(11-16-2015 12:36 PM)mewes Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:08 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:03 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 10:45 AM)Cletus Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 11:40 AM)mewes Wrote:  Porter's classes were head and shoulders better than fuente. Porter landed really good classes after 1-11 and 2-10 seasons so please give the tired excuses a break. Porter couldn't coach worth a crap but he could recruit. Fuente is a hellava coach but his recruiting especially on the defensive side of the ball is questionable at best.

And how many of them were still around on the roster when Fuente took over?

Because we were so shorthanded with a lack of scholarship players for the first couple of years.




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Pretty much every guy that made our defense as good as it was last year was a Porter guy.

And pretty much every guy that made our offense as good as it is a Fuente guy.

Nobody is questioning his offense coaching ability. All I was saying is that he should try to recruit better defensive players. After we losses all of the defensive talent last year he didn't replace it with equal or better talent. He also needs to replace his DC.

So your belief is that he is consciously choosing to not recruit better defensive players?

(11-16-2015 01:11 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  Statistically, this is one of the worst defenses we've had in decades. The offense is just so good that they make up for it most of the time. Yes, a coordinator change needs to be made. And likely will.

Not quite. The defensive numbers look terrible because of the number of plays run per game, but the defensive stats that tell the tale are the ones that aren't reliant on the numbers snaps (like total yards, pass yards, total TOs, etc.). Instead, we've got to look at efficiency stats.

This year we're 71st in defensive efficiency (really bad), but in the past we've been:

2014- 30th
2013 -71st (with a lower overall score)
2012- 78th
2011- 114th
2010- 114th
2009- 94th
2008- 92nd
2007- 117th
2006- 115th
2005- 84th

So the actual stats show the complete opposite of what you claim: this season's defense is actually the second best we've had in the past decade, only eclipsed by the super defense we had last season because we were loaded with Porter's seniors on defense.

It's a rebuilding year on defense and we all knew we would struggle defensively this after losing so much talent. Even so, it's the best defense we've fielded the second best defense we have had in ten years.

(11-16-2015 01:24 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 01:11 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  Statistically, this is one of the worst defenses we've had in decades. The offense is just so good that they make up for it most of the time. Yes, a coordinator change needs to be made. And likely will.

Not quite. The defensive numbers look terrible because of the number of plays run per game, but the defensive stats that tell the tale are the ones that aren't reliant on the numbers snaps (like total yards, pass yards, total TOs, etc.). Instead, we've got to look at efficiency stats.

This year we're 71st in defensive efficiency (really bad), but in the past we've been:

2014- 30th
2013 -71st (with a lower overall score)
2012- 78th
2011- 114th
2010- 114th
2009- 94th
2008- 92nd
2007- 117th
2006- 115th
2005- 84th

So the actual stats show the complete opposite of what you claim: this season's defense is actually the second best we've had in the past decade, only eclipsed by the super defense we had last season because we were loaded with Porter's seniors on defense.

It's a rebuilding year on defense and we all knew we would struggle defensively this after losing so much talent. Even so, it's the best defense we've fielded the second best defense we have had in ten years.

The biggest weakness on our defense is the DB's. Which is actually what I was referring to. Our run game has not been bad at all. The DL and LB's can actually get away with the "young and inexperienced" excuse, because while they're not elite, they are solid with minimal mistakes. The defensive backfield, though, is just plain horrid. Adn it's not just a lack of talent, but they are also confused and unorganized 90% of the time. And that's on the coaches.

(11-16-2015 01:24 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 01:11 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  Statistically, this is one of the worst defenses we've had in decades. The offense is just so good that they make up for it most of the time. Yes, a coordinator change needs to be made. And likely will.

Not quite. The defensive numbers look terrible because of the number of plays run per game, but the defensive stats that tell the tale are the ones that aren't reliant on the numbers snaps (like total yards, pass yards, total TOs, etc.). Instead, we've got to look at efficiency stats.

This year we're 71st in defensive efficiency (really bad), but in the past we've been:

2014- 30th
2013 -71st (with a lower overall score)
2012- 78th
2011- 114th
2010- 114th
2009- 94th
2008- 92nd
2007- 117th
2006- 115th
2005- 84th

So the actual stats show the complete opposite of what you claim: this season's defense is actually the second best we've had in the past decade, only eclipsed by the super defense we had last season because we were loaded with Porter's seniors on defense.

