Wasn't sure where to put this, but here's as good as any:
A tweet from the Enquirer's Jason Williams:
@jwilliamscincy: I asked for Tubs & Cronin contracts back in April. UC provided MC's June 9. Said then TT's hadn't been "fully executed."
I don't really keep up with the MAC or CUSA schools where we have probably scoured in the past, but I would at least be intrigued by the coaches at N. Dakota St, N Iowa and Grand Valley St.
They are out of our zip code recruiting-wise, but those schools seem to pop up every year with upsets and great records.
Other than that, I've always liked the way W. Kentucky plays (Brohm).
I think the TT hire shows how important assistants are if the head coach doesn't take a defining lead role on either the offensive or defensive side of the ball. He looks detached or not engaged on the sideline, I guess looks could be deceiving... and something is amiss with recruiting.
(This post was last modified: 10-10-2016 02:55 PM by Topkat.)
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It's been requested three times since the spring (including today). Thx for asking. I'll let you know when I know. thx
(10-10-2016 01:54 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: Not sure where to put this because we have a number of threads right now going talking about our next step, but:
If you assume that Fleck, Brohm and Strong are out of the equation, what do you guys think of Bo Pelini? I bring that up because that guy C. Austin Cox is tweeting about him. Pelini averaged 9 wins a year at Nebraska. He struggled his first year at YSU but in his second year the Penguins have started out 4-1 (one loss to WVU but the game was closer than the 38-21 final score).
Pelini is likely persona-non-grata at a lot of institutions due to how his tenure ended at Nebraska (IIRC he publically insulted administrators and fans). He is making $213,000/year at Nebraska. We could easily top that. He would bring his brother Carl who has a very good history as a DC at big time schools (just keep him away from the white powder) along with some other strong assistants.
Pelini is an interesting name. His problem at Nebraska may really have been that it's really hard to win big at Nebraska these days. Too many desirable schools in better locations, especially when there isn't a great recruiting base around you. Then again, maybe he's just a mediocre coach and the Nebraska name is good enough to get you 9-4 seasons. I honestly have no idea on Pelini one way or the other.
Far better than what we have today. He is a competitive high energy guy. I cannot say that he fits the mold of our other previous coaches. He is probably over 50, and older coaches "now" leave a bad taste in my mouth. I like his candidacy better than any other listed coach like Fleck or Brohm. If he could do as well as the former Nebraska coach at Ou, than that would be cherry.
Pelini is 48, which is similar to what BK was when he was hired here (46). Brohm is 45. Neither is what I would call "an older coach".
Personally, I don't get the issue with "older" coaches. I am one of the older posters on this board and a short week for me is 80 hours. I am willing to bet that few of the youngsters around here could keep up with my workload.
(10-10-2016 02:49 PM)QSECOFR Wrote: Personally, I don't get the issue with "older" coaches. I am one of the older posters on this board and a short week for me is 80 hours. I am willing to bet that few of the youngsters around here could keep up with my workload.
The issue isn't the age -- it's the desire.
Agree to that. Nick Saban, Mark Dantonio, Art Briles, David Cutcliff, Les Miles are over 60. Guys like BK, Urban Meyer, Jim Harbaugh and Bobby Petrino are well into their 50s. Nobody would ever accuse any of those guys of not having desire.
(10-10-2016 01:54 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: Not sure where to put this because we have a number of threads right now going talking about our next step, but:
If you assume that Fleck, Brohm and Strong are out of the equation, what do you guys think of Bo Pelini? I bring that up because that guy C. Austin Cox is tweeting about him. Pelini averaged 9 wins a year at Nebraska. He struggled his first year at YSU but in his second year the Penguins have started out 4-1 (one loss to WVU but the game was closer than the 38-21 final score).
Pelini is likely persona-non-grata at a lot of institutions due to how his tenure ended at Nebraska (IIRC he publically insulted administrators and fans). He is making $213,000/year at Nebraska. We could easily top that. He would bring his brother Carl who has a very good history as a DC at big time schools (just keep him away from the white powder) along with some other strong assistants.
Pelini is an interesting name. His problem at Nebraska may really have been that it's really hard to win big at Nebraska these days. Too many desirable schools in better locations, especially when there isn't a great recruiting base around you. Then again, maybe he's just a mediocre coach and the Nebraska name is good enough to get you 9-4 seasons. I honestly have no idea on Pelini one way or the other.
