(05-28-2016 07:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 04:26 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(05-27-2016 10:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-27-2016 06:37 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Louisville may have a few dirt-bag coaches, but to compare Louisville to Penn State/Baylor is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. Shame on all those doing so...

Well Louisville did pay the women to have sex with recruits instead of having a few individual players rape women. So it was organized by the coaches and voluntary. And included illegal acts by coaches, which it isn't certain Baylor's coaches did anything illegal, just unethical.

You're right. Baylor's was callous disregard. Louisville's was intentional and worse than Baylor.

Louisville was intentional and worse than Baylor WHERE PEOPLE WERE BEING RAPED, AND IT WAS BEING COVERED UP TO PROTECT THE FOOTBALL TEAM.

Ok, that's the absolute stupidest ******* post on the entire message board right there. CLEARLY you're a troll and a god damned moron. Welcome to the ignore list.

The trolls are the AAC fans and the spurned UL fans.

Briles is a scumbag. So is Petrino. No other major school would touch Petrino despite what a good fb coach he was.

I gotta side with "Rabbit" here. In their drive to be a major athletic power, UofL has shown itself to be willing to get into the muck with low-life coaches and stoop to scum activities like sex parties for recruits.

But still, that in no way shape or form is equivalent to Baylor covering up rapes. Or covering up murder, like they did with basketball 10+ years ago. It just isn't in the same league.

(05-28-2016 07:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 07:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 04:26 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(05-27-2016 10:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-27-2016 06:37 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Louisville may have a few dirt-bag coaches, but to compare Louisville to Penn State/Baylor is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. Shame on all those doing so...

Well Louisville did pay the women to have sex with recruits instead of having a few individual players rape women. So it was organized by the coaches and voluntary. And included illegal acts by coaches, which it isn't certain Baylor's coaches did anything illegal, just unethical.

You're right. Baylor's was callous disregard. Louisville's was intentional and worse than Baylor.

Louisville was intentional and worse than Baylor WHERE PEOPLE WERE BEING RAPED, AND IT WAS BEING COVERED UP TO PROTECT THE FOOTBALL TEAM.

Ok, that's the absolute stupidest ******* post on the entire message board right there. CLEARLY you're a troll and a god damned moron. Welcome to the ignore list.

The trolls are the AAC fans and the spurned UL fans.

Briles is a scumbag. So is Petrino. No other major school would touch Petrino despite what a good fb coach he was.

I gotta side with "Rabbit" here. In their drive to be a major athletic power, UofL has shown itself to be willing to get into the muck with low-life coaches and stoop to scum activities like sex parties for recruits.

But still, that in no way shape or form is equivalent to Baylor covering up rapes. Or covering up murder, like they did with basketball 10+ years ago. It just isn't in the same league.

What we did was terrible-(Louisville) and I'm one of the Louisville ppl that would not shed a tear if Pitino was gone...but what happened at Baylor-(This Century) is mind blowing...I would put what happened at Baylor even worse than what happened at Penn State.

(05-28-2016 08:24 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 07:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 07:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 04:26 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(05-27-2016 10:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  Well Louisville did pay the women to have sex with recruits instead of having a few individual players rape women. So it was organized by the coaches and voluntary. And included illegal acts by coaches, which it isn't certain Baylor's coaches did anything illegal, just unethical.

You're right. Baylor's was callous disregard. Louisville's was intentional and worse than Baylor.

Louisville was intentional and worse than Baylor WHERE PEOPLE WERE BEING RAPED, AND IT WAS BEING COVERED UP TO PROTECT THE FOOTBALL TEAM.

Ok, that's the absolute stupidest ******* post on the entire message board right there. CLEARLY you're a troll and a god damned moron. Welcome to the ignore list.

The trolls are the AAC fans and the spurned UL fans.

Briles is a scumbag. So is Petrino. No other major school would touch Petrino despite what a good fb coach he was.

I gotta side with "Rabbit" here. In their drive to be a major athletic power, UofL has shown itself to be willing to get into the muck with low-life coaches and stoop to scum activities like sex parties for recruits.

But still, that in no way shape or form is equivalent to Baylor covering up rapes. Or covering up murder, like they did with basketball 10+ years ago. It just isn't in the same league.

What we did was terrible-(Louisville) and I'm one of the Louisville ppl that would not shed a tear if Pitino was gone...but what happened at Baylor-(This Century) is mind blowing...I would put what happened at Baylor even worse than what happened at Penn State.

