I know, I know...
Marc earned that contract because someone would have given it to him, he is beloved, key to the Grizzlies' success on offense and defense, and arguably the most important player on the team.
But a max contract for a guy who averaged 18 points, 8 rebounds, and 4 assists.
I think that around year four of the contract, and Z-Bo is either gone or washed up, we are gonna look at Marc Gasol being the highest paid player on the team and think WTF. Much like when Rudy Gay was. Economic realities of the NBA.
I love Marc. But he isn't great. He is a very good starting center that cannot carry the team on his back. I agree it had to be done, but I said the same thing about Rudy's deal. We better hope Jarnell Stokes or Jarell Martin becomes a Draymond Green level surprise. Otherwise, when we hope Gasol can carry the frontcourt on his own, we are going to be very disappointed.
You know what makes me feel icky? Vernon said the Grizz had to draft Green in 2012. It's never good to have Verno right.
We aren't adding young talent because we don't get high draft picks. If we don't make great late 1st round and 2nd round picks and sign diamonds in the rough like TA in free agency, we will be playoff bridemaids for the rest of the decade.
yawn
With the salary cap going up next year, Marc's salary for the next 5 years will seem normal. Heck Deandre makes the same per season with his new contract.
Look around and the money being doled out to role players is insane. Marc, a 1st teamer, an all star starter, a defensive player of the year, and the best center in the world deserves the contract he got.
He really did the Grizz a solid by signing a 5 year max extension now as opposed to doing a deal with an opt out clause to cash in on the new cap next year. I think his prior injury weighed on his mind when he made this decision. He decided to take the years/security now. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, so to speak. Glad it worked out for the Grizz.
If you can't see the budding star Marc Gasol is you are not a basketball person or you just haven't watched much Grizz basketball. His numbers are deflated because he plays with another top 10 big man in zbo. Both of their numbers are deflated because of the other. And they have the stats they do have without a perimeter offense to draw defenders out. If the Grizz will ever get some outside shooting then defenses will not be able to sag. In the GSW series they sagged on him even off the ball. The typical basketball fan keeps his eyes on the ball at all times and doesn't watch the game within a game. Every team sags on the Grizz bigs off the ball. Zbo & Marc are beasts & put up beast numbers despite this.
Umm I'm going to disagree with most of that. Gasol is 30 years old and, suffice to say, has met his ceiling. I don't see him further increasing his scoring output. And have you seen Marc play when Zbo's not around? Sheesh. The Grizz can't buy a rebound.
(07-14-2015 03:19 AM)spankadelphia Wrote: [ -> ]Umm I'm going to disagree with most of that. Gasol is 30 years old and, suffice to say, has met his ceiling. I don't see him further increasing his scoring output. And have you seen Marc play when Zbo's not around? Sheesh. The Grizz can't buy a rebound.
People have been saying that dirk & Duncan were finished for 7+ years now.
(07-14-2015 01:15 AM)Latilleon Wrote: [ -> ]I know, I know...
Marc earned that contract because someone would have given it to him, he is beloved, key to the Grizzlies' success on offense and defense, and arguably the most important player on the team.
But a max contract for a guy who averaged 18 points, 8 rebounds, and 4 assists.
You did not mention one thing about Marc's defensive presence on the floor. The one time defensive player of the year directs almost the entire team's positioning on that end of the floor. Have you ever been near the floor during a game? You can hear his influence almost every trip on that end. I believe there are very few teams in the NBA that wouldn't trade their center for Marc. It's not all about the offensive numbers.
(07-14-2015 03:09 AM)TigerStreet Wrote: [ -> ]If you can't see the budding star Marc Gasol is you are not a basketball person or you just haven't watched much Grizz basketball. His numbers are deflated because he plays with another top 10 big man in zbo. Both of their numbers are deflated because of the other. And they have the stats they do have without a perimeter offense to draw defenders out. If the Grizz will ever get some outside shooting then defenses will not be able to sag. In the GSW series they sagged on him even off the ball. The typical basketball fan keeps his eyes on the ball at all times and doesn't watch the game within a game. Every team sags on the Grizz bigs off the ball. Zbo & Marc are beasts & put up beast numbers despite this.
A 30 year old guy who has been in the league for 7 seasons isn't a budding star.
(07-14-2015 03:22 AM)TigerStreet Wrote: [ -> ] (07-14-2015 03:19 AM)spankadelphia Wrote: [ -> ]Umm I'm going to disagree with most of that. Gasol is 30 years old and, suffice to say, has met his ceiling. I don't see him further increasing his scoring output. And have you seen Marc play when Zbo's not around? Sheesh. The Grizz can't buy a rebound.
People have been saying that dirk & Duncan were finished for 7+ years now.
Marc will never be on the level of Dirk and Duncan. Not a slam on Marc, because those two are hall of famers.
(07-14-2015 03:47 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote: [ -> ] (07-14-2015 01:15 AM)Latilleon Wrote: [ -> ]I know, I know...
Marc earned that contract because someone would have given it to him, he is beloved, key to the Grizzlies' success on offense and defense, and arguably the most important player on the team.
