(05-28-2016 12:56 PM)JRsec Wrote: (05-28-2016 09:33 AM)ken d Wrote: (05-28-2016 08:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (05-28-2016 08:24 AM)Maize Wrote: (05-28-2016 07:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote: I gotta side with "Rabbit" here. In their drive to be a major athletic power, UofL has shown itself to be willing to get into the muck with low-life coaches and stoop to scum activities like sex parties for recruits.
But still, that in no way shape or form is equivalent to Baylor covering up rapes. Or covering up murder, like they did with basketball 10+ years ago. It just isn't in the same league.
What we did was terrible-(Louisville) and I'm one of the Louisville ppl that would not shed a tear if Pitino was gone...but what happened at Baylor-(This Century) is mind blowing...I would put what happened at Baylor even worse than what happened at Penn State.
It's definitely a close call. Child rape is hard to trump, though.
Beyond that, looking at these situations, and throwing Ole Miss in there too, there does seem to be a common theme: When a school that historically hasn't won much suddenly rises to BCS-bowl winning level, you gotta wonder about how it happened.
Down here in the deep southwest part of the SEC, there was plenty of buzz from LSU and Alabama people the last few years stunned that they were suddenly losing some 4 and 5 star recruits to Ole Miss. That just never happened, and then it started happening. There would be woofing between LSU and Alabama about which one some star recruit was going to pick, and then on selection day he'd put on an Ole Miss hat, and then both the Tide fans and Tigers fans would look at each other like "WTF"?
I seriously doubt there are many football fans - including Ole Miss fans - who didn't assume that the Rebels recruiting success was accomplished without some major cheating. And, despite the large number of examples cited in the Notice of Allegations, I think most of those fans would likely agree that the NCAA didn't find the mother lode of violations.
But when you come down to it, I'm sure that many football fans not in SEC territory also assume that Ole Miss got those recruits by outbidding their SEC competitors. Whatever they did, it must have been pretty over the top for their fellow SEC schools to blow the whistle on them.
Baylor's situation may be different. It's possible that they got their edge, not by offering major illegal inducements, but simply by taking players whose character would keep them out of most B12 competitors. And few fans would accuse the Big 12 (or any FBS conference) of stacking their rosters with choir boys.
Total B.S. Bullet. Ole Miss was nabbed because their moron recruits posted their inducements on line. I don't need a Longhorn fan feigning their integrity and the superiority of the morality of the Big 12 after they were up to their eyeballs in turning in the SMU program for providing hookers and coeds for inducements for players in the old SWC or to tell us that Baylor's sudden rise was any cleaner's than Ole Miss's. The SEC has always dealt with payola, but never the level of scum and corruption illustrated first by SMU and now Baylor. Louisville's basketball program is fair game. Petrino is a douche but it's infidelity with an of age person and that is not the same as ignoring rape, covering up rape, or as awful as what happened at SMU in the 80's.
The reality is that all major sports programs have some severe issues. But, not all have institutional cover for them. SMU did, Baylor did, North Carolina does, but I'm not sure the case against Louisville's basketball issues go above the head coach or perhaps the A.D.
Just stop your crusade to spin the Big 12. It's totally indefensible at this point with regard to Baylor. And listening to you pursue this just lowers my high opinion of you.
You're the one who is defensive and full of BS JR.
#1 Its not my post you are responding too!
#2 Cam Newton's Dads church sure found a lot of money after he shopped Cam around. And it didn't come from Mississippi St.
#3 Auburn keeps getting QBs who were kicked out of other SEC schools.
#4 You know good and well how high Auburn is on the all-time major violations list. I believe they are tied with SMU, just behind #1 Arizona St.
#5 My own UK got caught sending money by Emery Air Freight (although Sutton still claims it was a setup).
As for Louisville, its the prostitutes that is the big issue, along with hiring someone nobody else would touch. As for Petrino, its all the stuff in addition to the cheating.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...l-timeline
"It's later discovered that his passenger on the bike was a 25-year-old former Arkansas volleyball player and current football team assistant with whom he was having an affair. He'd hired her (possibly illegally) over several far more qualified candidates.
Petrino attempts to hide the assistant's presence at the crash, asking a witness not to call 911. Arkansas eventually releases a statement saying Petrino was alone in the crash."
So he effectively put his mistress on the Arkansas payroll and lied about the accident. That goes far beyond Pitino's case, which is more just the embarrassment.
Several Louisville fans are just getting on their high horse here and need a dose of reality as to what their school did and has done.
As for Baylor, I'm not defending Briles. But I have yet to hear of the police department or the administration beyond the athletic department covering things up and discouraging victims from pressing charges. With Penn St. with Sandusky and Montana and FSU with their rape scandals, it did go up to the top and did involve the police departments or officials of the department.
Baylor has long taken academic risks. It appears Briles took character risks and then made allowances even after they arrived.