(10-06-2016 03:33 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 02:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Florida's AD has also managed to drag South Alabama into his self made mess.

People are now suggesting that LSU cancel the USA game and UF cancel the Presbyterian game in November so they can make up the game on that date.

That would really suck for us. The suggestion that we just pocket the money and play Presbyterian that weekend is risible because a win versus the Blue Hose wouldn't count towards Bowl eligibility. Sure, we're not expected to beat LSU, but this year....who knows...

Florida's AD is more worried about his football team than the state he purports to represent. Even if Gainesville isn't impacted, first responders will need to be taken out of rescue/recovery efforts to handle the game. And there the fact that the hotel rooms in Gainesville are probably better served being used by evacuees, rather than football teams/fans.

This game could have been played in Mobile. It could have been played in Tampa. It could have been played in Tallahassee. Now, with UF waiting until 5pm CDT to make a decision, I doubt they could move the game. Maybe to Sunday.

If UF effectively cancels the LSU-USA game, it won't be a 'hurricane move', but rather a "Florida AD wouldn't move in a timely manner" move.

I have a solution...

This is Ole Miss's bye week. October 22nd, the date LSU plays Ole Miss, is Florida's bye week...

Why not just let LSU play Ole Miss this weekend and then play Florida on the 22nd. Then nobody skips a beat and Florida has this week off, Ole Miss has the 22nd off, and LSU has the 29th off, and all games still get played while only LSU and UF make theirs up.

Great idea and maybe it happens. The one issue I would have is Ole Miss probably practices differently for a bye week than for a game week and this would put them at a disadvantage.

(10-06-2016 03:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And should LSU pay the (probably significant) cost to buy out USA's contract? So no only would they lose a home game (and all the revenue from that game), but they'll have to pay USA a million and change to cancel. AND all of that because the UF AD wouldn't change the venue.

Also worth noting. UF's payment to Presbyterian would probably be half that LSU will have to pay USA.

Basically, if they do the USA-LSU and UF-Blue Hose cancellation thing, LSU will take a far bigger hit. Call it 1.2 million to USA and then more than 2.5 million in lost ticket revenue for LSU. Remember, it would be LSU, as well as UF, that loses a home game in this scenario

Yes, the only way I can see LSU canceling USA is if they are made whole, or close to it, financially, either by the SEC or by some kind of gate-splitting arrangement with UF. No way will LSU just lose millions of dollars giving up a home game because UF screwed the pooch on rescheduling this game.

(10-06-2016 03:34 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 03:29 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  NCAA should deny any results from the LSU-Florida game if played on November 19th

Actually, I'm good with the NCAA simply granting a waiver for a potential USA-Presbyterian game on Nov. 19 to count (along with USA's win over Nicholls) as wins towards bowl eligibility. Plus LSU paying us to not play the game. And UF paying Presbyterian to play us and buy out their contract.

NCAA definitely should offer a waiver and LSU should agree to a future date in a future season.

However I do understand the home game value loss to LSU if it happens.

(10-06-2016 03:39 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 03:29 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  NCAA should deny any results from the LSU-Florida game if played on November 19th

This ain't LSU's fault. They tried to have the game played in a neutral location or in Baton Rouge. Been trying since the hurricane became a threat. This is all on Florida.

they don't have to cancel the USA game. LSU could insist on an alternative.

(10-06-2016 03:53 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 03:33 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 02:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Florida's AD has also managed to drag South Alabama into his self made mess.

People are now suggesting that LSU cancel the USA game and UF cancel the Presbyterian game in November so they can make up the game on that date.

That would really suck for us. The suggestion that we just pocket the money and play Presbyterian that weekend is risible because a win versus the Blue Hose wouldn't count towards Bowl eligibility. Sure, we're not expected to beat LSU, but this year....who knows...

Florida's AD is more worried about his football team than the state he purports to represent. Even if Gainesville isn't impacted, first responders will need to be taken out of rescue/recovery efforts to handle the game. And there the fact that the hotel rooms in Gainesville are probably better served being used by evacuees, rather than football teams/fans.