It's definitely a close call. Child rape is hard to trump, though.

Beyond that, looking at these situations, and throwing Ole Miss in there too, there does seem to be a common theme: When a school that historically hasn't won much suddenly rises to BCS-bowl winning level, you gotta wonder about how it happened.

Down here in the deep southwest part of the SEC, there was plenty of buzz from LSU and Alabama people the last few years stunned that they were suddenly losing some 4 and 5 star recruits to Ole Miss. That just never happened, and then it started happening. There would be woofing between LSU and Alabama about which one some star recruit was going to pick, and then on selection day he'd put on an Ole Miss hat, and then both the Tide fans and Tigers fans would look at each other like "WTF"?

(05-28-2016 08:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 08:24 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 07:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 07:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 04:26 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Louisville was intentional and worse than Baylor WHERE PEOPLE WERE BEING RAPED, AND IT WAS BEING COVERED UP TO PROTECT THE FOOTBALL TEAM.

Ok, that's the absolute stupidest ******* post on the entire message board right there. CLEARLY you're a troll and a god damned moron. Welcome to the ignore list.

The trolls are the AAC fans and the spurned UL fans.

Briles is a scumbag. So is Petrino. No other major school would touch Petrino despite what a good fb coach he was.

I gotta side with "Rabbit" here. In their drive to be a major athletic power, UofL has shown itself to be willing to get into the muck with low-life coaches and stoop to scum activities like sex parties for recruits.

But still, that in no way shape or form is equivalent to Baylor covering up rapes. Or covering up murder, like they did with basketball 10+ years ago. It just isn't in the same league.

What we did was terrible-(Louisville) and I'm one of the Louisville ppl that would not shed a tear if Pitino was gone...but what happened at Baylor-(This Century) is mind blowing...I would put what happened at Baylor even worse than what happened at Penn State.

It's definitely a close call. Child rape is hard to trump, though.

Beyond that, looking at these situations, and throwing Ole Miss in there too, there does seem to be a common theme: When a school that historically hasn't won much suddenly rises to BCS-bowl winning level, you gotta wonder about how it happened.

Down here in the deep southwest part of the SEC, there was plenty of buzz from LSU and Alabama people the last few years stunned that they were suddenly losing some 4 and 5 star recruits to Ole Miss. That just never happened, and then it started happening.

A couple of things:

1. Always won in Basketball....our issues with the NCAA is Basketball related.

2. Benefitted from being in the BIG EAST/C-USA...also unlike Ole Miss our Football Recruiting Classes usually ranked in the 30 Range...Ole Miss suddenly brought in Top 5 Classes....what we did was hit on a lot of 3* Players that are now starters in the NFL.

(05-28-2016 08:54 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 08:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 08:24 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 07:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 07:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  The trolls are the AAC fans and the spurned UL fans.

Briles is a scumbag. So is Petrino. No other major school would touch Petrino despite what a good fb coach he was.

I gotta side with "Rabbit" here. In their drive to be a major athletic power, UofL has shown itself to be willing to get into the muck with low-life coaches and stoop to scum activities like sex parties for recruits.

But still, that in no way shape or form is equivalent to Baylor covering up rapes. Or covering up murder, like they did with basketball 10+ years ago. It just isn't in the same league.

What we did was terrible-(Louisville) and I'm one of the Louisville ppl that would not shed a tear if Pitino was gone...but what happened at Baylor-(This Century) is mind blowing...I would put what happened at Baylor even worse than what happened at Penn State.

It's definitely a close call. Child rape is hard to trump, though.

Beyond that, looking at these situations, and throwing Ole Miss in there too, there does seem to be a common theme: When a school that historically hasn't won much suddenly rises to BCS-bowl winning level, you gotta wonder about how it happened.

Down here in the deep southwest part of the SEC, there was plenty of buzz from LSU and Alabama people the last few years stunned that they were suddenly losing some 4 and 5 star recruits to Ole Miss. That just never happened, and then it started happening.

A couple of things:

1. Always won in Basketball....

Yep, that's why i said "BCS bowl winning". You guys have always won in basketball. Now if USF started winning basketball ... LOL .. call out Homeland Security.

(05-28-2016 08:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 08:54 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 08:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 08:24 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 07:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I gotta side with "Rabbit" here. In their drive to be a major athletic power, UofL has shown itself to be willing to get into the muck with low-life coaches and stoop to scum activities like sex parties for recruits.

