(04-08-2015 03:46 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Worst in my life time as well.

That's nice, but you need to qualify it. For instance, compare and contrast why W was better.

(04-08-2015 03:34 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 02:36 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 01:48 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 12:42 PM)Crebman Wrote:  I do - and it's not really even close. Obama is without doubt, the worst president in my lifetime, and that includes Carter and Nixon.

Obama is the absolute king of leading from behind. If he were in the military during WWII as an officer, he would be one of those that met an untimely end at the hands of those he was supposed to be leading. They would have offed him.

That statement can't be objectively defended using actual data. All those folksy sayings might pass muster among those who agree with your viewpoint, but they are not compelling evidence for someone who is concerned with the factual truth. Complain about Obama all you want, I mean that because he's not exactly the best president I've seen in action, but you're either being dishonest with your statement, or you're just ignorant of the facts.

I haven't seen you present any facts to the contrary. Of course it's my opinion, I never pretended it wasn't my opinion. I'm not being dishonest and I'm not ignorant of any facts. IMO, Obama is the worst "leader" to hold the office in my lifetime.

Oh yeah, I forgot - you're 20 something - you know everything. Just ask and you'll let everyone know.

In fairness, now you've changed your analysis to the "worst leader" from the "worst president".

Although there is no scorecard, I can say with 100% certainty that in the presidential history analysis books in the future that Obama will always be ahead of W on the ratings scale.

His accomplishments are so far ahead of W's it's not even funny.

Health Care- will haunt this Country for years if not stopped in it's tracks early '16. Designed to fail is the only logical explanation for how and why this thing was put together the way it is.

Economy-Where to start. Pumped trillions of printed $$$'s into economy with on discernible benefit other than an artificially inflated stock market. Largest income gap in history, due in large part to this. Record # of people on foodstamps, more people out of workforce than ever, worst peace time recovery in the modern history of the United States, and more. Much more.

Iran Deal (should the cons in congress actually get on board)Which thankfully they won't. BUT, let's also keep in mind that there's a significant chance the dims in congress won't either...

Stock Market- one bright spot. If you own stocks. Fewer people do now than they have before, so no benefit. Whys that? They can't afford their day to day expenses as it is, or are just getting by.

and on and on. And not much of it good. I any way.

W's claim is that he kept us safe after 3,000 died on 9/11. Nevermind that it cost another 4,000+ to achieve it.

Yes, Obama is far from perfect, but no objective analysis can rank W higher. It's just not there.

But make the case. I'd love to hear your rationale....

^^^^^^^^
Worst president in my lifetime without question. Race relations were better 20++ years ago. Economy was better 20++ years ago. Social structure, confidence and optimism was better 20++ years ago. A large portion of the Middle east and Africa are under constant attack, and it promises to only get worse. Tens, hundreds, of thousands, if not millions have been slaughtered and a rudderless world stands idly by. There is no leadership to speak of, so the rabid animals run wild.

If by "better" you mean a world class place holder, then perhaps you are correct. Otherwise, aside from the Kobe beef dinners and lovely vacations, what has he accomplished that has been to the benefit of most Americans? Gay folk in the military? Illegal invaders flooding our borders with little to no fear of penalty?

Yea, I'm sure he's done some wonderful things, I'm sure his daughters could point to a few...

Awful. Just awful.

Thank You for all but making my case for me. I find it amazing what lefties count as achievements.

Yes the stock market has rebounded. I guess it should when dollars are continually pumped into the market for going on 6 years. Where else will those dollars go.
How come federal entitlements are at an all time high?

Healthcare - failure and will only get worse as time goes - why do you think it won't fully take effect until Obama is gone? He didn't want to have to live with it.
Economy - everything he has done blunts a recovery, it has recovered somewhat in spite of Obama's policies putting the brakes on.
Iran Deal - already taking credit for a deal to make a deal. The Iranians are ecstatic - why, because Obama, if he gets his way, will let them off the economic hook and they'll still get atomic bombs. What an achievement!!

In the end, Iraq had been stabilized - wasn't great, but not the dumpster fire it is now that Obama pulled the plug too soon.

Obama is the worst president in my lifetime.

