I can understand if someone thinks that there won't be further changes in the Power Five conferences. That would be a reasonable opinion to have. However, if it's possible that all ten Big 12 schools have spots in the other four conferences then what would be the holdup or resistance? Loyalty? Preference? Culture? Distrust? A combination of these?

(05-02-2015 04:56 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  I can understand if someone thinks that there won't be further changes in the Power Five conferences. That would be a reasonable opinion to have. However, if it's possible that all ten Big 12 schools have spots in the other four conferences then what would be the holdup or resistance? Loyalty? Preference? Culture? Distrust? A combination of these?

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(05-02-2015 04:56 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  I can understand if someone thinks that there won't be further changes in the Power Five conferences. That would be a reasonable opinion to have. However, if it's possible that all ten Big 12 schools have spots in the other four conferences then what would be the holdup or resistance? Loyalty? Preference? Culture? Distrust? A combination of these?

Baggage and headaches with the Big 12 schools. SEC wants Oklahoma, but they don't want Oklahoma State. Nobody really wants Texas Tech. PAC 12 wanted Texas A&M over Tech. There may not have been enough votes in the PAC 12 for all 4 teams when the package including Tech. Baylor would be kicking and screaming making threats of lawsuits against other conferences and so forth. Iowa State and Kansas State have no where to go. Kansas could land on their feet joining the Big 10. Even the ACC would be a headache right now trying to poach schools. The Maryland lawsuits. It would be a lot less headaches adding schools from the G5 conferences because those conferences do not have the power to fight the P5 conferences to keep teams.

(05-02-2015 04:56 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  I can understand if someone thinks that there won't be further changes in the Power Five conferences. That would be a reasonable opinion to have. However, if it's possible that all ten Big 12 schools have spots in the other four conferences then what would be the holdup or resistance? Loyalty? Preference? Culture? Distrust? A combination of these?

currently the Big 12 pays out more than the PAC 12 and ACC in conference distributions

they have paid out pretty much exactly the same as the SEC SEC SEC for several years running

and that is exclusive of any Big 12 third tier deals

the PAC 12 network pays out very very little and that does not look to change and the talk by the new Utah AD of possibly needing to look at some structural changes to the PAC 12 network pretty much shows there is not a major short term upside anywhere in the picture....the PAC 12 network money was included in the conference distribution (that was less than the Big 12)

the ACC does not have a network and in spite of all claims to the contrary it does not look like they will anytime soon

currently UT, KU, OU and OkState make a pretty good amount of money for their third tier deals....more than most of the others

KSU and Texas Tech are making about 3 million per year for their third tier deal and WVU is probably making a bit more....all three of these have put out figures that have to be "extrapolated" to get an idea of the real numbers

that leaves TCU and Baylor that have not put out any real public figures

so what that means is the most desirable members of the Big 12 are making more than the ACC and PAC 12 by a clear margin and even if the SECn pays off as is rumored with the latest rumors UT, KU, OU and OkState will still be doing the same or better than the SEC teams

there is ZERO indication (and in fact at this point clear proof) that existing media rights deals are not increased or enhanced because of adding teams

so if any other conference was to add teams there is nothing to say their money per team would not decrease

so what it comes down to is all of the most desirable teams and even some of the less desirable teams in the Big 12 are making as good if not better money in the Big 12 VS any other option....and thus they are not looking to leave and it is doubtful that any conference could get a deal in place to make it more financially lucrative for them to want to leave

(05-02-2015 12:05 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  This is an interesting (albeit very hypothetical) question. This is how I think the current WVU administration would rank options assuming the status quo were to shift:

1. B1G. Adding Rutgers and Maryland to Ohio State and Penn State makes this a desirable option, particularly given who the current WVU president is.

2. Keep Big 12 in tact, and expand with a small group of southern ACC schools.

3. ACC or SEC. This would probably be a toss-up among current WVU administrators. That said, I think joining the ACC is least likely option out of all of them. I do not, however, think there are going to be any changes in membership for a long time among the Top 5 conferences.

So that's two WV posters here that claim the ACC would be the lowest choice.

I don't see how that can really be true. The ACC has all your old Big East rivals.

I think it's just message board poster gusto to try to pretend that WV doesn't want the ACC, because the ACC wouldn't take them.