But still, that in no way shape or form is equivalent to Baylor covering up rapes. Or covering up murder, like they did with basketball 10+ years ago. It just isn't in the same league.

What we did was terrible-(Louisville) and I'm one of the Louisville ppl that would not shed a tear if Pitino was gone...but what happened at Baylor-(This Century) is mind blowing...I would put what happened at Baylor even worse than what happened at Penn State.

It's definitely a close call. Child rape is hard to trump, though.

Beyond that, looking at these situations, and throwing Ole Miss in there too, there does seem to be a common theme: When a school that historically hasn't won much suddenly rises to BCS-bowl winning level, you gotta wonder about how it happened.

Down here in the deep southwest part of the SEC, there was plenty of buzz from LSU and Alabama people the last few years stunned that they were suddenly losing some 4 and 5 star recruits to Ole Miss. That just never happened, and then it started happening.

A couple of things:

1. Always won in Basketball....

Yep, that's why i said "BCS bowl winning". You guys have always won in basketball. Now if USF started winning basketball ... LOL .. call out Homeland Security.

We didn't/don't have monster recruiting classes...just hit on under the radar guys like Sheldon Rankins-(2016 Top 12 NFL Overall Selection) and 1st Defensive Tackle taken...had no commitable SEC offers coming out of HS in Georgia...Ole Miss started getting 5* Players out of Illinois...

A couple of random observations:
1) The main heat...at least on the AAC boards...is coming from Houston fans in particular. And this should be understandable. Houston and Baylor once were SWC programs; Baylor got the ticket to the B12 while Houston (and Rice and TCU...SMU having gotten the "death penalty" being the obvious one to be omitted...) got relegated to CUSA and then the AAC. And even now, the argument gets floated out that "Baylor should get exiled from the B12 and replaced with Houston." Not to mention that Baylor took Briles from Houston while Houston was at a high-point...and Houston replaced Briles with Tony Levine. So there is an obvious reason and agenda at work with the Houston fans.

2) As for Louisville, I think their defensiveness comes...not from "being spurned"...but from having being pounded over the Petino-Strong-Petrino thing. (Charlie Strong being lumped in here because of his famous "Values" which were splashed across the entrance to the football complex...) I think they get somewhat tired of getting lumped into everyone else's ethical problems. And that's fair. This story is NOT about Louisville, IT'S ABOUT BAYLOR. It's a diversion from the real story when someone says, "Well Louisville..." Louisville has NOTHING to do with anything here; they have absolutely NO connection to the Baylor situation. So I can understand the Lul'ville fans getting mad at invoking Louisville with this particular story.

3) As for Baylor...there really is no defense for them. But there is also an agenda in how the story is being pursued. The "Ken Starr" angle is all about payback. Baylor is also a Baptist school and a whole lot of people are slobbering at a chance to take down a conservative-religious school. And Dennis Dodds...in particular...seems to see this as "his chance" to take down a major target and tack the pelt on his wall like Woodward and Bernstein did with Nixon. Funny how he doesn't mention the Press' role in elevating the game and looking past the infractions of these young men. Seems kind of...ironic...to me.

(05-28-2016 08:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 08:24 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 07:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 07:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 04:26 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Louisville was intentional and worse than Baylor WHERE PEOPLE WERE BEING RAPED, AND IT WAS BEING COVERED UP TO PROTECT THE FOOTBALL TEAM.

Ok, that's the absolute stupidest ******* post on the entire message board right there. CLEARLY you're a troll and a god damned moron. Welcome to the ignore list.

The trolls are the AAC fans and the spurned UL fans.

Briles is a scumbag. So is Petrino. No other major school would touch Petrino despite what a good fb coach he was.

I gotta side with "Rabbit" here. In their drive to be a major athletic power, UofL has shown itself to be willing to get into the muck with low-life coaches and stoop to scum activities like sex parties for recruits.

But still, that in no way shape or form is equivalent to Baylor covering up rapes. Or covering up murder, like they did with basketball 10+ years ago. It just isn't in the same league.

What we did was terrible-(Louisville) and I'm one of the Louisville ppl that would not shed a tear if Pitino was gone...but what happened at Baylor-(This Century) is mind blowing...I would put what happened at Baylor even worse than what happened at Penn State.

It's definitely a close call. Child rape is hard to trump, though.