(04-08-2015 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:34 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 02:36 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 01:48 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  That statement can't be objectively defended using actual data. All those folksy sayings might pass muster among those who agree with your viewpoint, but they are not compelling evidence for someone who is concerned with the factual truth. Complain about Obama all you want, I mean that because he's not exactly the best president I've seen in action, but you're either being dishonest with your statement, or you're just ignorant of the facts.

I haven't seen you present any facts to the contrary. Of course it's my opinion, I never pretended it wasn't my opinion. I'm not being dishonest and I'm not ignorant of any facts. IMO, Obama is the worst "leader" to hold the office in my lifetime.

Oh yeah, I forgot - you're 20 something - you know everything. Just ask and you'll let everyone know.

In fairness, now you've changed your analysis to the "worst leader" from the "worst president".

Although there is no scorecard, I can say with 100% certainty that in the presidential history analysis books in the future that Obama will always be ahead of W on the ratings scale.

His accomplishments are so far ahead of W's it's not even funny.

Health Care- will haunt this Country for years if not stopped in it's tracks early '16. Designed to fail is the only logical explanation for how and why this thing was put together the way it is.

Economy-Where to start. Pumped trillions of printed $$$'s into economy with on discernible benefit other than an artificially inflated stock market. Largest income gap in history, due in large part to this. Record # of people on foodstamps, more people out of workforce than ever, worst peace time recovery in the modern history of the United States, and more. Much more.

Iran Deal (should the cons in congress actually get on board)Which thankfully they won't. BUT, let's also keep in mind that there's a significant chance the dims in congress won't either...

Stock Market- one bright spot. If you own stocks. Fewer people do now than they have before, so no benefit. Whys that? They can't afford their day to day expenses as it is, or are just getting by.

and on and on. And not much of it good. I any way.

W's claim is that he kept us safe after 3,000 died on 9/11. Nevermind that it cost another 4,000+ to achieve it.

Yes, Obama is far from perfect, but no objective analysis can rank W higher. It's just not there.

But make the case. I'd love to hear your rationale....

^^^^^^^^
Worst president in my lifetime without question. Race relations were better 20++ years ago. Economy was better 20++ years ago. Social structure, confidence and optimism was better 20++ years ago. A large portion of the Middle east and Africa are under constant attack, and it promises to only get worse. Tens, hundreds, of thousands, if not millions have been slaughtered and a rudderless world stands idly by. There is no leadership to speak of, so the rabid animals run wild.

If by "better" you mean a world class place holder, then perhaps you are correct. Otherwise, aside from the Kobe beef dinners and lovely vacations, what has he accomplished that has been to the benefit of most Americans? Gay folk in the military? Illegal invaders flooding our borders with little to no fear of penalty?

Yea, I'm sure he's done some wonderful things, I'm sure his daughters could point to a few...

Awful. Just awful.

I fail to see one point you made as to where W was better. When comparing the worst in our lifetimes, we only have to look at the worst. And that's W by every objective analysis. Make that case. Not a case compared back to Clinton and Reagan.

And regarding the stock market. Roughly 50 million Americans own 401k's. It matters a whole heck of a lot!

uhhhhh, what? did you even read my post? My responses to your "positives" under this band of rank amateurs?

And if you truly mean by "every objective analysis" clearly you excused yourself from making that "analysis" correct?

Worst President in my lifetime, bar none. Perhaps since before FDR.

(04-08-2015 03:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:44 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:17 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I don't see the humor in how past administrations led us into wars that cost us american lives and untold sums of money. Call me old fashioned.

Including these "Administrators"?

Check out that list, might be a name or two you recognize. Unless of course it was before your time. So, tell you what, I'll highlight a few of them for you. Incidentally, this was about 60% of the dim senators at the time, who held 50 seats. Course, as we all know, they hold far fewer today. For good reason.

Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Breaux (D-LA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Miller (D-GA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
Torricelli (D-NJ)

JMU, please don't be purposely obtuse to reality. Congress only provides the authorization. It's still the Presidents decision to start it. And W did.

With not only their blessings, but in many instances their vocal support as well. From the Senate floor. Shall I dig up a couple of those enthusiastic endorsements?

(04-08-2015 04:01 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:44 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:17 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I don't see the humor in how past administrations led us into wars that cost us american lives and untold sums of money. Call me old fashioned.

Including these "Administrators"?

