(07-14-2015 04:12 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:02 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 02:50 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 02:16 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 01:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I am truly puzzled by the disrespect given to Gasol. I cannot fathom the reasons for it.

I don't see how the OP is showing "disrespect" to Gasol. He's just stating an opinion, grounded in a sobering reality. Gasol has shown in his time here to be a good to great center, but he is by no means dominant. Typically, the max contracts were reserved for those truly dominant players that teams could build around and contend for a title. Gasol has shown that he's not such a player, in spite of his individual accolades. Again, I'm puzzled as to why so many here think that Gasol is the answer, when he has proven time and time again that he, by himself, is not.

If the Grizz had a legit 22-25 pts/gm scorer on the wing , then Gasol is a great center to have, and the Grizz would have as good a shot as anyone else to win a ring. As the Grizz are currently built, they need more wing scoring and bench depth. With those glaring holes, the fact that they had to max Gasol is telling.

Gasol was highly coveted by other NBA teams that would have been quite happy to pay him the max. Griz management agreed to the deal. The experts fully respect his ability. Either they are wrong or his detractors are wrong. Let the reader decide. I know which side is more fully informed.

Teams desperate for talent and flush with cash coveted Marc.

Marc is not a game changer. I think you guys think he is. I'm a fan, but stop acting like Marc will be in the Hall of Fame one day.

Marc is Vlade Divac when you guys act like he's Kareem.

If Marc had the supporting cast that Vlade did, he would be a Hall of Famer.

I think you are mistaken... Vlade was part of the supporting cast.

If you put Gasol next to in his prime Chris Webber, then you'd probably be right.

But what happens when ZBo is on fumes and we don't have a star power forward?

I still opine this is a dumb thread. What would the OP expect the Grizz to do? Gasol is a max player in today's NBA...it's as simple as that. Having Gasol locked up allows Grizz the flexibility to meddle with the roster down the line, and still be a PO caliber team.

(07-14-2015 01:15 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  I know, I know...

Marc earned that contract because someone would have given it to him, he is beloved, key to the Grizzlies' success on offense and defense, and arguably the most important player on the team.

But a max contract for a guy who averaged 18 points, 8 rebounds, and 4 assists.

I think that around year four of the contract, and Z-Bo is either gone or washed up, we are gonna look at Marc Gasol being the highest paid player on the team and think WTF. Much like when Rudy Gay was. Economic realities of the NBA.

I love Marc. But he isn't great. He is a very good starting center that cannot carry the team on his back. I agree it had to be done, but I said the same thing about Rudy's deal. We better hope Jarnell Stokes or Jarell Martin becomes a Draymond Green level surprise. Otherwise, when we hope Gasol can carry the frontcourt on his own, we are going to be very disappointed.

You know what makes me feel icky? Vernon said the Grizz had to draft Green in 2012. It's never good to have Verno right.

We aren't adding young talent because we don't get high draft picks. If we don't make great late 1st round and 2nd round picks and sign diamonds in the rough like TA in free agency, we will be playoff bridemaids for the rest of the decade.

Prob the most ignorant post I have seen on any board ever. Marc deserves every penny we can give him. U have lost your mind if u really believe that and don't understand anything about basketball. Marc is the best center in the league. First team all NBA!! He is the centerpiece to a perennial contender in the West. Because of Marc players actually want to come to Memphis and stay in Memphis. Marc signing all but guarantees Conley will re sign. Other free agents want to play with Marc so it goes way beyond numbers. His presence on the court, his leadership and toughness is the identity of the team without Marc we are a borderline playoff team with no shot to win anything with Marc we have a chance every year to contend and it's a legitimate shot not a pipe dream. Marc will go down as one of if not the greatest player in Grizz history and his number will hang from the rafters. To suggest he is overpaid is perhaps the most uninformed, ridiculous thing I have ever heard. He is underpaid for what he does for this team and this city. I cannot believe someone would actually utter something so ignorant and simply say because his numbers aren't good? Marc means as much to Memphis as Lebron means to Cleveland. He makes us relevant and gives us a superstar and in a small market that is very hard to find so to get him to stay and turn down all those big market teams is one of the greatest things to ever happen in the history of Memphis sports. This is a great run and it will go on now for another five years. The is no price tag on how much Gasol means to this team and this city. Pay him as much as they let you and it's still not enough. U can't take for granted this team and these years they don't happen often this is a special team and Marc is a special player they don't come around that often and if they do they leave like his brother so Marc staying is as big to a Memphis as Lebron going back to Cleveland.