It's a rebuilding year on defense and we all knew we would struggle defensively this after losing so much talent. Even so, it's the best defense we've fielded the second best defense we have had in ten years.

The biggest weakness on our defense is the DB's. Which is actually what I was referring to. Our run game has not been bad at all. The DL and LB's can actually get away with the "young and inexperienced" excuse, because while they're not elite, they are solid with minimal mistakes. The defensive backfield, though, is just plain horrid. And it's not just a lack of talent, but they are also confused and unorganized 90% of the time. And that's on the coaches.

(11-16-2015 01:31 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 01:24 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 01:11 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  Statistically, this is one of the worst defenses we've had in decades. The offense is just so good that they make up for it most of the time. Yes, a coordinator change needs to be made. And likely will.

Not quite. The defensive numbers look terrible because of the number of plays run per game, but the defensive stats that tell the tale are the ones that aren't reliant on the numbers snaps (like total yards, pass yards, total TOs, etc.). Instead, we've got to look at efficiency stats.

This year we're 71st in defensive efficiency (really bad), but in the past we've been:

2014- 30th
2013 -71st (with a lower overall score)
2012- 78th
2011- 114th
2010- 114th
2009- 94th
2008- 92nd
2007- 117th
2006- 115th
2005- 84th

So the actual stats show the complete opposite of what you claim: this season's defense is actually the second best we've had in the past decade, only eclipsed by the super defense we had last season because we were loaded with Porter's seniors on defense.

It's a rebuilding year on defense and we all knew we would struggle defensively this after losing so much talent. Even so, it's the best defense we've fielded the second best defense we have had in ten years.

The biggest weakness on our defense is the DB's. Which is actually what I was referring to. Our run game has not been bad at all. The DL and LB's can actually get away with the "young and inexperienced" excuse, because while they're not elite, they are solid with minimal mistakes. The defensive backfield, though, is just plain horrid. And it's not just a lack of talent, but they are also confused and unorganized 90% of the time. And that's on the coaches.

We are not good on sweeps doe. I think our ends or outside backers are struggling with this

(11-16-2015 01:56 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 01:31 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 01:24 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 01:11 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  Statistically, this is one of the worst defenses we've had in decades. The offense is just so good that they make up for it most of the time. Yes, a coordinator change needs to be made. And likely will.

Not quite. The defensive numbers look terrible because of the number of plays run per game, but the defensive stats that tell the tale are the ones that aren't reliant on the numbers snaps (like total yards, pass yards, total TOs, etc.). Instead, we've got to look at efficiency stats.

This year we're 71st in defensive efficiency (really bad), but in the past we've been:

2014- 30th
2013 -71st (with a lower overall score)
2012- 78th
2011- 114th
2010- 114th
2009- 94th
2008- 92nd
2007- 117th
2006- 115th
2005- 84th

So the actual stats show the complete opposite of what you claim: this season's defense is actually the second best we've had in the past decade, only eclipsed by the super defense we had last season because we were loaded with Porter's seniors on defense.

It's a rebuilding year on defense and we all knew we would struggle defensively this after losing so much talent. Even so, it's the best defense we've fielded the second best defense we have had in ten years.

The biggest weakness on our defense is the DB's. Which is actually what I was referring to. Our run game has not been bad at all. The DL and LB's can actually get away with the "young and inexperienced" excuse, because while they're not elite, they are solid with minimal mistakes. The defensive backfield, though, is just plain horrid. And it's not just a lack of talent, but they are also confused and unorganized 90% of the time. And that's on the coaches.

We are not good on sweeps doe. I think our ends or outside backers are struggling with this

I think it's primarily due to our lack of speed at the OLB positions. Nothing that Prevost and a quality JUCO signee can't fix for next season.

I wonder if Sam Craft could put on 10-15 pounds and play OLB. Too good of an athlete to not be on the field somewhere.

(11-16-2015 02:02 PM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 01:56 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 01:31 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 01:24 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 01:11 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  Statistically, this is one of the worst defenses we've had in decades. The offense is just so good that they make up for it most of the time. Yes, a coordinator change needs to be made. And likely will.

Not quite. The defensive numbers look terrible because of the number of plays run per game, but the defensive stats that tell the tale are the ones that aren't reliant on the numbers snaps (like total yards, pass yards, total TOs, etc.). Instead, we've got to look at efficiency stats.

