(10-06-2016 05:44 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Just heard LSU has rejected Florida's request to move the game to November 19


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Not a surprise. LSU isn't going to walk away from 4-5 million in ticket revenue, plus pay USA 1.5 million to not play a game AND play @Ark @UF in consecutive Saturdays, and then go play @TAMU 5 days later.

The sad thing is that simply not playing a hard game is exactly what UF wanted to do.

(10-06-2016 04:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  You guys are looking at this from everyone's point of view except Florida's. But purely from their point of view they played this right.

The Gators could easily be in the driver's seat in the SEC East if the Vols lose at A&M and then to Bama. The last thing the Gators want is to have a home game vs. LSU taken away from them and moved to Baton Rouge (though obviously LSU would be delighted by that).

If you were in the Gators' shoes, your position would be, "Our home game vs. LSU is played in Gainesville, period. If for some reason it can't be played in Gainesville, don't play it at all."

One other thing: To make the SEC title game, Florida needs to win out and for Tennessee to lose twice. Tennessee has games versus TAMU and Alabama they very well could lose. On the other hand, Florida has two loseable SEC games, LSU and Georgia. Getting one of those off the schedule is a nice bonus for them.

But, they do lose a lot of money, which could have been avoided had they moved a few days ago to another Florida venue.

Florida and Georgia have a common bye, October 22. Move the Florida-Georgia game to then, and then move Florida-LSU to October 29. The best part: the Jacksonville Jaguars have a road game on Thursday, October 27, and therefore, are off that weekend.

(10-06-2016 07:08 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Florida and Georgia have a common bye, October 22. Move the Florida-Georgia game to then, and then move Florida-LSU to October 29. The best part: the Jacksonville Jaguars have a road game on Thursday, October 27, and therefore, are off that weekend.

Uh...neither UF nor LSU have contacted USA AD Joel Erdmann.

I think we have an answer as to LSU's interest in moving/cancelling the game.

And UF's interest in playing LSU, period.

Georgia-South Carolina moved back a day to Sunday. Kickoff slated for 2:30 EST for SEC Network.

I don't see why Florida should care about South Alabama or Presbyterian.

Their obligation is to themselves and their objectives.

(10-06-2016 08:34 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I don't see why Florida should care about South Alabama or Presbyterian.

Their obligation is to themselves and their objectives.

Right. Florida is looking out for their own interests, and part of that is, this is our home game, so when you leave it up to them, they say: Nope, not gonna play someplace else. And they should have the right to play it in Gainesville, but not to wait until later to find a new date. The SEC commissioner should have told the teams, you're playing on Monday night in Gainesville, like it or not. If they need until Tuesday to clean up, make it Tuesday. Too bad if both coaches don't like having a short week before the next game.

South Carolina Georgia has been delayed to 2:30 Sunday.

Of course Columbia is still supposed to be getting tropical rains all day Sunday. Travel into Columbia is likely to be treacherous from the north and impossible from the south.

SEC, South Carolina and Florida are all looking bad.

This is a 140 mph hurricane. If it stays that way at landfall, it will be have the highest recorded winds of any hurricane ever hitting the US.

(10-06-2016 08:34 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I don't see why Florida should care about South Alabama or Presbyterian.

Their obligation is to themselves and their objectives.

They don't seem to care about their fans or residents of Florida either.

(10-06-2016 08:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  South Carolina Georgia has been delayed to 2:30 Sunday.

Of course Columbia is still supposed to be getting tropical rains all day Sunday. Travel into Columbia is likely to be treacherous from the north and impossible from the south.

So again, why didn't the commissioner step in? Maybe not the best idea to let the home team unilaterally reschedule.

(10-06-2016 09:05 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 08:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  South Carolina Georgia has been delayed to 2:30 Sunday.

Of course Columbia is still supposed to be getting tropical rains all day Sunday. Travel into Columbia is likely to be treacherous from the north and impossible from the south.

So again, why didn't the commissioner step in? Maybe not the best idea to let the home team unilaterally reschedule.

Because he screwed up and showed weak leadership.

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(10-06-2016 06:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 05:44 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Just heard LSU has rejected Florida's request to move the game to November 19


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Not a surprise. LSU isn't going to walk away from 4-5 million in ticket revenue, plus pay USA 1.5 million to not play a game AND play @Ark @UF in consecutive Saturdays, and then go play @TAMU 5 days later.

The sad thing is that simply not playing a hard game is exactly what UF wanted to do.

Exactly. At this point they just have to worry about Arkansas now, who will probably slap the taste out of Florida's mouth.

"The participants of the game are determined each year during the eight-game regular-season conference schedule as the teams with the best overall SEC winning percentage in each division

SEC requirement to go to Atlanta, I think both are disqualified if I'm reading this correctly, neither will play an eight game schedule.

(10-06-2016 07:32 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 07:08 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Florida and Georgia have a common bye, October 22. Move the Florida-Georgia game to then, and then move Florida-LSU to October 29. The best part: the Jacksonville Jaguars have a road game on Thursday, October 27, and therefore, are off that weekend.