(07-14-2015 03:19 AM)spankadelphia Wrote:  Umm I'm going to disagree with most of that. Gasol is 30 years old and, suffice to say, has met his ceiling. I don't see him further increasing his scoring output. And have you seen Marc play when Zbo's not around? Sheesh. The Grizz can't buy a rebound.

You people are clueless. Marc Gasol is first team all NBA. The best center in the league. Marc does so many things that don't show up in the statline. He is our leader and everything runs through him. He is the best passing big man in the league. He has an inside game can knock down outside jumpers at a high pct. He is a great free throw shooter. He was defensive player of the year. The guy has no weaknesses. He will go down as the greatest Grizzly of all time not even close. I'm really not following these ignorant comments. On top of all his greatness on the court he is a humble great guy who people want to play with so free agents will come to Memphis to play with him. Conley will re sign because of Marc. There is no amount of money too high to pay Gasol. He deserves whatever we can give him.

(07-14-2015 10:18 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:06 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  Seller's market.

It's the economic realities of the NBA.

Does anyone actually believe Marc is a franchise player who can lead a team to the playoffs single-handedly?

Heck No!

I agree with you Lat. The Grizz found themselves in the "Rudy Zone" again with Gasol. They had to max him because of the way the team was built, but no way is he the cornerstone of a title contender. For everyone that is saying he's the best center in the NBA, ALL NBA 1st team, etc., he was shut down by Draymont Green in the GSW series. Green is a 6'6" Stretch 4 and Gasol couldn't post him up. That told me all I needed to know about Gasol. He's a great complimentary piece, but until the Grizz get a bonafide 22pts/gm scorer, the 2nd round in the playoffs is the ceiling for this team. Gasol alone is not going to bring you a ring.

Unbelievable. You people do not understand basketball if u really believe this nonsense. I prob have a good idea as to why u two people feel this way and that's pretty sad. Obviously u have never watched a game or understand the game at all. Without Marc we are I'm rebuild mode. When he was hurt the year before what happened? His impact on a game is irreplaceable. Had Marc not resigned we are an eight seed every year and missing the playoffs some years. With Marc we are legitimate title contenders every year. Even Draymond Green said Memphis was their toughest series. We win that series we win the title. I really hope you two are kids or just trying to get a rise out people otherwise I'm blown away at the ignorance.

(07-14-2015 11:38 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  I wish there was a way that the Grizz could swing a trade : Marc Gasol for Demarcus Cousins Straight up. I think that Boogie could get his against Draymont Green.

I think that would be the dumbest trade to ever happen. Demarcus is not a winner cares nothing about winning just wants to get his numbers. He is a crybaby. He doesn't compete when things don't go his way. He is not a leader. He is bad defensively. He is a terrible locker room guy nobody wants to play with him. He's just a bad guy not someone u want on your team which is why George Karl wants to trade him. He gives up plays and doesn't play hard. As long as he gets his shots and all the calls go his way he's fine but if not then he acts like a two year old. No thanks. It's not even close who is the better player and fit.

(07-15-2015 12:19 AM)jason80 Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:19 AM)spankadelphia Wrote:  Umm I'm going to disagree with most of that. Gasol is 30 years old and, suffice to say, has met his ceiling. I don't see him further increasing his scoring output. And have you seen Marc play when Zbo's not around? Sheesh. The Grizz can't buy a rebound.

You people are clueless. Marc Gasol is first team all NBA. The best center in the league. Marc does so many things that don't show up in the statline. He is our leader and everything runs through him. He is the best passing big man in the league. He has an inside game can knock down outside jumpers at a high pct. He is a great free throw shooter. He was defensive player of the year. The guy has no weaknesses. He will go down as the greatest Grizzly of all time not even close. I'm really not following these ignorant comments. On top of all his greatness on the court he is a humble great guy who people want to play with so free agents will come to Memphis to play with him. Conley will re sign because of Marc. There is no amount of money too high to pay Gasol. He deserves whatever we can give him.

It is incredible seeing unfair criticism toward a key player contributing to the Griz outstanding success the last five years. I guess Tony Allen is next on the hit list.

(07-15-2015 12:19 AM)jason80 Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:19 AM)spankadelphia Wrote:  Umm I'm going to disagree with most of that. Gasol is 30 years old and, suffice to say, has met his ceiling. I don't see him further increasing his scoring output. And have you seen Marc play when Zbo's not around? Sheesh. The Grizz can't buy a rebound.