(10-10-2016 02:49 PM)QSECOFR Wrote: Personally, I don't get the issue with "older" coaches. I am one of the older posters on this board and a short week for me is 80 hours. I am willing to bet that few of the youngsters around here could keep up with my workload.
The issue isn't the age -- it's the desire.
TT has jaded me severely on older coaches. I probably am giving many a bad rap.
I just hope this isn't a case that guys like Sheakly and the big big money donors aren't still infatuated with Tubs glad handing them and telling war stories they eat up.
I'm quickly heading towards 100% apathy. Didn't listen to the UConn game for the most part. Turned to WLW while doing yard work just to get the score. It was almost the end of the game and I just chuckled and said, "That figures...".
Here's my question. Is the Bearcat's football run over? Mentally, where I am is, "Well, that was fun while it lasted" and I'm looking for new ways to spend my Saturdays. Still love my school and still root for all of the athletic teams.
So, is the run over and what would it take to breathe new life into Football at UC?
(10-11-2016 06:51 AM)AeroCat Wrote: I'm quickly heading towards 100% apathy. Didn't listen to the UConn game for the most part. Turned to WLW while doing yard work just to get the score. It was almost the end of the game and I just chuckled and said, "That figures...".
Here's my question. Is the Bearcat's football run over? Mentally, where I am is, "Well, that was fun while it lasted" and I'm looking for new ways to spend my Saturdays. Still love my school and still root for all of the athletic teams.
So, is the run over and what would it take to breathe new life into Football at UC?
That was Katzowitz's question at the end of "Bearcats Rising,": how long can UC sustain the "run"?
It may indeed be over.
I think the Big XII thinks it is.
(This post was last modified: 10-11-2016 07:02 AM by BearcatJerry.)
The run is 100% reliant on making dynamic hires who can utilize the advantages of our school and facilities and then having an AD who is equipped and prepared to continue to make great hires every few years. Whit Babcock failed miserably in that regard in December 2012. Up to Mike Bohn to get the run back on track.
(10-11-2016 07:05 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: The run is 100% reliant on making dynamic hires who can utilize the advantages of our school and facilities and then having an AD who is equipped and prepared to continue to make great hires every few years. Whit Babcock failed miserably in that regard in December 2012. Up to Mike Bohn to get the run back on track.
Right, looking back the last thing we needed was a sustainment guy. We needed to hire another fast-burner looking to make his mark and move up like Kelly, Butch, Herman, etc.
I have zero confidence in Mike Bohn to make a bold move and get us back on track and I don't think Davenport is going to make waves as an interim prez. Would Ono have made a change? Not so sure he would've either. I wonder if they are worried about canning a coach with a potential Big12 invite.
I think that if they fired Tuberville and put out a statement about being dedicated to winning it would unite the fans and show the Big12 we won't tolerate undisciplined football teams. If they fired Tuberville, I'd attend every single home game this year and next no matter how bad the record is.
I feel like Tuberville's response to fan criticism is along the lines of, "Are you talking to me? Do you know who you're talking to?". It's been an incredulous response.
(10-11-2016 06:51 AM)AeroCat Wrote: I'm quickly heading towards 100% apathy. Didn't listen to the UConn game for the most part. Turned to WLW while doing yard work just to get the score. It was almost the end of the game and I just chuckled and said, "That figures...".
Here's my question. Is the Bearcat's football run over? Mentally, where I am is, "Well, that was fun while it lasted" and I'm looking for new ways to spend my Saturdays. Still love my school and still root for all of the athletic teams.
So, is the run over and what would it take to breathe new life into Football at UC?
This is where I am, minus the my school part.
I decided several years ago that while having a passion for something like sports is good, it should really only be used in my life for enjoyment. When it turns into frustration and puts me in a bad mood it needs to be dropped. I'm 30 years old and have rooted for nothing but losers my entire life, and I simply won't do it in the future. I only watched three Reds games this entire year, that was a big step for me. College football to me was always so ridiculous to me with human rankings, no playoffs and a bunch of worthless bowl games that I never paid any attention to it. But when UC began to rise I jumped on that bandwagon ASAP, even had season tickets for a few years. But I haven't watched a single second of the last three games and I don't see that changing. It sucks to lose out on good entertainment, but if the team and those who run it don't seem to care then there is no reason for me to invest emotionally or financially into it. Again, it's not my alma mater, so I suppose there is a different connection for me, but I would think if UC truly had the ambition to get into the P5 and become nationally relevant they need much more fan support from non graduates like myself.