(05-03-2015 11:51 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-02-2015 12:05 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  This is an interesting (albeit very hypothetical) question. This is how I think the current WVU administration would rank options assuming the status quo were to shift:

1. B1G. Adding Rutgers and Maryland to Ohio State and Penn State makes this a desirable option, particularly given who the current WVU president is.

2. Keep Big 12 in tact, and expand with a small group of southern ACC schools.

3. ACC or SEC. This would probably be a toss-up among current WVU administrators. That said, I think joining the ACC is least likely option out of all of them. I do not, however, think there are going to be any changes in membership for a long time among the Top 5 conferences.

So that's two WV posters here that claim the ACC would be the lowest choice.

I don't see how that can really be true. The ACC has all your old Big East rivals.

I think it's just message board poster gusto to try to pretend that WV doesn't want the ACC, because the ACC wouldn't take them.

The B1G has as many of WVU's rivals as members as the ACC. What of it?

WVU should forget about being with like minded institutions simply because a few schools we used to play happen to be members? That's something else the Mountaineers have learned while WVU has been a member of the XII. And now that WVU is about to receive a full share of the conference money, it would be stupid to entertain thoughts in any other direction. If, at some point in the future, WVU needs to find another conference, the SEC would be the preferred option. The ACC would be at the bottom of the list.

(05-02-2015 04:56 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  I can understand if someone thinks that there won't be further changes in the Power Five conferences. That would be a reasonable opinion to have. However, if it's possible that all ten Big 12 schools have spots in the other four conferences then what would be the holdup or resistance? Loyalty? Preference? Culture? Distrust? A combination of these?

You can listen to the people that never get anything right or you can listen to the person that has repeatedly gotten things right around here. Your choice.

(04-30-2015 07:27 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 06:23 PM)billings Wrote:  I doubt the other p5's give a crap waht the big 12 does in terms of numbers. They all expanded to maximize their revenue which is what the Big 12 is doing by not expanding. I doubt there is any pressure to expand from the rest. Really don't understand why people keep repeating the idea that the rest will force the big 12 to expand.

The posters that represents the have-not programs want the other four P5 conferences to force the Big 12 to expand to give their team a chance to become a have.

true. I want ECU in the ACC but if it ever happened id be surprised if UNC, Wake, Duke and FSU are still in the conference. I believed forever that ECU was going to get in the old big east. To you UCF and BYU fans with big dreams about your school: I've been you...it sucks but once you come to realize your not getting the call up, the actual games become the main thing again. Cheers!

(06-04-2015 06:00 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 07:27 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 06:23 PM)billings Wrote:  I doubt the other p5's give a crap waht the big 12 does in terms of numbers. They all expanded to maximize their revenue which is what the Big 12 is doing by not expanding. I doubt there is any pressure to expand from the rest. Really don't understand why people keep repeating the idea that the rest will force the big 12 to expand.

The posters that represents the have-not programs want the other four P5 conferences to force the Big 12 to expand to give their team a chance to become a have.

true. I want ECU in the ACC but if it ever happened id be surprised if UNC, Wake, Duke and FSU are still in the conference. I believed forever that ECU was going to get in the old big east. To you UCF and BYU fans with big dreams about your school: I've been you...it sucks but once you come to realize your not getting the call up, the actual games become the main thing again. Cheers!

Keep driving that train. Ecu was passed by Ucf is building

(05-01-2015 09:54 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 09:51 AM)Otacon Wrote:  I wouldn't care what conference WVU gets in.....WVU might, but I am not privy to that info. As to rivals, no rivals want to play us so I don't see why WVU would pick a conference based on our "rivals". I guess we would go with whatever conference got stuck with us, since we're "low hanging" fruit.

But as I said, in a hypothetical where WV gets to pick between the B1G, SEC and ACC ... it chooses the ACC, correct?

SEC would be the easy winner if the fan base voted IMO

Jackson

(06-06-2015 12:05 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 09:54 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 09:51 AM)Otacon Wrote:  I wouldn't care what conference WVU gets in.....WVU might, but I am not privy to that info. As to rivals, no rivals want to play us so I don't see why WVU would pick a conference based on our "rivals". I guess we would go with whatever conference got stuck with us, since we're "low hanging" fruit.

But as I said, in a hypothetical where WV gets to pick between the B1G, SEC and ACC ... it chooses the ACC, correct?

SEC would be the easy winner if the fan base voted IMO

You know it, Jackson.