Beyond that, looking at these situations, and throwing Ole Miss in there too, there does seem to be a common theme: When a school that historically hasn't won much suddenly rises to BCS-bowl winning level, you gotta wonder about how it happened.

Down here in the deep southwest part of the SEC, there was plenty of buzz from LSU and Alabama people the last few years stunned that they were suddenly losing some 4 and 5 star recruits to Ole Miss. That just never happened, and then it started happening. There would be woofing between LSU and Alabama about which one some star recruit was going to pick, and then on selection day he'd put on an Ole Miss hat, and then both the Tide fans and Tigers fans would look at each other like "WTF"?

I seriously doubt there are many football fans - including Ole Miss fans - who didn't assume that the Rebels recruiting success was accomplished without some major cheating. And, despite the large number of examples cited in the Notice of Allegations, I think most of those fans would likely agree that the NCAA didn't find the mother lode of violations.

But when you come down to it, I'm sure that many football fans not in SEC territory also assume that Ole Miss got those recruits by outbidding their SEC competitors. Whatever they did, it must have been pretty over the top for their fellow SEC schools to blow the whistle on them.

Baylor's situation may be different. It's possible that they got their edge, not by offering major illegal inducements, but simply by taking players whose character would keep them out of most B12 competitors. And few fans would accuse the Big 12 (or any FBS conference) of stacking their rosters with choir boys.

(05-28-2016 09:31 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  2) As for Louisville, I think their defensiveness comes...not from "being spurned"...but from having being pounded over the Pitino-Strong-Petrino thing. (Charlie Strong being lumped in here because of his famous "Values" which were splashed across the entrance to the football complex...) I think they get somewhat tired of getting lumped into everyone else's ethical problems. And that's fair. This story is NOT about Louisville, IT'S ABOUT BAYLOR. It's a diversion from the real story when someone says, "Well Louisville..." Louisville has NOTHING to do with anything here; they have absolutely NO connection to the Baylor situation. So I can understand the Lul'ville fans getting mad at invoking Louisville with this particular story.

Agree with this and really most of the rest...

(05-28-2016 09:31 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  A couple of random observations:
1) The main heat...at least on the AAC boards...is coming from Houston fans in particular. And this should be understandable. Houston and Baylor once were SWC programs; Baylor got the ticket to the B12 while Houston (and Rice and TCU...SMU having gotten the "death penalty" being the obvious one to be omitted...) got relegated to CUSA and then the AAC. And even now, the argument gets floated out that "Baylor should get exiled from the B12 and replaced with Houston." Not to mention that Baylor took Briles from Houston while Houston was at a high-point...and Houston replaced Briles with Tony Levine. So there is an obvious reason and agenda at work with the Houston fans.

Baylor is easily the most despised Texas team in the Big 12 by the other Texas Big 12 schools. UT hates them. TCU hates them.

It's not just Houston fans throwing out the "Replace Baylor" idea. Go read Shaggy Bevo.

As for Briles, yes Baylor took him from us. And Briles took Robert Griffin, who first committed to Houston. And we were bitter at the time.

But the funny thing was, we upgraded. Briles was 28-3 against losing teams at Houston, and 6-25 against winning teams. He was 0-fer in bowl games. He was 0-fer against Top 25 teams. With a couple of exceptions, he lost nearly every meaningful game he coached at Houston.

We didn't replace him with Levine. We replaced him with Kevin Sumlin. Sumlin started beating ranked teams. He started winning meaningful games. As a result, crowds started to grow. We sold out the stadium in 2010 and 2011. And that led to the new stadium.

If Briles was still our coach, there's no way we are coming off a Peach Bowl win against Florida St. We probably don't have a new stadium. And we may be going through a rape scandal instead of Baylor.

Ultimately, Baylor did us a favor taking Briles off our hands.

It's like the Aggie who moved to Oklahoma and raised the IQ level of both states.

What happened at Louisville was immoral, however with Pitino and Petrino happened amongst consenting adults (most 17-18 yo boys know right from wrong). Penn state and the more recent Baylor scandals victimized people that were forced into one of the worst acts a human can perpetrate on another human being. The act doesn't just end after the event, the victims are forever traumatized and suffer post traumatic stress divorce on par with combat vets. So no, the Louisville scandals are not congruent with baylor's.