This year we're 71st in defensive efficiency (really bad), but in the past we've been:

2014- 30th
2013 -71st (with a lower overall score)
2012- 78th
2011- 114th
2010- 114th
2009- 94th
2008- 92nd
2007- 117th
2006- 115th
2005- 84th

So the actual stats show the complete opposite of what you claim: this season's defense is actually the second best we've had in the past decade, only eclipsed by the super defense we had last season because we were loaded with Porter's seniors on defense.

It's a rebuilding year on defense and we all knew we would struggle defensively this after losing so much talent. Even so, it's the best defense we've fielded the second best defense we have had in ten years.

The biggest weakness on our defense is the DB's. Which is actually what I was referring to. Our run game has not been bad at all. The DL and LB's can actually get away with the "young and inexperienced" excuse, because while they're not elite, they are solid with minimal mistakes. The defensive backfield, though, is just plain horrid. And it's not just a lack of talent, but they are also confused and unorganized 90% of the time. And that's on the coaches.

We are not good on sweeps doe. I think our ends or outside backers are struggling with this

I think it's primarily due to our lack of speed at the OLB positions. Nothing that Prevost and a quality JUCO signee can't fix for next season.

I wonder if Sam Craft could put on 10-15 pounds and play OLB. Too good of an athlete to not be on the field somewhere.

Why is he always hurt?

(11-16-2015 01:23 PM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 12:36 PM)mewes Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:08 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:03 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 10:45 AM)Cletus Wrote:  And how many of them were still around on the roster when Fuente took over?

Because we were so shorthanded with a lack of scholarship players for the first couple of years.




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Pretty much every guy that made our defense as good as it was last year was a Porter guy.

And pretty much every guy that made our offense as good as it is a Fuente guy.

Nobody is questioning his offense coaching ability. All I was saying is that he should try to recruit better defensive players. After we losses all of the defensive talent last year he didn't replace it with equal or better talent. He also needs to replace his DC.

So your belief is that he is consciously choosing to not recruit better defensive players?

One thing I know about recruiting is that sometimes when you recruit three star and above players sometimes those players want to be "courted" and told how great they are. Some even want to be assured of playing time. It seems to me that CJF doesn't get into that. It seems like he wants guys who want to be coached and will work hard. Now that's all well and good But you also gotta put guys on the field that can play and play at a high level. I just don't see a lot of talent on the defensive side of the ball. The DLine is ok and the secondary is slow. I don't think anyone will argue that porter is a better recruiter he brought pretty good talent to memphis. He bright in mainly three star classes. Fuente will win 10 games in back to back seasons we are building great facilities as well. So I find it hard to believe we can't bring in similar talent.

(11-16-2015 02:12 PM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 02:02 PM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 01:56 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 01:31 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 01:24 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Not quite. The defensive numbers look terrible because of the number of plays run per game, but the defensive stats that tell the tale are the ones that aren't reliant on the numbers snaps (like total yards, pass yards, total TOs, etc.). Instead, we've got to look at efficiency stats.

This year we're 71st in defensive efficiency (really bad), but in the past we've been:

2014- 30th
2013 -71st (with a lower overall score)
2012- 78th
2011- 114th
2010- 114th
2009- 94th
2008- 92nd
2007- 117th
2006- 115th
2005- 84th

So the actual stats show the complete opposite of what you claim: this season's defense is actually the second best we've had in the past decade, only eclipsed by the super defense we had last season because we were loaded with Porter's seniors on defense.

It's a rebuilding year on defense and we all knew we would struggle defensively this after losing so much talent. Even so, it's the best defense we've fielded the second best defense we have had in ten years.

The biggest weakness on our defense is the DB's. Which is actually what I was referring to. Our run game has not been bad at all. The DL and LB's can actually get away with the "young and inexperienced" excuse, because while they're not elite, they are solid with minimal mistakes. The defensive backfield, though, is just plain horrid. And it's not just a lack of talent, but they are also confused and unorganized 90% of the time. And that's on the coaches.

We are not good on sweeps doe. I think our ends or outside backers are struggling with this

I think it's primarily due to our lack of speed at the OLB positions. Nothing that Prevost and a quality JUCO signee can't fix for next season.

