I did a google search on Pastner and Georgia Tech last night just to see how they believed he was doing after one week on the job. The first two full pages of google results were about Pastner and no golfers on staff. I aint lying.

(04-16-2016 10:08 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:05 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:02 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 11:18 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 04:17 PM)TigerTitan Wrote:  Well said. I was as unhappy as most with Coach Pastner while he was here. But the constant bashing on this thread is so unnecessary and moronic.

Don't get why you would hate someone who gave it his best shot and failed. He didn't force anyone to give him the head coaching job here. He didn't lie or begrudge anyone associated with the school or athletic program.

Yet, many here are just piling on with anger and vitriol, bashing him over mundane things like being very demanding of himself and the people who work for him.

Really??

Are you kidding? This guy started driving this program into a ditch from day one. How on earth could you defend him? "He gave it his best?".

Who cares. He's a snake oil salesman POS!

dude went 130-44 his first 5 years, featuring 4 NCAAs and an NIT...he was CUSA COY...he wasn't "driving this program into a ditch"

he simply wasn't a good fit here...saw it...and found himself a soft landing spot which leaves us all better off (maybe even GT)

lets wish him well, and get behind Tubby Smith as Memphis coach.

CUSA COY?

we didn't seem to think it was so bad when we had 30 wins, and a 16-0 conference record under Pastner...didn't we knock off St Mary's in the tourney that year?

Some of we could tell he wasn't the right guy during the first four years. Poor X's and O's, transfers, assistants coming and going, roster management. Sure, the 30-win year gave me hope, but the schedule that year and the post-season flame out dashed those hopes. Been downhill ever since.

(04-16-2016 10:19 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:08 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:05 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:02 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 11:18 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  Are you kidding? This guy started driving this program into a ditch from day one. How on earth could you defend him? "He gave it his best?".

Who cares. He's a snake oil salesman POS!

dude went 130-44 his first 5 years, featuring 4 NCAAs and an NIT...he was CUSA COY...he wasn't "driving this program into a ditch"

he simply wasn't a good fit here...saw it...and found himself a soft landing spot which leaves us all better off (maybe even GT)

lets wish him well, and get behind Tubby Smith as Memphis coach.

CUSA COY?

we didn't seem to think it was so bad when we had 30 wins, and a 16-0 conference record under Pastner...didn't we knock off St Mary's in the tourney that year?

Some of we could tell he wasn't the right guy during the first four years. Poor X's and O's, transfers, assistants coming and going, roster management. Sure, the 30-win year gave me hope, but the schedule that year and the post-season flame out dashed those hopes. Been downhill ever since.

hell, I knew when we played UMass in Boston that dude couldn't coach (zero sets, zero adjustments, and odd rotations)...but some of we support the Memphis head coach, and root for the team no matter what...some of we understand we aren't assoc athletic directors, or asst coaches.

I'm cool with just being a fan...and 130-44, 4 NCAAs with an NIT, and CUSA COY isn't running a program into a ditch

I don't hate Pastner...and I wish him and GT well as long as we aren't playing each other.

I don't wish him well or not well. I don't think he still has a clue what he is doing.

I think his insecurity over being in way over his head, show up in all sorts of ways..."Mr Positive", "works so hard" (see golf course), throw players under the bus, etc.

glad it won't be at our expense any more.

(04-16-2016 10:26 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:19 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:08 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:05 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:02 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  dude went 130-44 his first 5 years, featuring 4 NCAAs and an NIT...he was CUSA COY...he wasn't "driving this program into a ditch"

he simply wasn't a good fit here...saw it...and found himself a soft landing spot which leaves us all better off (maybe even GT)

lets wish him well, and get behind Tubby Smith as Memphis coach.

CUSA COY?

we didn't seem to think it was so bad when we had 30 wins, and a 16-0 conference record under Pastner...didn't we knock off St Mary's in the tourney that year?

Some of we could tell he wasn't the right guy during the first four years. Poor X's and O's, transfers, assistants coming and going, roster management. Sure, the 30-win year gave me hope, but the schedule that year and the post-season flame out dashed those hopes. Been downhill ever since.

hell, I knew when we played UMass in Boston that dude couldn't coach (zero sets, zero adjustments, and odd rotations)...but some of we support the Memphis head coach, and root for the team no matter what...some of we understand we aren't assoc athletic directors, or asst coaches.

I'm cool with just being a fan...and 130-44, 4 NCAAs with an NIT, and CUSA COY isn't running a program into a ditch

I don't hate Pastner...and I wish him and GT well as long as we aren't playing each other.