Check out that list, might be a name or two you recognize. Unless of course it was before your time. So, tell you what, I'll highlight a few of them for you. Incidentally, this was about 60% of the dim senators at the time, who held 50 seats. Course, as we all know, they hold far fewer today. For good reason.

Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Breaux (D-LA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Miller (D-GA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
Torricelli (D-NJ)

JMU, please don't be purposely obtuse to reality. Congress only provides the authorization. It's still the Presidents decision to start it. And W did.

With not only their blessings, but in many instances their vocal support as well. From the Senate floor. Shall I dig up a couple of those enthusiastic endorsements?

But you're missing the larger point. The President is the commander in chief. The war failed because he sucked at running it. It's more than clear in Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution that the President directs the war. W was in charge. He was in charge of deBaathifying the Iraqi government. He was in charge in running the war on the cheap. He is responsible for the huge loss of life. Those mistakes alone set us back years and is why he will be regarded as worse than Obama when the objective analyses are done. And that doesn't even factor in all the evidence that he was planning a war with Iraq before 9/11 even happened!

(04-08-2015 04:01 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:44 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:17 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I don't see the humor in how past administrations led us into wars that cost us american lives and untold sums of money. Call me old fashioned.

Including these "Administrators"?

Check out that list, might be a name or two you recognize. Unless of course it was before your time. So, tell you what, I'll highlight a few of them for you. Incidentally, this was about 60% of the dim senators at the time, who held 50 seats. Course, as we all know, they hold far fewer today. For good reason.

Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Breaux (D-LA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Miller (D-GA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
Torricelli (D-NJ)

JMU, please don't be purposely obtuse to reality. Congress only provides the authorization. It's still the Presidents decision to start it. And W did.

With not only their blessings, but in many instances their vocal support as well. From the Senate floor. Shall I dig up a couple of those enthusiastic endorsements?

Are you honestly trying to say that without Bush/Cheney, we invade Iraq? Because it wasn't congresses idea, nor was it congress putting pressure on our intelligence agencies to find cause to invade. Come on JMU, even you don't believe that Democrats are equally at fault here.

(04-08-2015 11:38 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 11:22 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  "It's, I can't think of a more terrible burden to leave the next president than what Obama is creating here." ~ Richard B. Cheney



I can't think. Yep...pretty much sums it up.

This from the same administration that nearly brought us to another Great Depression.

The near Great Depression was caused by bad loans, which were forced on the banks by congressional Dems. Mandating banks to write bad loans to minorities ... not a great idea.

(04-08-2015 02:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  He just won't quit.

“I vacillate between the various theories I’ve heard, but you know, if you had somebody as president who wanted to take America down, who wanted to fundamentally weaken our position in the world and reduce our capacity to influence events, turn our back on our allies and encourage our adversaries, it would look exactly like what Barack Obama’s doing” ~ Richard B. Cheney

Someone get this delusional old man the definition of irony, STAT!

Does the old man not even realize that the proposed Iran deal is being negotiated with Britain, Russia, France, China and Germany?

stop writing like me....kudos and

disclaimer: I need a 'puff puff the magic' emoticon to simplify some responses...

(04-08-2015 04:50 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 11:38 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 11:22 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  "It's, I can't think of a more terrible burden to leave the next president than what Obama is creating here." ~ Richard B. Cheney



I can't think. Yep...pretty much sums it up.

This from the same administration that nearly brought us to another Great Depression.

The near Great Depression was caused by bad loans, which were forced on the banks by congressional Dems. Mandating banks to write bad loans to minorities ... not a great idea.

let's not forget about that guy that basically single
-handedly developed centralized banking....it had nothing to do with the blue/red......they both understand how to corral the 'green'

that j.p. guy was akin to the bubonic....most just don't understand the 'why'

greed has always steered macro/micro policy

that tricky dick was smarter than his predecessor with the same moniker....

it's always about the cash.....and the pub(l)ic continued to fall for it hook, line, and sinker....

(04-08-2015 03:53 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:34 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 02:36 PM)Crebman Wrote:  I haven't seen you present any facts to the contrary. Of course it's my opinion, I never pretended it wasn't my opinion. I'm not being dishonest and I'm not ignorant of any facts. IMO, Obama is the worst "leader" to hold the office in my lifetime.