But a max contract for a guy who averaged 18 points, 8 rebounds, and 4 assists.
You did not mention one thing about Marc's defensive presence on the floor. The one time defensive player of the year directs almost the entire team's positioning on that end of the floor. Have you ever been near the floor during a game? You can hear his influence almost every trip on that end. I believe there are very few teams in the NBA that wouldn't trade their center for Marc. It's not all about the offensive numbers.
OMG!
(07-14-2015 05:16 AM)Latilleon Wrote: [ -> ] (07-14-2015 03:47 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote: [ -> ] (07-14-2015 01:15 AM)Latilleon Wrote: [ -> ]I know, I know...
Marc earned that contract because someone would have given it to him, he is beloved, key to the Grizzlies' success on offense and defense, and arguably the most important player on the team.
But a max contract for a guy who averaged 18 points, 8 rebounds, and 4 assists.
You did not mention one thing about Marc's defensive presence on the floor. The one time defensive player of the year directs almost the entire team's positioning on that end of the floor. Have you ever been near the floor during a game? You can hear his influence almost every trip on that end. I believe there are very few teams in the NBA that wouldn't trade their center for Marc. It's not all about the offensive numbers.
OMG!
OK. My bad. One thing. But the emphasis was on the offense, and that's not what he's about at all.
It's all relative. Jordan and Love got about the same amount. Which one would you take?
You sound like the morons that said Conley was overpaid.
Griz management (like all NBA teams) has stubbed their toe occassionally, but were wise to take the necessary steps to retain Gasol. He is an elite level center in his playing prime.
Lol at anyone who thinks Marc is overpaid.
You want to talk about overpaid. That's Deandre Jordan, that's Demarre Carroll, that was Rudy when he was here.
Marc is over paid, hahahahahaha. Come on get real
(07-14-2015 08:11 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote: [ -> ]You sound like the morons that said Conley was overpaid.
For real?
Oddly enough, I said Conley deal was a good value because he got half of a max deal.
Why don't I sound like the morons who said Gay was overpaid?
(07-14-2015 06:48 AM)mairving Wrote: [ -> ]It's all relative. Jordan and Love got about the same amount. Which one would you take?
Seller's market.
It's the economic realities of the NBA.
Does anyone actually believe Marc is a franchise player who can lead a team to the playoffs single-handedly?
(07-14-2015 10:06 AM)Latilleon Wrote: [ -> ]Seller's market.
It's the economic realities of the NBA.
Does anyone actually believe Marc is a franchise player who can lead a team to the playoffs single-handedly?
Heck No!
I agree with you Lat. The Grizz found themselves in the "Rudy Zone" again with Gasol. They had to max him because of the way the team was built, but no way is he the cornerstone of a title contender. For everyone that is saying he's the best center in the NBA, ALL NBA 1st team, etc., he was shut down by Draymont Green in the GSW series. Green is a 6'6" Stretch 4 and Gasol couldn't post him up. That told me all I needed to know about Gasol. He's a great complimentary piece, but until the Grizz get a bonafide 22pts/gm scorer, the 2nd round in the playoffs is the ceiling for this team. Gasol alone is not going to bring you a ring.
(07-14-2015 01:15 AM)Latilleon Wrote: [ -> ]I know, I know...
Marc earned that contract because someone would have given it to him, he is beloved, key to the Grizzlies' success on offense and defense, and arguably the most important player on the team.
But a max contract for a guy who averaged 18 points, 8 rebounds, and 4 assists.
I think that around year four of the contract, and Z-Bo is either gone or washed up, we are gonna look at Marc Gasol being the highest paid player on the team and think WTF. Much like when Rudy Gay was. Economic realities of the NBA.
I love Marc. But he isn't great. He is a very good starting center that cannot carry the team on his back. I agree it had to be done, but I said the same thing about Rudy's deal. We better hope Jarnell Stokes or Jarell Martin becomes a Draymond Green level surprise. Otherwise, when we hope Gasol can carry the frontcourt on his own, we are going to be very disappointed.
You know what makes me feel icky? Vernon said the Grizz had to draft Green in 2012. It's never good to have Verno right.
We aren't adding young talent because we don't get high draft picks. If we don't make great late 1st round and 2nd round picks and sign diamonds in the rough like TA in free agency, we will be playoff bridemaids for the rest of the decade.
He couldn't dominate Draymond Green in the playoffs. Instead of crushing him down low, he had to rely on turnarounds and fades--on a guy he had by 30 pounds and about 5+ inches.
That is where I will always question Marc--his ability to crush a guy he has a mismatch against.
(07-14-2015 10:02 AM)Latilleon Wrote: [ -> ] (07-14-2015 08:11 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote: [ -> ]You sound like the morons that said Conley was overpaid.
For real?
Oddly enough, I said Conley deal was a good value because he got half of a max deal.
Why don't I sound like the morons who said Gay was overpaid?
I think the only difference is you can go about 20 deep in the SF category, so the
need to pay high dollar isn't as important as paying top dollar for a center, which only goes about 7-10 deep.