This game could have been played in Mobile. It could have been played in Tampa. It could have been played in Tallahassee. Now, with UF waiting until 5pm CDT to make a decision, I doubt they could move the game. Maybe to Sunday.

If UF effectively cancels the LSU-USA game, it won't be a 'hurricane move', but rather a "Florida AD wouldn't move in a timely manner" move.

I have a solution...

This is Ole Miss's bye week. October 22nd, the date LSU plays Ole Miss, is Florida's bye week...

Why not just let LSU play Ole Miss this weekend and then play Florida on the 22nd. Then nobody skips a beat and Florida has this week off, Ole Miss has the 22nd off, and LSU has the 29th off, and all games still get played while only LSU and UF make theirs up.

Great idea and maybe it happens. The one issue I would have is Ole Miss probably practices differently for a bye week than for a game week and this would put them at a disadvantage.

That would be the kind of solution that could happen if UF's AD didn't wait until Thursday to try to sort it out.

(10-06-2016 03:53 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 03:33 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 02:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Florida's AD has also managed to drag South Alabama into his self made mess.

People are now suggesting that LSU cancel the USA game and UF cancel the Presbyterian game in November so they can make up the game on that date.

That would really suck for us. The suggestion that we just pocket the money and play Presbyterian that weekend is risible because a win versus the Blue Hose wouldn't count towards Bowl eligibility. Sure, we're not expected to beat LSU, but this year....who knows...

Florida's AD is more worried about his football team than the state he purports to represent. Even if Gainesville isn't impacted, first responders will need to be taken out of rescue/recovery efforts to handle the game. And there the fact that the hotel rooms in Gainesville are probably better served being used by evacuees, rather than football teams/fans.

This game could have been played in Mobile. It could have been played in Tampa. It could have been played in Tallahassee. Now, with UF waiting until 5pm CDT to make a decision, I doubt they could move the game. Maybe to Sunday.

If UF effectively cancels the LSU-USA game, it won't be a 'hurricane move', but rather a "Florida AD wouldn't move in a timely manner" move.

I have a solution...

This is Ole Miss's bye week. October 22nd, the date LSU plays Ole Miss, is Florida's bye week...

Why not just let LSU play Ole Miss this weekend and then play Florida on the 22nd. Then nobody skips a beat and Florida has this week off, Ole Miss has the 22nd off, and LSU has the 29th off, and all games still get played while only LSU and UF make theirs up.

Great idea and maybe it happens. The one issue I would have is Ole Miss probably practices differently for a bye week than for a game week and this would put them at a disadvantage.

There's no way this can happen now. You can't expect Ole Miss to just up and be ready to play a game less than two days from now when their entire preparation has been for a bye week. Plus, you couldn't get either the LSU or Ole Miss venues ready in time anyway.

Again, had UF made a decision Monday or Tuesday, it might have worked. But not now.

Weird how two programs affected profoundly by Hurricane Katrina are in Florida with their games being affected by potentially the strongest landfalling hurricane in the U.S. since Katrina -- and possibly even stronger.

(10-06-2016 04:05 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Weird how two programs affected profoundly by Hurricane Katrina are in Florida with their games being affected by potentially the strongest landfalling hurricane in the U.S. since Katrina -- and possibly even stronger.

Yes, trouble just follows us Louisianans around.

You guys are looking at this from everyone's point of view except Florida's. But purely from their point of view they played this right.

The Gators could easily be in the driver's seat in the SEC East if the Vols lose at A&M and then to Bama. The last thing the Gators want is to have a home game vs. LSU taken away from them and moved to Baton Rouge (though obviously LSU would be delighted by that).

If you were in the Gators' shoes, your position would be, "Our home game vs. LSU is played in Gainesville, period. If for some reason it can't be played in Gainesville, don't play it at all."

(10-06-2016 03:45 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 03:42 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 03:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yep, hate to say it, but the UCF and Tulane officials made laughingstocks of Florida and the SEC with how smoothly and efficiently they handled their game.