Oh yeah, I forgot - you're 20 something - you know everything. Just ask and you'll let everyone know.

In fairness, now you've changed your analysis to the "worst leader" from the "worst president".

Although there is no scorecard, I can say with 100% certainty that in the presidential history analysis books in the future that Obama will always be ahead of W on the ratings scale.

His accomplishments are so far ahead of W's it's not even funny.

Health Care- will haunt this Country for years if not stopped in it's tracks early '16. Designed to fail is the only logical explanation for how and why this thing was put together the way it is.

Economy-Where to start. Pumped trillions of printed $$$'s into economy with on discernible benefit other than an artificially inflated stock market. Largest income gap in history, due in large part to this. Record # of people on foodstamps, more people out of workforce than ever, worst peace time recovery in the modern history of the United States, and more. Much more.

Iran Deal (should the cons in congress actually get on board)Which thankfully they won't. BUT, let's also keep in mind that there's a significant chance the dims in congress won't either...

Stock Market- one bright spot. If you own stocks. Fewer people do now than they have before, so no benefit. Whys that? They can't afford their day to day expenses as it is, or are just getting by.

and on and on. And not much of it good. I any way.

W's claim is that he kept us safe after 3,000 died on 9/11. Nevermind that it cost another 4,000+ to achieve it.

Yes, Obama is far from perfect, but no objective analysis can rank W higher. It's just not there.

But make the case. I'd love to hear your rationale....

^^^^^^^^
Worst president in my lifetime without question. Race relations were better 20++ years ago. Economy was better 20++ years ago. Social structure, confidence and optimism was better 20++ years ago. A large portion of the Middle east and Africa are under constant attack, and it promises to only get worse. Tens, hundreds, of thousands, if not millions have been slaughtered and a rudderless world stands idly by. There is no leadership to speak of, so the rabid animals run wild.

If by "better" you mean a world class place holder, then perhaps you are correct. Otherwise, aside from the Kobe beef dinners and lovely vacations, what has he accomplished that has been to the benefit of most Americans? Gay folk in the military? Illegal invaders flooding our borders with little to no fear of penalty?

Yea, I'm sure he's done some wonderful things, I'm sure his daughters could point to a few...

Awful. Just awful.

I fail to see one point you made as to where W was better. When comparing the worst in our lifetimes, we only have to look at the worst. And that's W by every objective analysis. Make that case. Not a case compared back to Clinton and Reagan.

And regarding the stock market. Roughly 50 million Americans own 401k's. It matters a whole heck of a lot!

uhhhhh, what? did you even read my post? My responses to your "positives" under this band of rank amateurs?

And if you truly mean by "every objective analysis" clearly you excused yourself from making that "analysis" correct?

Worst President in my lifetime, bar none. Perhaps since before FDR.

just for shites and gigs....

carter's bro trumps o'bummer

(04-08-2015 06:26 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:53 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:34 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  In fairness, now you've changed your analysis to the "worst leader" from the "worst president".

Although there is no scorecard, I can say with 100% certainty that in the presidential history analysis books in the future that Obama will always be ahead of W on the ratings scale.

His accomplishments are so far ahead of W's it's not even funny.

Health Care- will haunt this Country for years if not stopped in it's tracks early '16. Designed to fail is the only logical explanation for how and why this thing was put together the way it is.

Economy-Where to start. Pumped trillions of printed $$$'s into economy with on discernible benefit other than an artificially inflated stock market. Largest income gap in history, due in large part to this. Record # of people on foodstamps, more people out of workforce than ever, worst peace time recovery in the modern history of the United States, and more. Much more.

Iran Deal (should the cons in congress actually get on board)Which thankfully they won't. BUT, let's also keep in mind that there's a significant chance the dims in congress won't either...

Stock Market- one bright spot. If you own stocks. Fewer people do now than they have before, so no benefit. Whys that? They can't afford their day to day expenses as it is, or are just getting by.

and on and on. And not much of it good. I any way.

W's claim is that he kept us safe after 3,000 died on 9/11. Nevermind that it cost another 4,000+ to achieve it.

Yes, Obama is far from perfect, but no objective analysis can rank W higher. It's just not there.

But make the case. I'd love to hear your rationale....