I wonder if Sam Craft could put on 10-15 pounds and play OLB. Too good of an athlete to not be on the field somewhere.

Why is he always hurt?

Yep ........ I was just thinking the same thing.

(11-15-2015 09:05 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 02:02 AM)mewes Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 01:54 AM)bakins Wrote:  delusional

What happens when a hard working two star goes up against a hard working three star.

What was Lynch, a 2 star? How about Elliot, Cross, Miller, Tank? Dumbest post of the day week month year.

I thought most of Porter's recruits all left? I think having a new coordinator and 8 new starters is the bigger issue than how many stars a player has. It's about development. If and when Fuente leaves when need to find another coach with the same mindset. As for an example of higher ranked players feeling "entitled" look no further than the Dotson kid from White Station. He didn't bother to show up for the first workout. He's at what UT Martin now?

(11-16-2015 03:34 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  I thought most of Porter's recruits all left? I think having a new coordinator and 8 new starters is the bigger issue than how many stars a player has. It's about development. If and when Fuente leaves when need to find another coach with the same mindset. As for an example of higher ranked players feeling "entitled" look no further than the Dotson kid from White Station. He didn't bother to show up for the first workout. He's at what UT Martin now?

Dotson went to whitehaven and he's at Murray state.

(11-16-2015 03:34 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  I thought most of Porter's recruits all left? I think having a new coordinator and 8 new starters is the bigger issue than how many stars a player has. It's about development. If and when Fuente leaves when need to find another coach with the same mindset. As for an example of higher ranked players feeling "entitled" look no further than the Dotson kid from White Station. He didn't bother to show up for the first workout. He's at what UT Martin now?

Whitehaven I believe, certainly not White Station. Don't soil the Spartans.

#WHITEHOUSE

(11-16-2015 03:41 PM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 03:34 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  I thought most of Porter's recruits all left? I think having a new coordinator and 8 new starters is the bigger issue than how many stars a player has. It's about development. If and when Fuente leaves when need to find another coach with the same mindset. As for an example of higher ranked players feeling "entitled" look no further than the Dotson kid from White Station. He didn't bother to show up for the first workout. He's at what UT Martin now?

Whitehaven I believe, certainly not White Station. Don't soil the Spartans.

#WHITEHOUSE

Dayum I need to get out of this basement!!!



Mommy!!!!!!!!!

(11-16-2015 03:39 PM)mewes Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 03:34 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  I thought most of Porter's recruits all left? I think having a new coordinator and 8 new starters is the bigger issue than how many stars a player has. It's about development. If and when Fuente leaves when need to find another coach with the same mindset. As for an example of higher ranked players feeling "entitled" look no further than the Dotson kid from White Station. He didn't bother to show up for the first workout. He's at what UT Martin now?

Dotson went to whitehaven and he's at Murray state.

Dodson went to whitehaven. He's now at Murray state. There are still porter players on this roster. Regis Ball, Rickey Hunter, #58, and if I'm not mistaken Alan cross redshirted porters last year. Porter couldn't coach but he was a pretty good recruiter.

It may not be a popular opinion, but I agree with mewes here...


I give CJF a ton of credit because he deserves a ton of credit. What he's been able to do here is amazing. Yes, Porter recruited better talent & Fuente benefited from that, but let's not act like he was given a loaded roster. The roster, even with Porter's players, lacked depth and legit talent. Fuente has gotten the most out of it and that's a sign of a great coach. He deserves the benefit of the doubt ...

That being said, as we continue to make moves - we really need more talent. Doesn't have to be 4 stars, but more 3s than 2s and don't rely on walkons so heavily. It's okay to recognize his success with less, but that shouldn't be the MO going forward. Especially if we get in the Big 12 (the problem will likely fix itself then though)

(11-16-2015 04:00 PM)mewes Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 03:39 PM)mewes Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 03:34 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  I thought most of Porter's recruits all left? I think having a new coordinator and 8 new starters is the bigger issue than how many stars a player has. It's about development. If and when Fuente leaves when need to find another coach with the same mindset. As for an example of higher ranked players feeling "entitled" look no further than the Dotson kid from White Station. He didn't bother to show up for the first workout. He's at what UT Martin now?

Dotson went to whitehaven and he's at Murray state.