(05-28-2016 10:04 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  What happened at Louisville was immoral, however with Pitino and Petrino happened amongst consenting adults (most 17-18 yo boys know right from wrong). Penn state and the more recent Baylor scandals victimized people that were forced into one of the worst acts a human can perpetrate on another human being. The act doesn't just end after the event, the victims are forever traumatized and suffer post traumatic stress divorce on par with combat vets. So no, the Louisville scandals are not congruent with baylor's.

The difference for me is with Penn State it was one sick person...with Baylor it was apparently multiple...

FSU=One sick person (Winston)
Tennessee multiple players from the past to recently running rampant according reports that mentioned Peyton Manning as one of the accused.
Miami, Florida scandals which some includes rape.
Florida had some scumbags as well.
A couple of Vanderbilt players were found guilty of rape.
Missouri booted a player who pushed his then girlfriend down a flight of stairs, and Stoops at Oklahoma was trying to get him get the waiver to clear him to play for them. We might have to watch Oklahoma more closely as well. If Stoops wants players that have a history of abusing females to play for him? That makes him as bad as Baylor.

Boise State wound up kicking a few more players off their team for good. They booted Derrick Boles.

I wonder why G5 schools and FCS ones boot the bad players off their team while P5 schools tried to shield them?

(05-28-2016 09:50 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 09:31 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  A couple of random observations:
1) The main heat...at least on the AAC boards...is coming from Houston fans in particular. And this should be understandable. Houston and Baylor once were SWC programs; Baylor got the ticket to the B12 while Houston (and Rice and TCU...SMU having gotten the "death penalty" being the obvious one to be omitted...) got relegated to CUSA and then the AAC. And even now, the argument gets floated out that "Baylor should get exiled from the B12 and replaced with Houston." Not to mention that Baylor took Briles from Houston while Houston was at a high-point...and Houston replaced Briles with Tony Levine. So there is an obvious reason and agenda at work with the Houston fans.

Baylor is easily the most despised Texas team in the Big 12 by the other Texas Big 12 schools. UT hates them. TCU hates them.

It's not just Houston fans throwing out the "Replace Baylor" idea. Go read Shaggy Bevo.

As for Briles, yes Baylor took him from us. And Briles took Robert Griffin, who first committed to Houston. And we were bitter at the time.

But the funny thing was, we upgraded. Briles was 28-3 against losing teams at Houston, and 6-25 against winning teams. He was 0-fer in bowl games. He was 0-fer against Top 25 teams. With a couple of exceptions, he lost nearly every meaningful game he coached at Houston.

We didn't replace him with Levine. We replaced him with Kevin Sumlin. Sumlin started beating ranked teams. He started winning meaningful games. As a result, crowds started to grow. We sold out the stadium in 2010 and 2011. And that led to the new stadium.

If Briles was still our coach, there's no way we are coming off a Peach Bowl win against Florida St. We probably don't have a new stadium. And we may be going through a rape scandal instead of Baylor.

Ultimately, Baylor did us a favor taking Briles off our hands.

It's like the Aggie who moved to Oklahoma and raised the IQ level of both states.

The comment was made that "Disgruntled AAC fans" were hyping the Baylor situation...which is not quite accurate. I think Houston fans in particular have an axe to grind with Baylor. And that's completely understandable. Houston has quite a history with Baylor and so among "AAC fans" UH fans are among the most agitated.

(05-28-2016 08:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 08:24 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 07:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 07:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 04:26 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Louisville was intentional and worse than Baylor WHERE PEOPLE WERE BEING RAPED, AND IT WAS BEING COVERED UP TO PROTECT THE FOOTBALL TEAM.

Ok, that's the absolute stupidest ******* post on the entire message board right there. CLEARLY you're a troll and a god damned moron. Welcome to the ignore list.

The trolls are the AAC fans and the spurned UL fans.

Briles is a scumbag. So is Petrino. No other major school would touch Petrino despite what a good fb coach he was.

I gotta side with "Rabbit" here. In their drive to be a major athletic power, UofL has shown itself to be willing to get into the muck with low-life coaches and stoop to scum activities like sex parties for recruits.

But still, that in no way shape or form is equivalent to Baylor covering up rapes. Or covering up murder, like they did with basketball 10+ years ago. It just isn't in the same league.

What we did was terrible-(Louisville) and I'm one of the Louisville ppl that would not shed a tear if Pitino was gone...but what happened at Baylor-(This Century) is mind blowing...I would put what happened at Baylor even worse than what happened at Penn State.