^^^^^^^^
Worst president in my lifetime without question. Race relations were better 20++ years ago. Economy was better 20++ years ago. Social structure, confidence and optimism was better 20++ years ago. A large portion of the Middle east and Africa are under constant attack, and it promises to only get worse. Tens, hundreds, of thousands, if not millions have been slaughtered and a rudderless world stands idly by. There is no leadership to speak of, so the rabid animals run wild.

If by "better" you mean a world class place holder, then perhaps you are correct. Otherwise, aside from the Kobe beef dinners and lovely vacations, what has he accomplished that has been to the benefit of most Americans? Gay folk in the military? Illegal invaders flooding our borders with little to no fear of penalty?

Yea, I'm sure he's done some wonderful things, I'm sure his daughters could point to a few...

Awful. Just awful.

I fail to see one point you made as to where W was better. When comparing the worst in our lifetimes, we only have to look at the worst. And that's W by every objective analysis. Make that case. Not a case compared back to Clinton and Reagan.

And regarding the stock market. Roughly 50 million Americans own 401k's. It matters a whole heck of a lot!

uhhhhh, what? did you even read my post? My responses to your "positives" under this band of rank amateurs?

And if you truly mean by "every objective analysis" clearly you excused yourself from making that "analysis" correct?

Worst President in my lifetime, bar none. Perhaps since before FDR.

just for shites and gigs....

carter's bro trumps o'bummer

Now come on Stinkbug, we're talking schittiest president, not schittiest beer, try to keep up!

Actually my Dad bought some of that crap as kind of a goof and I got to give it a try. My Lawd what a lousy beer, we're talking Safeway "Scotch Buy" with the generic white "Beer" label, awful.

So yea, they were two for two there for a long time- worst beer ever and til now worst president ever. Jimma and the true believers are the only ones still thankful this imposter is where he is.

(04-08-2015 06:50 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 06:26 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:53 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:34 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  ^^^^^^^^
Worst president in my lifetime without question. Race relations were better 20++ years ago. Economy was better 20++ years ago. Social structure, confidence and optimism was better 20++ years ago. A large portion of the Middle east and Africa are under constant attack, and it promises to only get worse. Tens, hundreds, of thousands, if not millions have been slaughtered and a rudderless world stands idly by. There is no leadership to speak of, so the rabid animals run wild.

If by "better" you mean a world class place holder, then perhaps you are correct. Otherwise, aside from the Kobe beef dinners and lovely vacations, what has he accomplished that has been to the benefit of most Americans? Gay folk in the military? Illegal invaders flooding our borders with little to no fear of penalty?

Yea, I'm sure he's done some wonderful things, I'm sure his daughters could point to a few...

Awful. Just awful.

I fail to see one point you made as to where W was better. When comparing the worst in our lifetimes, we only have to look at the worst. And that's W by every objective analysis. Make that case. Not a case compared back to Clinton and Reagan.

And regarding the stock market. Roughly 50 million Americans own 401k's. It matters a whole heck of a lot!

uhhhhh, what? did you even read my post? My responses to your "positives" under this band of rank amateurs?

And if you truly mean by "every objective analysis" clearly you excused yourself from making that "analysis" correct?

Worst President in my lifetime, bar none. Perhaps since before FDR.

just for shites and gigs....

carter's bro trumps o'bummer

Now come on Stinkbug, we're talking schittiest president, not schittiest beer, try to keep up!

Actually my Dad bought some of that crap as kind of a goof and I got to give it a try. My Lawd what a lousy beer, we're talking Safeway "Scotch Buy" with the generic white "Beer" label, awful.

So yea, they were two for two there for a long time- worst beer ever and til now worst president ever. Jimma and the true believers are the only ones still thankful this imposter is where he is.

lmfao!

kudos and to that response....it brought a tear to me eye....

(04-08-2015 03:01 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 02:36 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 01:48 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 12:42 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 11:31 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  I don't think you actually believe the Bush was better than Obama narrative.

I do - and it's not really even close. Obama is without doubt, the worst president in my lifetime, and that includes Carter and Nixon.

Obama is the absolute king of leading from behind. If he were in the military during WWII as an officer, he would be one of those that met an untimely end at the hands of those he was supposed to be leading. They would have offed him.