(10-11-2016 06:51 AM)AeroCat Wrote: I'm quickly heading towards 100% apathy. Didn't listen to the UConn game for the most part. Turned to WLW while doing yard work just to get the score. It was almost the end of the game and I just chuckled and said, "That figures...".
Here's my question. Is the Bearcat's football run over? Mentally, where I am is, "Well, that was fun while it lasted" and I'm looking for new ways to spend my Saturdays. Still love my school and still root for all of the athletic teams.
So, is the run over and what would it take to breathe new life into Football at UC?
New life would be breathed in with canning the current regime and bringing in the right football hire.
This guy right here... in addition to what he has done on the grid-iron he has rallied the student body and alums of his school. He's a cross of Kerry Coombs and BK. He's passed out pizzas to students, challenged players to races and beaten them one-on-one in coverage, supported Olympic programs at WMU... you name it. Watch this video-- who would not want to play for this guy
(This post was last modified: 10-11-2016 08:07 AM by CliftonAve.)
(10-11-2016 06:51 AM)AeroCat Wrote: I'm quickly heading towards 100% apathy. Didn't listen to the UConn game for the most part. Turned to WLW while doing yard work just to get the score. It was almost the end of the game and I just chuckled and said, "That figures...".
Here's my question. Is the Bearcat's football run over? Mentally, where I am is, "Well, that was fun while it lasted" and I'm looking for new ways to spend my Saturdays. Still love my school and still root for all of the athletic teams.
So, is the run over and what would it take to breathe new life into Football at UC?
This is where I am, minus the my school part.
I decided several years ago that while having a passion for something like sports is good, it should really only be used in my life for enjoyment. When it turns into frustration and puts me in a bad mood it needs to be dropped. I'm 30 years old and have rooted for nothing but losers my entire life, and I simply won't do it in the future. I only watched three Reds games this entire year, that was a big step for me. College football to me was always so ridiculous to me with human rankings, no playoffs and a bunch of worthless bowl games that I never paid any attention to it. But when UC began to rise I jumped on that bandwagon ASAP, even had season tickets for a few years. But I haven't watched a single second of the last three games and I don't see that changing. It sucks to lose out on good entertainment, but if the team and those who run it don't seem to care then there is no reason for me to invest emotionally or financially into it. Again, it's not my alma mater, so I suppose there is a different connection for me, but I would think if UC truly had the ambition to get into the P5 and become nationally relevant they need much more fan support from non graduates like myself.
Maybe you should not take it so seriously. Winning is fun but I view the game day experience as entertainment. If we win it makes it better. If we lose, we'll tailgate and have fun with our friends at the next home game.
We usually make at least one road trip a year and go to as many bowl games as our schedule allows. All very enjoyable.
I view the game day entertainment as a waste of time and money that I could be spending more effectively if the program sucks.
We've peeked behind the curtain the last decade. No putting the toothpaste back in the tube for me. We become the Minter Bearcats again I'm going to be wearing Roll Tide shirts.
(This post was last modified: 10-11-2016 08:15 AM by rath v2.0.)
(10-11-2016 06:51 AM)AeroCat Wrote: I'm quickly heading towards 100% apathy. Didn't listen to the UConn game for the most part. Turned to WLW while doing yard work just to get the score. It was almost the end of the game and I just chuckled and said, "That figures...".
Here's my question. Is the Bearcat's football run over? Mentally, where I am is, "Well, that was fun while it lasted" and I'm looking for new ways to spend my Saturdays. Still love my school and still root for all of the athletic teams.
So, is the run over and what would it take to breathe new life into Football at UC?
New life would be breathed in with canning the current regime and bringing in the right football hire.
This guy right here... in addition to what he has done on the grid-iron he has rallied the student body and alums of his school. He's a cross of Kerry Coombs and BK. He's passed out pizzas to students, challenged players to races and beaten them one-on-one in coverage, supported Olympic programs at WMU... you name it. Watch this video-- who would not want to play for this guy
Tubs is the complete opposite of this and the on field product has proved likewise.
Tommy Tuberville (39), Cincinnati. Tubs has had a fine career, but this is far from his finest work. The Bearcats are 0-3 in the American Athletic Conference, not really sending a commanding signal to the waffling Big 12 that they are a must-add candidate if the league expands. Worse, all three of those losses are by double digits, including a 20-9 loss at Connecticut on Saturday in which Cincinnati could have led by about three touchdowns in the first half.
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