Now, because of the delay, LSU - UF has been canceled, which could have ramifications for divisional titles. Totally unnecessary.

Effing ridiculous.

Imagine if LSU and Alabama each end up with one SEC loss, which means LSU beat Alabama head to head ... but the SEC says Alabama is the SEC West champ because LSU played one less SEC game - a game that the SEC forced LSU to cancel?

That worst part is that that sounds exactly like something they'd do to make sure Alabama went to the CCG.

(10-06-2016 03:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 02:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Florida's AD has also managed to drag South Alabama into his self made mess.

People are now suggesting that LSU cancel the USA game and UF cancel the Presbyterian game in November so they can make up the game on that date.

That would really suck for us. The suggestion that we just pocket the money and play Presbyterian that weekend is risible because a win versus the Blue Hose wouldn't count towards Bowl eligibility. Sure, we're not expected to beat LSU, but this year....who knows...

Florida's AD is more worried about his football team than the state he purports to represent. Even if Gainesville isn't impacted, first responders will need to be taken out of rescue/recovery efforts to handle the game. And there the fact that the hotel rooms in Gainesville are probably better served being used by evacuees, rather than football teams/fans.

This game could have been played in Mobile. It could have been played in Tampa. It could have been played in Tallahassee. Now, with UF waiting until 5pm CDT to make a decision, I doubt they could move the game. Maybe to Sunday.

If UF effectively cancels the LSU-USA game, it won't be a 'hurricane move', but rather a "Florida AD wouldn't move in a timely manner" move.

Be interesting to see what the penalties for a cancellation during the season would be. Think it would be very big.

The schools might be able to leverage a standard boilerplate force majeure clause assuming that it's in the contract (which provides that there's no liability to not perform the contract if something outside of the parties' reasonable control occurs). In fact, a hurricane is an oft-cited example of a force majeure situation (e.g. "our IT consultants aren't able to fly into Florida to fulfill a services contract this week, but we're not liable because a hurricane is a force majeure situation"). Now, this would be an easy argument the game itself is cancelled *because* of the hurricane. The legal grey area is whether you can cancel the game because you had to move the hurricane-cancelled game to that date. I'm not how that would turn out - the schools are a bit stuck if that's really the only date possible since they have contractual obligations with the SEC to fulfill, too. They might be breaching a contract somewhere no matter which option they choose, so it's a matter of choosing the option that hurts the least (and generally speaking, you care a heck of a lot more about appeasing your conference than you do about a one-time non-conference opponent).

(10-06-2016 03:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And should LSU pay the (probably significant) cost to buy out USA's contract? So not only would they lose a home game (and all the revenue from that game), but they'll have to pay USA a million and change to cancel. AND all of that because the UF AD wouldn't change the venue.

Also worth noting. UF's payment to Presbyterian would probably be half that LSU will have to pay USA.

Basically, if they do the USA-LSU and UF-Blue Hose cancellation thing, LSU will take a far bigger hit. Call it 1.2 million to USA and then more than 2.5 million in lost ticket revenue for LSU. Remember, it would be LSU, as well as UF, that loses a home game in this scenario

Florida really screwed a lot of people over this little fit.

(10-06-2016 03:53 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 03:33 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  I have a solution...

This is Ole Miss's bye week. October 22nd, the date LSU plays Ole Miss, is Florida's bye week...

Why not just let LSU play Ole Miss this weekend and then play Florida on the 22nd. Then nobody skips a beat and Florida has this week off, Ole Miss has the 22nd off, and LSU has the 29th off, and all games still get played while only LSU and UF make theirs up.

Great idea and maybe it happens. The one issue I would have is Ole Miss probably practices differently for a bye week than for a game week and this would put them at a disadvantage.

I thought about that after I made this post out of anger, anxiousness, and panic. This week has been dragging because I've been excited to watch LSU again. Had we known this Sunday, it could have probably gone down that way.