Dodson went to whitehaven. He's now at Murray state. There are still porter players on this roster. Regis Ball, Rickey Hunter, #58, and if I'm not mistaken Alan cross redshirted porters last year. Porter couldn't coach but he was a pretty good recruiter.

Whitehaven White Station. Like Hillary says what dfference does t make!!!!!

(11-16-2015 04:00 PM)mewes Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 03:39 PM)mewes Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 03:34 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  I thought most of Porter's recruits all left? I think having a new coordinator and 8 new starters is the bigger issue than how many stars a player has. It's about development. If and when Fuente leaves when need to find another coach with the same mindset. As for an example of higher ranked players feeling "entitled" look no further than the Dotson kid from White Station. He didn't bother to show up for the first workout. He's at what UT Martin now?

Dotson went to whitehaven and he's at Murray state.

Dodson went to whitehaven. He's now at Murray state. There are still porter players on this roster. Regis Ball, Rickey Hunter, #58, and if I'm not mistaken Alan cross redshirted porters last year. Porter couldn't coach but he was a pretty good recruiter.

Well since he didn't give Cross a scholly how good a recruiter was he? And Ball and Hunter ain't exactly all that. Hey I'm not saying your wrong but I think it's just that the D is inexperienced just like the offense was 2 years ago.

(11-16-2015 04:27 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 04:00 PM)mewes Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 03:39 PM)mewes Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 03:34 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  I thought most of Porter's recruits all left? I think having a new coordinator and 8 new starters is the bigger issue than how many stars a player has. It's about development. If and when Fuente leaves when need to find another coach with the same mindset. As for an example of higher ranked players feeling "entitled" look no further than the Dotson kid from White Station. He didn't bother to show up for the first workout. He's at what UT Martin now?

Dotson went to whitehaven and he's at Murray state.

Dodson went to whitehaven. He's now at Murray state. There are still porter players on this roster. Regis Ball, Rickey Hunter, #58, and if I'm not mistaken Alan cross redshirted porters last year. Porter couldn't coach but he was a pretty good recruiter.

Well since he didn't give Cross a scholly how good a recruiter was he? And Ball and Hunter ain't exactly all that. Hey I'm not saying your wrong but I think it's just that the D is inexperienced just like the offense was 2 years ago.

This is beside the point, but I love Cross' story. Walked on as a long snapper. Ended up 3rd string long snapper. Then he started running scout team tight end for the hell of it, and the rest is history.

(11-15-2015 08:34 PM)tigerscane Wrote:  Yeah ok Let's look at Porter's recruiting shall we he Signed QB's Andy Summerlin and Ryan Williams and They aren't near as good as Paxton Lynch, Brady Davis, Clay Holgerson...He signed Johnnie Farms, Jerrell Rhodes, Corey Jones and well do i need say more....He Signed Taurean Nixon, Reggie Travis who were not that good and transfered out as did others like Todd Washington and Devin Clark....Yes he got a few right in Redden, Ifedi, and McCain but he had too many who couldn't get in and ones the were Over rated.....The a diamond in the rough athlete turned WR Kevin Wright got hurt and just couldn't stay healthy.....So when the ones realized how bad it was and Transfered out or just couldn't make it in they never came back.....Now With General Justin Fuente, now take Travon Tate who didn't make it in or Keenan Davis who wasn't gonna make it in, yet they gray shirted and sat out and worked on getting in....Walk-ons who sometimes get over looked....Now some of our Walk-ons turned out and are turning out better than some recruits Porter got.... What ever happened to Todd Washington or Taurean Nixon, Or Reggie Travis, Or what about Ryan Williams, well he transfered to Miami and well you see how that ended up....You keep going by stars and thats good sometimes but they are Overrated most of the time....You remember Fred Harvery from White Station, who just quit Football....You also have to have Character my man....Both Ryan Williams and Andy Summerlin were 3 stars coming out and Clay Hoolgerson was a 2 star but i hate to tell ya Holgerson is better than both them 2 and he isn't as good as Lynch and Davis but darn good he is.....Khalil Johnson was a 2 star out of Dallas TX and i'm telling you that kid is a Beast, as is Joseph Prevost.....Coach General Justin Fuente and our Staff know what they are doing....And Ricky Hunley and General Justin Fuente are all over Devron Davis and PJ Hall.....They know what they are doing.....The World Is Ours Memphis....