That statement can't be objectively defended using actual data. All those folksy sayings might pass muster among those who agree with your viewpoint, but they are not compelling evidence for someone who is concerned with the factual truth. Complain about Obama all you want, I mean that because he's not exactly the best president I've seen in action, but you're either being dishonest with your statement, or you're just ignorant of the facts.

I haven't seen you present any facts to the contrary. Of course it's my opinion, I never pretended it wasn't my opinion. I'm not being dishonest and I'm not ignorant of any facts. IMO, Obama is the worst "leader" to hold the office in my lifetime.

Oh yeah, I forgot - you're 20 something - you know everything. Just ask and you'll let everyone know.

He hasn't started another Gulf War or occupied another country.

No...He has though installed the largest socialist program in US history....Disregarded ISIS as the JV team and allowed them to be the threat they are now....Alienated pretty much all of this equals in power across the globe. He has done an outstanding job.

(04-08-2015 11:31 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 11:27 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I can think of one(maybe not as terrible)....and he was responsible for it.

I don't think you actually believe the Bush was better than Obama narrative.

That's like picking which testicle you'd prefer slammed in a desk drawer.

(04-08-2015 09:45 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 11:31 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 11:27 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I can think of one(maybe not as terrible)....and he was responsible for it.

I don't think you actually believe the Bush was better than Obama narrative.

That's like picking which testicle you'd prefer slammed in a desk drawer.

That might absolutely be true, but deep down you know you'd rather slam W.

(04-08-2015 08:44 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:01 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 02:36 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 01:48 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 12:42 PM)Crebman Wrote:  I do - and it's not really even close. Obama is without doubt, the worst president in my lifetime, and that includes Carter and Nixon.

Obama is the absolute king of leading from behind. If he were in the military during WWII as an officer, he would be one of those that met an untimely end at the hands of those he was supposed to be leading. They would have offed him.

That statement can't be objectively defended using actual data. All those folksy sayings might pass muster among those who agree with your viewpoint, but they are not compelling evidence for someone who is concerned with the factual truth. Complain about Obama all you want, I mean that because he's not exactly the best president I've seen in action, but you're either being dishonest with your statement, or you're just ignorant of the facts.

I haven't seen you present any facts to the contrary. Of course it's my opinion, I never pretended it wasn't my opinion. I'm not being dishonest and I'm not ignorant of any facts. IMO, Obama is the worst "leader" to hold the office in my lifetime.

Oh yeah, I forgot - you're 20 something - you know everything. Just ask and you'll let everyone know.

He hasn't started another Gulf War or occupied another country.

No...He has though installed the largest socialist program in US history....Disregarded ISIS as the JV team and allowed them to be the threat they are now....Alienated pretty much all of this equals in power across the globe. He has done an outstanding job.

That's simply factually inaccurate. Social Security is magnitudes larger than the ACA, I'm not exactly sure how you're not aware of that fact?

As for making ISIS the threat they are now? How do you figure them to be a threat?

(04-08-2015 04:50 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 11:38 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 11:22 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  "It's, I can't think of a more terrible burden to leave the next president than what Obama is creating here." ~ Richard B. Cheney



I can't think. Yep...pretty much sums it up.

This from the same administration that nearly brought us to another Great Depression.

The near Great Depression was caused by bad loans, which were forced on the banks by congressional Dems. Mandating banks to write bad loans to minorities ... not a great idea.

Wow, what an incredibly minuscule analysis of an enormous issue. You can't seriously believe that you can lay all the blame on congressional democrats. Especially since your apparent understanding of the nondiscriminatory loan requirements is so lacking.

I've implored you time and time again to please do some research, but you seem to just want to rely on conservative media. It's really not that hard, for example:

Quote:"While there was a rapid expansion in overall mortgage origination during this time period, the fraction of new mortgage dollars going to each income group was stable. In other words, the poor did not represent a higher fraction of the mortgage loans originated over the period. In addition, borrowers in the middle and top of the distribution are the ones that contributed most significantly to the increase in mortgages in default after 2007. Taken together, the evidence in the paper suggests that there was no decoupling of mortgage growth from income growth where unsustainable credit was flowing disproportionally to poor people."