It's definitely a close call. Child rape is hard to trump, though.

Beyond that, looking at these situations, and throwing Ole Miss in there too, there does seem to be a common theme: When a school that historically hasn't won much suddenly rises to BCS-bowl winning level, you gotta wonder about how it happened.

Down here in the deep southwest part of the SEC, there was plenty of buzz from LSU and Alabama people the last few years stunned that they were suddenly losing some 4 and 5 star recruits to Ole Miss. That just never happened, and then it started happening. There would be woofing between LSU and Alabama about which one some star recruit was going to pick, and then on selection day he'd put on an Ole Miss hat, and then both the Tide fans and Tigers fans would look at each other like "WTF"?

There is a distinction Quo. Penn State, Baylor, and Winston at Florida State don't happen without the presence of two major ingredients: Institutional Cover Up and The Cooperation of the Local Police. When profit buys off the ethics of oversight and the enforcement of the law atrocities happen virtually every time whether that is with college sports, illicit narcotics, or genocide.

IMO not only university officials, but also the local law enforcement need to be totally dismissed and fresh faces with new hearts installed to restore any chance for future justice. And that is true in Tallahassee, Waco, and Happy Valley, or anywhere else that combination wreaks its destruction.

And Bullet, I wouldn't tow the party line for the Big 12 on this if I were you. You will lose your credibility on this one!

(05-28-2016 10:57 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 08:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 08:24 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 07:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 07:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  The trolls are the AAC fans and the spurned UL fans.

Briles is a scumbag. So is Petrino. No other major school would touch Petrino despite what a good fb coach he was.

I gotta side with "Rabbit" here. In their drive to be a major athletic power, UofL has shown itself to be willing to get into the muck with low-life coaches and stoop to scum activities like sex parties for recruits.

But still, that in no way shape or form is equivalent to Baylor covering up rapes. Or covering up murder, like they did with basketball 10+ years ago. It just isn't in the same league.

What we did was terrible-(Louisville) and I'm one of the Louisville ppl that would not shed a tear if Pitino was gone...but what happened at Baylor-(This Century) is mind blowing...I would put what happened at Baylor even worse than what happened at Penn State.

It's definitely a close call. Child rape is hard to trump, though.

Beyond that, looking at these situations, and throwing Ole Miss in there too, there does seem to be a common theme: When a school that historically hasn't won much suddenly rises to BCS-bowl winning level, you gotta wonder about how it happened.

Down here in the deep southwest part of the SEC, there was plenty of buzz from LSU and Alabama people the last few years stunned that they were suddenly losing some 4 and 5 star recruits to Ole Miss. That just never happened, and then it started happening. There would be woofing between LSU and Alabama about which one some star recruit was going to pick, and then on selection day he'd put on an Ole Miss hat, and then both the Tide fans and Tigers fans would look at each other like "WTF"?

There is a distinction Quo. Penn State, Baylor, and Winston at Florida State don't happen without the presence of two major ingredients: Institutional Cover Up and The Cooperation of the Local Police. When profit buys off the ethics of oversight and the enforcement of the law atrocities happen virtually every time whether that is with college sports, illicit narcotics, or genocide.

IMO not only university officials, but also the local law enforcement need to be totally dismissed and fresh faces with new hearts installed to restore any chance for future justice. And that is true in Tallahassee, Waco, and Happy Valley, or anywhere else that combination wreaks its destruction.

And Bullet, I wouldn't tow the party line for the Big 12 on this if I were you. You will lose your credibility on this one!

Hocking College is a fine example of that. The Chief of the Campus Police is the head football coach, and 3 of his players raped a female student. Conflict of interests there when the head coach is a law enforcement officer, and he should take these things seriously. Campus police should not be involved in investigating the rape.

(05-28-2016 06:00 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  From the article:

Baylor is radioactive at the moment, a pariah's pariah. What conference -- what self-respecting president or board of regents -- would want a university whose desperation to stay relevant has bordered on despicable.

Twice.
*************

Let's not forget the Baylor baseball players who tortured a cat to death. Or women's basketball coach Mulkey telling Griner to keep quiet about being gay.

Baylor got in the Big 12 based on politics and has had 20 years in "the majors" to prove itself. It's been one long wet fart.