(10-06-2016 03:54 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 03:39 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 03:29 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  NCAA should deny any results from the LSU-Florida game if played on November 19th

This ain't LSU's fault. They tried to have the game played in a neutral location or in Baton Rouge. Been trying since the hurricane became a threat. This is all on Florida.

they don't have to cancel the USA game. LSU could insist on an alternative.

I fully agree. I've been all over LSU news for two days and the UF AD kept pushing the press conference time back, then the SEC stepped in so I'm wondering if they talked about these implications of losing yet another game entirely, and if they came up with a plan before announcing the cancellation of the game this weekend.

(10-06-2016 04:24 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 03:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-06-2016 02:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Florida's AD has also managed to drag South Alabama into his self made mess.

People are now suggesting that LSU cancel the USA game and UF cancel the Presbyterian game in November so they can make up the game on that date.

That would really suck for us. The suggestion that we just pocket the money and play Presbyterian that weekend is risible because a win versus the Blue Hose wouldn't count towards Bowl eligibility. Sure, we're not expected to beat LSU, but this year....who knows...

Florida's AD is more worried about his football team than the state he purports to represent. Even if Gainesville isn't impacted, first responders will need to be taken out of rescue/recovery efforts to handle the game. And there the fact that the hotel rooms in Gainesville are probably better served being used by evacuees, rather than football teams/fans.

This game could have been played in Mobile. It could have been played in Tampa. It could have been played in Tallahassee. Now, with UF waiting until 5pm CDT to make a decision, I doubt they could move the game. Maybe to Sunday.

If UF effectively cancels the LSU-USA game, it won't be a 'hurricane move', but rather a "Florida AD wouldn't move in a timely manner" move.

Be interesting to see what the penalties for a cancellation during the season would be. Think it would be very big.

The schools might be able to leverage a standard boilerplate force majeure clause assuming that it's in the contract (which provides that there's no liability to not perform the contract if something outside of the parties' reasonable control occurs). In fact, a hurricane is an oft-cited example of a force majeure situation (e.g. "our IT consultants aren't able to fly into Florida to fulfill a services contract this week, but we're not liable because a hurricane is a force majeure situation"). Now, this would be an easy argument the game itself is cancelled *because* of the hurricane. The legal grey area is whether you can cancel the game because you had to move the hurricane-cancelled game to that date. I'm not how that would turn out - the schools are a bit stuck if that's really the only date possible since they have contractual obligations with the SEC to fulfill, too. They might be breaching a contract somewhere no matter which option they choose, so it's a matter of choosing the option that hurts the least (and generally speaking, you care a heck of a lot more about appeasing your conference than you do about a one-time non-conference opponent).

This isn't a force majure event for USA. It would be an elective buyout on LSU's part. USA has no contractual obligation to the SEC or to UF.

As crazy as it sounds, Florida should have moved the game to Tallahassee. I guess the other option would be to play it on Monday 10/10.


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There are major logistics involved in these games...in preparing for them, in playing them, and in the aftermath.

You don't "just"...
Switch a schedule around so that two teams that weren't supposed to play suddenly play a couple of days later. (ie. "They should just have LSU play USA this week.)
Or
Switch the venue at the last moment. (ie. "They just should have moved the game to Tallahasee, NOLA, etc...)

It's just not that easy.

Just heard LSU has rejected Florida's request to move the game to November 19


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(10-06-2016 05:44 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Just heard LSU has rejected Florida's request to move the game to November 19


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Heard from?

(10-06-2016 05:43 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  There are major logistics involved in these games...in preparing for them, in playing them, and in the aftermath.

You don't "just"...
Switch a schedule around so that two teams that weren't supposed to play suddenly play a couple of days later. (ie. "They should just have LSU play USA this week.)
Or
Switch the venue at the last moment. (ie. "They just should have moved the game to Tallahasee, NOLA, etc...)

It's just not that easy.

It's Thursday - a little late, but doable. Other games have been moved - they could have done it.

Back in 2003, the decision to move the San Diego MNF game from San Diego to Arizona (because of wildfires) was not made until the day before, and it was pulled off without a hitch.