to follow the guy. So we've been puttering with Assistants who were cast off from other programs, with different approaches. There isn't a "Tuberville" tree like there was with Kelly. Which wouldn't be so bad if Tuberville could develop assistants. But like with the players, Tuberville doesn't seem to be involved enough to evaluate or teach his assistants.

Maybe Tuberville is just laisse faire in his approach, but we NEED a different skill set right now.

A big problem with Bohn is most days he works from Colorado. He doesn't even live in this area. He has no stake in Cincinnati. He was hired to get us into the BIG 12.

I believe the CTT cannot recruit this area because of the recruits that he turned away when he took the job. Coach Dantonio built the program up with local talent.

1. Head coach sucks
2. His staff sucks
3. the team hates them


next question...

Ok, subjectively what is the problem?

(10-08-2016 05:07 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Problem with Tommy is that he only operates in the mode of an upper tier SEC coach, where you have the money to hire a top flight staff to run the nuts and bolts of the operation and the logo on your polo shirts brings in the recruits. That doesn't work here and that was my initial concern when I first heard he was hired. Let's just hope for the next guy they don't go for another splash hire by getting a name HC who's currently bottom feeding on the way back down the food chain.


That's exactly right, not to mention he's at the end of his career. You have to be very hands on at this type of program in all phases, or have a battle tested group of assistants. He is/has neither. That said, until they fix the qb situation, they could not run with Jim Brown in the backfield. Teams are loading up in the box on them(and will continue to), and the qb has to make them pay. Our guys are just not ready for it, and they do not have the run dimension from the qb to get outside so they get nowhere offensively.

(10-08-2016 09:08 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Ok, subjectively what is the problem?

This board and the fans.

(10-08-2016 09:32 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 09:08 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Ok, subjectively what is the problem?

This board and the fans.

why...because we expect a winner?

(10-08-2016 09:32 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 09:08 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Ok, subjectively what is the problem?

This board and the fans.

They were booing us.

(10-08-2016 09:32 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 09:32 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 09:08 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Ok, subjectively what is the problem?

This board and the fans.

why...because we expect a winner?

He's being sarcastic

(10-08-2016 09:33 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 09:32 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 09:08 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Ok, subjectively what is the problem?

This board and the fans.

They were booing us.