Message boards are for sharing opinions. Yours is valued. Doesn't mean I hate Pastner or don't support the program to point out his failings and call for a new coach. I actually hope he isn't successful at GT because I don't want the narrative to be that his lack of success here is on the city, school, or fans,

(04-16-2016 10:26 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:19 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:08 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:05 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:02 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  dude went 130-44 his first 5 years, featuring 4 NCAAs and an NIT...he was CUSA COY...he wasn't "driving this program into a ditch"

he simply wasn't a good fit here...saw it...and found himself a soft landing spot which leaves us all better off (maybe even GT)

lets wish him well, and get behind Tubby Smith as Memphis coach.

CUSA COY?

we didn't seem to think it was so bad when we had 30 wins, and a 16-0 conference record under Pastner...didn't we knock off St Mary's in the tourney that year?

Some of we could tell he wasn't the right guy during the first four years. Poor X's and O's, transfers, assistants coming and going, roster management. Sure, the 30-win year gave me hope, but the schedule that year and the post-season flame out dashed those hopes. Been downhill ever since.

hell, I knew when we played UMass in Boston that dude couldn't coach (zero sets, zero adjustments, and odd rotations)...but some of we support the Memphis head coach, and root for the team no matter what...some of we understand we aren't assoc athletic directors, or asst coaches.

I'm cool with just being a fan...and 130-44, 4 NCAAs with an NIT, and CUSA COY isn't running a program into a ditch

I don't hate Pastner...and I wish him and GT well as long as we aren't playing each other.

I too wish JP well, just not at the expense of our university. JP is a tireless worker to a fault, but his achievements consistently seem limited to things he can control 100%. I think this fault will continue to insure failure as a coach unless he learns to lead rather than dictate & can learn to teach & motivate rather than demand. It's a team conception where all the parts work together rather than a dictator micro-managing what number players wear or whether coaches play golf. Hope the light comes on for JP because continued failure with his current approach will eventually destroy him as a coach & person.

(04-16-2016 10:08 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:05 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:02 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 11:18 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 04:17 PM)TigerTitan Wrote:  Well said. I was as unhappy as most with Coach Pastner while he was here. But the constant bashing on this thread is so unnecessary and moronic.

Don't get why you would hate someone who gave it his best shot and failed. He didn't force anyone to give him the head coaching job here. He didn't lie or begrudge anyone associated with the school or athletic program.

Yet, many here are just piling on with anger and vitriol, bashing him over mundane things like being very demanding of himself and the people who work for him.

Really??

Are you kidding? This guy started driving this program into a ditch from day one. How on earth could you defend him? "He gave it his best?".

Who cares. He's a snake oil salesman POS!

dude went 130-44 his first 5 years, featuring 4 NCAAs and an NIT...he was CUSA COY...he wasn't "driving this program into a ditch"

he simply wasn't a good fit here...saw it...and found himself a soft landing spot which leaves us all better off (maybe even GT)

lets wish him well, and get behind Tubby Smith as Memphis coach.

CUSA COY?

we didn't seem to think it was so bad when we had 30 wins, and a 16-0 conference record under Pastner...didn't we knock off St Mary's in the tourney that year?

That's the thing of it: We went 19-0 in conference, barely beat a 9 seed (8 seed? They were ESPN #25.), then got crushed by Michigan State (UVA?). We never looked close to getting past the first weekend under him and that combined with all of the important players he lost meant it was not going to work.

It's become increasingly clear the past few years how flawed his entire philosophy towards coaching and working is, and I don't know that his experience here was a harsh enough lesson to get through to him.

(04-16-2016 10:17 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I did a google search on Pastner and Georgia Tech last night just to see how they believed he was doing after one week on the job. The first two full pages of google results were about Pastner and no golfers on staff. I aint lying.

You lack the fundamental understanding of how Google's algo works.

(04-16-2016 09:41 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  I think it was a shot at Penny to be honest. If he don't hire golfers then the whole "I asked Penny to be an assistant and he turned me down" story was just another one of his many lies

that is exactly what it was

(04-16-2016 09:27 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 09:41 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  I think it was a shot at Penny to be honest. If he don't hire golfers then the whole "I asked Penny to be an assistant and he turned me down" story was just another one of his many lies

that is exactly what it was

If this is true - wow.

(04-15-2016 12:21 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Hey shut up. I hated him first and hated him most

At the ACM awards last week, they did a skit where everyone tried to claim to be the first to "discover" Chris Stapleton. Pretty funny because our own JT had as much to do with launching Chris's career as anyone from last year's CMA awards - and I was there. But, anyway, I thought of this board and Pastner as the ACM skit was playing out.