Karma sure is a very cruel mistress

(05-28-2016 09:33 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 08:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 08:24 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 07:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-28-2016 07:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  The trolls are the AAC fans and the spurned UL fans.

Briles is a scumbag. So is Petrino. No other major school would touch Petrino despite what a good fb coach he was.

I gotta side with "Rabbit" here. In their drive to be a major athletic power, UofL has shown itself to be willing to get into the muck with low-life coaches and stoop to scum activities like sex parties for recruits.

But still, that in no way shape or form is equivalent to Baylor covering up rapes. Or covering up murder, like they did with basketball 10+ years ago. It just isn't in the same league.

What we did was terrible-(Louisville) and I'm one of the Louisville ppl that would not shed a tear if Pitino was gone...but what happened at Baylor-(This Century) is mind blowing...I would put what happened at Baylor even worse than what happened at Penn State.

It's definitely a close call. Child rape is hard to trump, though.

Beyond that, looking at these situations, and throwing Ole Miss in there too, there does seem to be a common theme: When a school that historically hasn't won much suddenly rises to BCS-bowl winning level, you gotta wonder about how it happened.

Down here in the deep southwest part of the SEC, there was plenty of buzz from LSU and Alabama people the last few years stunned that they were suddenly losing some 4 and 5 star recruits to Ole Miss. That just never happened, and then it started happening. There would be woofing between LSU and Alabama about which one some star recruit was going to pick, and then on selection day he'd put on an Ole Miss hat, and then both the Tide fans and Tigers fans would look at each other like "WTF"?

I seriously doubt there are many football fans - including Ole Miss fans - who didn't assume that the Rebels recruiting success was accomplished without some major cheating. And, despite the large number of examples cited in the Notice of Allegations, I think most of those fans would likely agree that the NCAA didn't find the mother lode of violations.

But when you come down to it, I'm sure that many football fans not in SEC territory also assume that Ole Miss got those recruits by outbidding their SEC competitors. Whatever they did, it must have been pretty over the top for their fellow SEC schools to blow the whistle on them.

Baylor's situation may be different. It's possible that they got their edge, not by offering major illegal inducements, but simply by taking players whose character would keep them out of most B12 competitors. And few fans would accuse the Big 12 (or any FBS conference) of stacking their rosters with choir boys.

Total B.S. Bullet. Ole Miss was nabbed because their moron recruits posted their inducements on line. I don't need a Longhorn fan feigning their integrity and the superiority of the morality of the Big 12 after they were up to their eyeballs in turning in the SMU program for providing hookers and coeds for inducements for players in the old SWC or to tell us that Baylor's sudden rise was any cleaner's than Ole Miss's. The SEC has always dealt with payola, but never the level of scum and corruption illustrated first by SMU and now Baylor. Louisville's basketball program is fair game. Petrino is a douche but it's infidelity with an of age person and that is not the same as ignoring rape, covering up rape, or as awful as what happened at SMU in the 80's.

The reality is that all major sports programs have some severe issues. But, not all have institutional cover for them. SMU did, Baylor did, North Carolina does, but I'm not sure the case against Louisville's basketball issues go above the head coach or perhaps the A.D.

Just stop your crusade to spin the Big 12. It's totally indefensible at this point with regard to Baylor. And listening to you pursue this just lowers my high opinion of you.

(05-27-2016 08:38 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(05-27-2016 08:26 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-27-2016 08:14 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Jim Tressel and Bobby Petrino didn't cover up rape charges. Their names don't belong in the same sentence as Briles. In fact, the only name that MIGHT be comparable is Paterno.

There was strong evidence by an ESPN investigative piece that Tressel was involved directly with providing women for recruits very much like the Louisville basketball program, but involving not only paid women but solicited coeds. As usual with large programs the scandal and punishment didn't want to touch issues so sensitive to the public so it became about pay, cars and tattoos.

Now Petrino was guilty of having a fling with a volleyball player young enough to be his daughter. While tasteless in its own right it is not in the same category as Briles.

But even soliciting coeds and/or paying for whores is still, at the end of the day, sex among consensual adults. It might be shady, dirty, ect...but it's still consensual. It's not covering up rape and abuse. That's a whole other level than bringing girls around and letting what happens between 'em happen.

High school kids are consenting adults? You sure they were all over age?

Not condoning anything with Louisville but do chuckle at Rutgers person "trying" to throw shade at Louisville with Rutgers own Bullying allegations with coaches and players......throwing stones living in a glass house