Uh...neither UF nor LSU have contacted USA AD Joel Erdmann.

I think we have an answer as to LSU's interest in moving/cancelling the game.

And UF's interest in playing LSU, period.

The 29th is LSU's bye week. But I highly doubt LSU wants to play #14 Ole Miss, #18 Florida, #1 Alabama, and then #14 Arkansas back to back to back to back. Although LSU isn't one to back down from something like that.

(10-07-2016 09:00 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 07:32 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 07:08 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Florida and Georgia have a common bye, October 22. Move the Florida-Georgia game to then, and then move Florida-LSU to October 29. The best part: the Jacksonville Jaguars have a road game on Thursday, October 27, and therefore, are off that weekend.

Uh...neither UF nor LSU have contacted USA AD Joel Erdmann.

I think we have an answer as to LSU's interest in moving/cancelling the game.

And UF's interest in playing LSU, period.

The 29th is LSU's bye week. But I highly doubt LSU wants to play #14 Ole Miss, #18 Florida, #1 Alabama, and then #14 Arkansas back to back to back to back. Although LSU isn't one to back down from something like that.

The World's largest cocktail party is NOT being moved from the 29th.

(10-07-2016 09:00 AM)chidave Wrote:  "The participants of the game are determined each year during the eight-game regular-season conference schedule as the teams with the best overall SEC winning percentage in each division

SEC requirement to go to Atlanta, I think both are disqualified if I'm reading this correctly, neither will play an eight game schedule.

They aren't disqualified by not playing an 8-game schedule, but they are disadvantaged when compared to a team with the same number of losses but more wins.

E.g., LSU's chances of making it to ATL are basically nil now, because even if they win out and beat Alabama (unlikely, but if), at 6-1 in the SEC they would still lose out to a 7-1 Alabama, a very bitter pill to swallow dished up by the SEC headquarters.

But Florida's chances are actually arguably improved. Since they lost to UT, they need UT to lose two games anyway whether they beat LSU or not, so having one fewer win won't matter in that regard.

What UF cannot afford is another loss, and since the LSU game was a potential loss, it benefits them to avoid playing that game.

That is what pisses LSU folks off so much about this.

(10-07-2016 09:00 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 07:32 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 07:08 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Florida and Georgia have a common bye, October 22. Move the Florida-Georgia game to then, and then move Florida-LSU to October 29. The best part: the Jacksonville Jaguars have a road game on Thursday, October 27, and therefore, are off that weekend.

Uh...neither UF nor LSU have contacted USA AD Joel Erdmann.

I think we have an answer as to LSU's interest in moving/cancelling the game.

And UF's interest in playing LSU, period.

The 29th is LSU's bye week. But I highly doubt LSU wants to play #14 Ole Miss, #18 Florida, #1 Alabama, and then #14 Arkansas back to back to back to back. Although LSU isn't one to back down from something like that.

But ... it's better to play that game and thus have a chance to win the SEC West than not play it and have no shot.

Basically, if UF - LSU doesn't get played, then LSU needs Alabama to lose two SEC games, and that simply isn't happening.

If you don't complete the eight game schedule, how can you have the best winning percentage during it? Lawsuits will be flying like you've never seen if for example a 6-1 Florida team goes ahead of a 6-2 UT team. Or should Tennessee cancel the Bama game? Or their last game of the year if they're 6-1 at that point? Pandora's Box is open if you can play incomplete schedules and be in Atlanta.

(10-07-2016 09:41 AM)chidave Wrote:  If you don't complete the eight game schedule, how can you have the best winning percentage during it? Lawsuits will be flying like you've never seen if for example a 6-1 Florida team goes ahead of a 6-2 UT team. Or should Tennessee cancel the Bama game? Or their last game of the year if they're 6-1 at that point? Pandora's Box is open if you can play incomplete schedules and be in Atlanta.

You can have the best winning percentage by ... just doing the math. E.g., 6-1 is .857.

You can't disqualify teams for not playing the full schedule if the reason for the missed game is valid. Sadly, a hurricane is a valid reason, as the SEC itself canceled the game. It would be absurd for the SEC to cancel a game, then tell the teams involved that thanks to the canceled game, they can't make the championship.

While the situation you describe would be bad, at least UT lost more games than UF. Even worse would be 7-1 Alabama going over 6-1 LSU.

Just playing devils advocate though, do you use (8) games when calculating the winning percentage. It is wins correct? "Eight game schedule" is the specific language used, if they didn't play then they didn't win. Now things could work out and this not be an issue, but the potential is there for this to be the biggest cluster the SEC has seen in years if either of the above scenarios comes to fruition. The participants in the SEC championship game will be decided in the courtroom, not on the field. If I was Tennessee or LSU, I certainly wouldn't concede the spot in either of those instances, especially when both of them would have had wins over the team that got their spot due to this.