ACM - Stapleton skit

JT catapults Stapleton's career

EDIT: corrected first link

(04-16-2016 10:05 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 09:27 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 09:41 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  I think it was a shot at Penny to be honest. If he don't hire golfers then the whole "I asked Penny to be an assistant and he turned me down" story was just another one of his many lies

that is exactly what it was

If this is true - wow.

I thought it was a shot at John Wooden who once made and ace and a double eagle in the same round.

(04-16-2016 10:07 AM)Hoots Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 09:41 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  I think it was a shot at Penny to be honest. If he don't hire golfers then the whole "I asked Penny to be an assistant and he turned me down" story was just another one of his many lies

That's a good point. Hadn't thought of that angle, but you might be right.

I didn't think it was a shot at Penny, but he did pop into my mind as I was reading the article.

(04-16-2016 10:08 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:05 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:02 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 11:18 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 04:17 PM)TigerTitan Wrote:  Well said. I was as unhappy as most with Coach Pastner while he was here. But the constant bashing on this thread is so unnecessary and moronic.

Don't get why you would hate someone who gave it his best shot and failed. He didn't force anyone to give him the head coaching job here. He didn't lie or begrudge anyone associated with the school or athletic program.

Yet, many here are just piling on with anger and vitriol, bashing him over mundane things like being very demanding of himself and the people who work for him.

Really??

Are you kidding? This guy started driving this program into a ditch from day one. How on earth could you defend him? "He gave it his best?".

Who cares. He's a snake oil salesman POS!

dude went 130-44 his first 5 years, featuring 4 NCAAs and an NIT...he was CUSA COY...he wasn't "driving this program into a ditch"

he simply wasn't a good fit here...saw it...and found himself a soft landing spot which leaves us all better off (maybe even GT)

lets wish him well, and get behind Tubby Smith as Memphis coach.

CUSA COY?

we didn't seem to think it was so bad when we had 30 wins, and a 16-0 conference record under Pastner...didn't we knock off St Mary's in the tourney that year?

To be fair, "we" may not have seen it, but Chi did. From the very start.

(04-16-2016 10:17 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I did a google search on Pastner and Georgia Tech last night just to see how they believed he was doing after one week on the job. The first two full pages of google results were about Pastner and no golfers on staff. I aint lying.

Stalker.

(04-16-2016 11:16 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:26 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:19 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:08 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 10:05 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  CUSA COY?

we didn't seem to think it was so bad when we had 30 wins, and a 16-0 conference record under Pastner...didn't we knock off St Mary's in the tourney that year?

Some of we could tell he wasn't the right guy during the first four years. Poor X's and O's, transfers, assistants coming and going, roster management. Sure, the 30-win year gave me hope, but the schedule that year and the post-season flame out dashed those hopes. Been downhill ever since.

hell, I knew when we played UMass in Boston that dude couldn't coach (zero sets, zero adjustments, and odd rotations)...but some of we support the Memphis head coach, and root for the team no matter what...some of we understand we aren't assoc athletic directors, or asst coaches.

I'm cool with just being a fan...and 130-44, 4 NCAAs with an NIT, and CUSA COY isn't running a program into a ditch

I don't hate Pastner...and I wish him and GT well as long as we aren't playing each other.

I too wish JP well, just not at the expense of our university. JP is a tireless worker to a fault, but his achievements consistently seem limited to things he can control 100%. I think this fault will continue to insure failure as a coach unless he learns to lead rather than dictate & can learn to teach & motivate rather than demand. It's a team conception where all the parts work together rather than a dictator micro-managing what number players wear or whether coaches play golf. Hope the light comes on for JP because continued failure with his current approach will eventually destroy him as a coach & person.

This is a really good explanation. Can be applied to any high level, extremely visable position.

(04-15-2016 12:47 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 12:46 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  This is kinda all over Twitter now ... he looks like a complete idiot with this stuff.

The clown needs to learn to just stfu and answer questions honestly instead of all the spin and bs. He's the biggest liar I've ever seen. Way worse than Cal.

Uh huh...

This should be the response to Pastner any time he brings up the golf stupidity:

(04-17-2016 01:21 PM)SigEpMike Wrote:  This should be the response to Pastner any time he brings up the golf stupidity:

Well imagine how many championships he could have won if he had not been wasting time playing golf... haha

don't much care what Pastner does, good or otherwise, no ill feelings, just not interested in focusing on him.

Just hope this older coach we now have finds ways to keep his health steady and ignores all the stressful hollering he will hear about every time he doesn't win a game if he becomes aware of message boards like this, so that he has the best chance of doing the best he can do while he is with us. It appears the contract was for something like 5 years. I think he could manage something good in those five years if we all pull together and don't add to the stress level. If he hasn't worked out in five years, it will be time to get someone new and he may be feeling like it's retirement age at that point anyway.