You people are clueless. Marc Gasol is first team all NBA. The best center in the league. Marc does so many things that don't show up in the statline. He is our leader and everything runs through him. He is the best passing big man in the league. He has an inside game can knock down outside jumpers at a high pct. He is a great free throw shooter. He was defensive player of the year. The guy has no weaknesses. He will go down as the greatest Grizzly of all time not even close. I'm really not following these ignorant comments. On top of all his greatness on the court he is a humble great guy who people want to play with so free agents will come to Memphis to play with him. Conley will re sign because of Marc. There is no amount of money too high to pay Gasol. He deserves whatever we can give him.

...and that is my only point.

He needs to show in in the MOST IMPORTANT games and PRODUCE.

The series vs. GSW was 1-1 and then he went into a tailspin for 4 games. Shot a horrible 36% from the field and was continually frustrated by a guy half a foot shorter and 30 pounds lighter.

1st Team All-NBA. Look around and see who's getting max money. Marc deserved it more than anyone.

As many have mentioned, this will look nothing like a max contract in 2-3 years.

First Team All NBA getting the max BEFORE the TV deal hits is overpaid? This is one of the more ridiculous positions I've seen on the Grizz board. Especially a few days after Kanter got the max.

(07-14-2015 02:56 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 02:21 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 02:16 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 01:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I am truly puzzled by the disrespect given to Gasol. I cannot fathom the reasons for it.

I don't see how the OP is showing "disrespect" to Gasol. He's just stating an opinion, grounded in a sobering reality. Gasol has shown in his time here to be a good to great center, but he is by no means dominant. Typically, the max contracts were reserved for those truly dominant players that teams could build around and contend for a title. Gasol has shown that he's not such a player, in spite of his individual accolades. Again, I'm puzzled as to why so many here think that Gasol is the answer, when he has proven time and time again that he, by himself, is not.

If the Grizz had a legit 22-25 pts/gm scorer on the wing , then Gasol is a great center to have, and the Grizz would have as good a shot as anyone else to win a ring. As the Grizz are currently built, they need more wing scoring and bench depth. With those glaring holes, the fact that they had to max Gasol is telling.

What is telling is that you don't know what is going on with the tv contract and the salary cap. The salary cap is at $63 million and will probably go up $25 million after this year. Gasol left a lot of money on the table by not signing a 1 year deal. The contract will look like a bargain when the salary cap hits $100 million in 2018.

You realize that Gasol is getting a percentage of the cap so it doesn't matter how high the cap goes, he still will be that same chunk of the cap.

Him making $30 million of a $100 million cap is 30% of the cap.

Who gives a ****? 20 teams would have paid him the max.

(07-15-2015 09:29 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 12:19 AM)jason80 Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 03:19 AM)spankadelphia Wrote:  Umm I'm going to disagree with most of that. Gasol is 30 years old and, suffice to say, has met his ceiling. I don't see him further increasing his scoring output. And have you seen Marc play when Zbo's not around? Sheesh. The Grizz can't buy a rebound.

You people are clueless. Marc Gasol is first team all NBA. The best center in the league. Marc does so many things that don't show up in the statline. He is our leader and everything runs through him. He is the best passing big man in the league. He has an inside game can knock down outside jumpers at a high pct. He is a great free throw shooter. He was defensive player of the year. The guy has no weaknesses. He will go down as the greatest Grizzly of all time not even close. I'm really not following these ignorant comments. On top of all his greatness on the court he is a humble great guy who people want to play with so free agents will come to Memphis to play with him. Conley will re sign because of Marc. There is no amount of money too high to pay Gasol. He deserves whatever we can give him.

...and that is my only point.

He needs to show in in the MOST IMPORTANT games and PRODUCE.

The series vs. GSW was 1-1 and then he went into a tailspin for 4 games. Shot a horrible 36% from the field and was continually frustrated by a guy half a foot shorter and 30 pounds lighter.

That is what happens when you settle for outside shots against someone who is quicker than you and can jump higher than you. Two advantages that you can quickly turn around by getting your ass under the basket; not moving and either making 3' shots or getting your smaller opponent to foul you.