Quote:"...the CRA was not a significant factor in subprime lending or the crisis. Many subprime lenders were not subject to the CRA. Research indicates only 6% of high-cost loans -- a proxy for subprime loans -- had any connection to the law. Loans made by CRA-regulated lenders in the neighborhoods in which they were required to lend were half as likely to default as similar loans made in the same neighborhoods by independent mortgage originators not subject to the law."

Low-income loans didn't cause the financial crisis

But please hear me...I'm not saying that these loans did not play a role or that democrats don't bear responsibility, as clearly, they both do. But this is a huge issue that can't be neatly dismissed by a talking point.

(04-09-2015 09:11 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 04:50 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 11:38 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 11:22 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  "It's, I can't think of a more terrible burden to leave the next president than what Obama is creating here." ~ Richard B. Cheney



I can't think. Yep...pretty much sums it up.

This from the same administration that nearly brought us to another Great Depression.

The near Great Depression was caused by bad loans, which were forced on the banks by congressional Dems. Mandating banks to write bad loans to minorities ... not a great idea.

Wow, what an incredibly minuscule analysis of an enormous issue. You can't seriously believe that you can lay all the blame on congressional democrats. Especially since your apparent understanding of the nondiscriminatory loan requirements is so lacking.

I've implored you time and time again to please do some research, but you seem to just want to rely on conservative media. It's really not that hard, for example:

Quote:"While there was a rapid expansion in overall mortgage origination during this time period, the fraction of new mortgage dollars going to each income group was stable. In other words, the poor did not represent a higher fraction of the mortgage loans originated over the period. In addition, borrowers in the middle and top of the distribution are the ones that contributed most significantly to the increase in mortgages in default after 2007. Taken together, the evidence in the paper suggests that there was no decoupling of mortgage growth from income growth where unsustainable credit was flowing disproportionally to poor people."

Quote:"...the CRA was not a significant factor in subprime lending or the crisis. Many subprime lenders were not subject to the CRA. Research indicates only 6% of high-cost loans -- a proxy for subprime loans -- had any connection to the law. Loans made by CRA-regulated lenders in the neighborhoods in which they were required to lend were half as likely to default as similar loans made in the same neighborhoods by independent mortgage originators not subject to the law."

Low-income loans didn't cause the financial crisis

But please hear me...I'm not saying that these loans did not play a role or that democrats don't bear responsibility, as clearly, they both do. But this is a huge issue that can't be neatly dismissed by a talking point.

You admit that - at minimum - both sides bear responsibility for the recession with the bad mortgage collapse.

According to Fit:
"This from the same administration that nearly brought us to another Great Depression."

Sorry, but I think that over time, Obama will be viewed as worse than G Bush. I guess we'll see.

We shall see. I just can't comprehend how Bush will ever been seen in a more favorable light just due to the Iraq debacle alone.

(04-09-2015 01:35 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 08:44 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 03:01 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 02:36 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 01:48 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  That statement can't be objectively defended using actual data. All those folksy sayings might pass muster among those who agree with your viewpoint, but they are not compelling evidence for someone who is concerned with the factual truth. Complain about Obama all you want, I mean that because he's not exactly the best president I've seen in action, but you're either being dishonest with your statement, or you're just ignorant of the facts.

I haven't seen you present any facts to the contrary. Of course it's my opinion, I never pretended it wasn't my opinion. I'm not being dishonest and I'm not ignorant of any facts. IMO, Obama is the worst "leader" to hold the office in my lifetime.

Oh yeah, I forgot - you're 20 something - you know everything. Just ask and you'll let everyone know.

He hasn't started another Gulf War or occupied another country.

No...He has though installed the largest socialist program in US history....Disregarded ISIS as the JV team and allowed them to be the threat they are now....Alienated pretty much all of this equals in power across the globe. He has done an outstanding job.

That's simply factually inaccurate. Social Security is magnitudes larger than the ACA, I'm not exactly sure how you're not aware of that fact?

As for making ISIS the threat they are now? How do you figure them to be a threat?

Last time I checked....We pay into the SS system to receive that benefit....as schitty as it is.

Just sit and watch the bills pile up for the taxpayers. The ACA is in its infancy. Wait till it grows up. Somehow this becomes the first government program to stay within its original scope and budget? I think not.

ISIS not a threat to who? Tell that to the people they are slaughtering. It was King Zed that stood by helplessly while all of this happened...JV team...OK.