(07-15-2015 12:03 AM)jason80 Wrote:  Prob the most ignorant post I have seen on any board ever. Marc deserves every penny we can give him. U have lost your mind if u really believe that and don't understand anything about basketball. Marc is the best center in the league. First team all NBA!! He is the centerpiece to a perennial contender in the West. Because of Marc players actually want to come to Memphis and stay in Memphis. Marc signing all but guarantees Conley will re sign. Other free agents want to play with Marc so it goes way beyond numbers. His presence on the court, his leadership and toughness is the identity of the team without Marc we are a borderline playoff team with no shot to win anything with Marc we have a chance every year to contend and it's a legitimate shot not a pipe dream. Marc will go down as one of if not the greatest player in Grizz history and his number will hang from the rafters. To suggest he is overpaid is perhaps the most uninformed, ridiculous thing I have ever heard. He is underpaid for what he does for this team and this city. I cannot believe someone would actually utter something so ignorant and simply say because his numbers aren't good? Marc means as much to Memphis as Lebron means to Cleveland. He makes us relevant and gives us a superstar and in a small market that is very hard to find so to get him to stay and turn down all those big market teams is one of the greatest things to ever happen in the history of Memphis sports. This is a great run and it will go on now for another five years. The is no price tag on how much Gasol means to this team and this city. Pay him as much as they let you and it's still not enough. U can't take for granted this team and these years they don't happen often this is a special team and Marc is a special player they don't come around that often and if they do they leave like his brother so Marc staying is as big to a Memphis as Lebron going back to Cleveland.

How long have you been an NBA fan? I'm guessing not long.

Marc being first team all NBA is quite the accomplishment. But who did he beat out? Dwight Howard? Joakim Noah? Andrew Bogut? Brook Lopez? Deandre Jordan?

Dude... That's the greatest line-up of mediocre centers ever. All are good. But with the NBA having a lull of franchise quality centers, they are the cream of the crop.

Demarcus Cousins might not have Marc's maturity and leadership, but that dude can dominate a game in a way Marc never could.

Anthony Davis will be a first ballot Hall of Famer when its all said and done.

Marc is not going to the Hall of Fame (unless the Grizz go on a run of championships). Marc is not leading us to a championship with the current talent on the team. Marc is not as good as Pau was and Zach's best years were more dominating than Marc.

Marc is a piece to the puzzle. He isn't the whole picture.

He is not Lebron. Lebron single-handedly got the Cavs to the Finals. Marc does not have that level of talent.

I love Marc as a homegrown star. But to me, he's more like Mike Conley in his impact. Mike Conley is an all-star quality player, but he is not a hall of famer either. If they both stayed in Memphis for their career, they both deserve to have their jerseys retired by the Grizzlies.

If you don't understand my point, fine. But if you think Pau Gasol left, I guess you haven't been a Grizzlies fan long.

Pau Gasol was traded to the Lakers (the trade which included Marc's rights). The fans wanted him gone a year or two before he was actually traded.

Why? Because he was "overpaid." The expectation was that if Pau was getting a maximum salary, he should have been good enough to make the Grizzlies winners on his own. So fans were booing him. He asked for a trade when Memphians were calling for his head.

Just like fans were complaining about Rudy's max deal.

So if the Grizzlies fall off in a couple years (which is completely possible if everyone else in the Western Conference stays even - other than the Blazers - and the Pelicans and Twolves grow to their potential), and Marc and Mike are missing the playoffs with mediocre season records, Grizz fans are going to turn on Marc. If you don't think it's possible, you don't know Memphis.

Marc got what he deserved. The Grizzlies had to give it to him.

Marc's ability just isn't on the level that a maximum salary guy should be on. And those are the realities of today's NBA.

Marc gets graded on a sub-par NBA centers curve.

Quote:I have never rated anyone but this is the dumbest thing I have ever heard so sorry but your post is that bad and I really can't believe u have the nerve to say that and the compare him to Rudy Gay? Please I hope you are a kid.

I'm an adult. I've been a Grizzlies fan since day one. I've been a Marc fan ever since he won me over his rookie year by not backing down to Shaq when Shaq got in his grill. So if you don't know your Grizzlies history when people were excited Rudy was kept because the Nets were willing to pay him, then you just can't understand.

What's your suggestion Lat? What's your point? Not offer Marc the salary he was offered especially knowing that he could have actually made more if he had just taken a 1 yr deal and wait till the cap goes up next year. He got offered the market value. Your argument about 1st team all nba is redundant. He at least beat out a stud in Cousins and he was voted in by the fans. He's not a cornerstone player but he's worth the max contract he got just as Conley will be worth the max contract next year.

If you are a Grizz fan, be relaxed that we have a star player at the Center position locked in for the next half decade and other solid starter-level players around him. We have contracts coming off out book next year and even after maxing Conley, we can offer another veteran 7-8 star player the max ($26M on average pr yr). It'll be interesting to see if someone like Durant would be interested.

A max contract is just not the big deal that it used to be.

(07-14-2015 02:56 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 02:21 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 02:16 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 01:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I am truly puzzled by the disrespect given to Gasol. I cannot fathom the reasons for it.

I don't see how the OP is showing "disrespect" to Gasol. He's just stating an opinion, grounded in a sobering reality. Gasol has shown in his time here to be a good to great center, but he is by no means dominant. Typically, the max contracts were reserved for those truly dominant players that teams could build around and contend for a title. Gasol has shown that he's not such a player, in spite of his individual accolades. Again, I'm puzzled as to why so many here think that Gasol is the answer, when he has proven time and time again that he, by himself, is not.

If the Grizz had a legit 22-25 pts/gm scorer on the wing , then Gasol is a great center to have, and the Grizz would have as good a shot as anyone else to win a ring. As the Grizz are currently built, they need more wing scoring and bench depth. With those glaring holes, the fact that they had to max Gasol is telling.

What is telling is that you don't know what is going on with the tv contract and the salary cap. The salary cap is at $63 million and will probably go up $25 million after this year. Gasol left a lot of money on the table by not signing a 1 year deal. The contract will look like a bargain when the salary cap hits $100 million in 2018.

You realize that Gasol is getting a percentage of the cap so it doesn't matter how high the cap goes, he still will be that same chunk of the cap.

Him making $30 million of a $100 million cap is 30% of the cap.

A max contract is fixed to 30% of the salary cap when he signed with a 7.5% raise every year. In 2 years when the salary cap goes up astronomically he will only be making $22.6M not $30M. In his 5th year he will be making almost $26M.

Here's the scale:
2015-2016 - $19,689,000
2016-2017 - $21,165,675
2017-2018 - $22,642,350
2018-2019 - $24,119,025
2019-2020 - $25,595,700

So if the salary cap goes up to $108M in 2017-2018 (it might actually be a little higher) then Gasol would only be getting about 21% compared to the cap.

(07-15-2015 11:35 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 12:03 AM)jason80 Wrote:  Prob the most ignorant post I have seen on any board ever. Marc deserves every penny we can give him. U have lost your mind if u really believe that and don't understand anything about basketball. Marc is the best center in the league. First team all NBA!! He is the centerpiece to a perennial contender in the West. Because of Marc players actually want to come to Memphis and stay in Memphis. Marc signing all but guarantees Conley will re sign. Other free agents want to play with Marc so it goes way beyond numbers. His presence on the court, his leadership and toughness is the identity of the team without Marc we are a borderline playoff team with no shot to win anything with Marc we have a chance every year to contend and it's a legitimate shot not a pipe dream. Marc will go down as one of if not the greatest player in Grizz history and his number will hang from the rafters. To suggest he is overpaid is perhaps the most uninformed, ridiculous thing I have ever heard. He is underpaid for what he does for this team and this city. I cannot believe someone would actually utter something so ignorant and simply say because his numbers aren't good? Marc means as much to Memphis as Lebron means to Cleveland. He makes us relevant and gives us a superstar and in a small market that is very hard to find so to get him to stay and turn down all those big market teams is one of the greatest things to ever happen in the history of Memphis sports. This is a great run and it will go on now for another five years. The is no price tag on how much Gasol means to this team and this city. Pay him as much as they let you and it's still not enough. U can't take for granted this team and these years they don't happen often this is a special team and Marc is a special player they don't come around that often and if they do they leave like his brother so Marc staying is as big to a Memphis as Lebron going back to Cleveland.

How long have you been an NBA fan? I'm guessing not long.

Marc being first team all NBA is quite the accomplishment. But who did he beat out? Dwight Howard? Joakim Noah? Andrew Bogut? Brook Lopez? Deandre Jordan?

Dude... That's the greatest line-up of mediocre centers ever. All are good. But with the NBA having a lull of franchise quality centers, they are the cream of the crop.

Demarcus Cousins might not have Marc's maturity and leadership, but that dude can dominate a game in a way Marc never could.

Anthony Davis will be a first ballot Hall of Famer when its all said and done.

Marc is not going to the Hall of Fame (unless the Grizz go on a run of championships). Marc is not leading us to a championship with the current talent on the team. Marc is not as good as Pau was and Zach's best years were more dominating than Marc.

Marc is a piece to the puzzle. He isn't the whole picture.

He is not Lebron. Lebron single-handedly got the Cavs to the Finals. Marc does not have that level of talent.

I love Marc as a homegrown star. But to me, he's more like Mike Conley in his impact. Mike Conley is an all-star quality player, but he is not a hall of famer either. If they both stayed in Memphis for their career, they both deserve to have their jerseys retired by the Grizzlies.

If you don't understand my point, fine. But if you think Pau Gasol left, I guess you haven't been a Grizzlies fan long.

Pau Gasol was traded to the Lakers (the trade which included Marc's rights). The fans wanted him gone a year or two before he was actually traded.

Why? Because he was "overpaid." The expectation was that if Pau was getting a maximum salary, he should have been good enough to make the Grizzlies winners on his own. So fans were booing him. He asked for a trade when Memphians were calling for his head.

Just like fans were complaining about Rudy's max deal.

So if the Grizzlies fall off in a couple years (which is completely possible if everyone else in the Western Conference stays even - other than the Blazers - and the Pelicans and Twolves grow to their potential), and Marc and Mike are missing the playoffs with mediocre season records, Grizz fans are going to turn on Marc. If you don't think it's possible, you don't know Memphis.

Marc got what he deserved. The Grizzlies had to give it to him.

Marc's ability just isn't on the level that a maximum salary guy should be on. And those are the realities of today's NBA.

Marc gets graded on a sub-par NBA centers curve.

Quote:I have never rated anyone but this is the dumbest thing I have ever heard so sorry but your post is that bad and I really can't believe u have the nerve to say that and the compare him to Rudy Gay? Please I hope you are a kid.

I'm an adult. I've been a Grizzlies fan since day one. I've been a Marc fan ever since he won me over his rookie year by not backing down to Shaq when Shaq got in his grill. So if you don't know your Grizzlies history when people were excited Rudy was kept because the Nets were willing to pay him, then you just can't understand.

I've been a fan of the NBA for thirty years. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. If u can read I wasn't comparing Lebron to Marc in terms of ability I was comparing them in how much they each mean to their teams. Marc means everything to Memphis. He keeps us relevant and we have a shot each year to win at the highest level. I disagree that he is not a centerpiece that can bring u a title. If we stay healthy and improve our outside shooting we have a legit shot to make a run. I really can't believe on such a positive day when we lock up the best center in the league for another five years which ensures that Conley will return as well that there is so much negativity towards such a great player. I mean there are lots of things to be negative about in this city when it comes to sports but Marc Gasol getting a max contract is definitely not one of them.

By the way Pau was traded because he made it clear he wanted out and was not happy here so yeah he was traded but their hand was forced.

(07-15-2015 01:20 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  What's your suggestion Lat? What's your point? Not offer Marc the salary he was offered especially knowing that he could have actually made more if he had just taken a 1 yr deal and wait till the cap goes up next year. He got offered the market value. Your argument about 1st team all nba is redundant. He at least beat out a stud in Cousins and he was voted in by the fans. He's not a cornerstone player but he's worth the max contract he got just as Conley will be worth the max contract next year.

If you are a Grizz fan, be relaxed that we have a star player at the Center position locked in for the next half decade and other solid starter-level players around him. We have contracts coming off out book next year and even after maxing Conley, we can offer another veteran 7-8 star player the max ($26M on average pr yr). It'll be interesting to see if someone like Durant would be interested.

No suggestion. Grizz had to do what they had to do.

And the point was the thought.

(07-15-2015 03:33 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 01:20 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  What's your suggestion Lat? What's your point? Not offer Marc the salary he was offered especially knowing that he could have actually made more if he had just taken a 1 yr deal and wait till the cap goes up next year. He got offered the market value. Your argument about 1st team all nba is redundant. He at least beat out a stud in Cousins and he was voted in by the fans. He's not a cornerstone player but he's worth the max contract he got just as Conley will be worth the max contract next year.

If you are a Grizz fan, be relaxed that we have a star player at the Center position locked in for the next half decade and other solid starter-level players around him. We have contracts coming off out book next year and even after maxing Conley, we can offer another veteran 7-8 star player the max ($26M on average pr yr). It'll be interesting to see if someone like Durant would be interested.

No suggestion. Grizz had to do what they had to do.

And the point was the thought.

SMH

What are your thoughts now on our frugal owner since you have been so anti-Pera but then get quite during the season?