(04-05-2015 01:41 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Id ask this... How is taking two conferences that make almost identical money and merging them going to get you more money?


The truth is, the only way to increase our income under the currerent situation is to basically kill the AAC and form a whole new conference. That would get us out of our current tv contract.

Then we would need to keep the best pieces of the AAC and merge them with the most valuable pieces of the MWC. Essentially, we need to devalue what is left of the MWC and make a clear cut #6 conference. This would decrease what is available on the market and we could squeeze a bit more out of the contract.

Given, I dont think it would be much. Maybe $3-4 million a year, which isnt enough to get BYU to switch sides. The main positive I can see is getting nationwide exposure and moving this conference into being a clear cut top notch basketball conference. Adding SDSU, NM, CSU, UNLV and others... In theory, on good years we could have 7-9 bids. (assuming traditional AAC power teams get things back on track)

At that point, youre looking at making $3 million a year in just NCAA credits. That would make it worthwhile.

Assuming the BIG XII survives I believe that the best of the MWC and the best of the AAC will form a new conference.

It will be interesting to see who the BIG XII eventually adds (2-4 teams) in the future.

(04-06-2015 02:42 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 02:33 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  SOUTH
Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Tulane

Not sure what any of those teams in that division would think, but I know UCF would be unhappy with all 3 of the private schools in the same division as themselves.

Why would UCF care? You'd have USF and ECU on your plate for true rivalries, anyway.

UH may want a 2nd public school. Tulane, Tulsa, and SMU would all be somewhat happy, however.

(04-06-2015 02:33 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  WEST
UNLV
Boise State
BYU
San Diego State

SOUTH
Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Tulane

EAST
East Carolina
Memphis
UCF
South Florida

NORTH
Connecticut
Cincinnati
Temple
Navy

What exactly do Tulsa and Tulane offer?

(04-07-2015 12:22 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 02:33 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  WEST
UNLV
Boise State
BYU
San Diego State

SOUTH
Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Tulane

EAST
East Carolina
Memphis
UCF
South Florida

NORTH
Connecticut
Cincinnati
Temple
Navy

What exactly do Tulsa and Tulane offer?

I've asked that over and over again...

(04-07-2015 12:22 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  What exactly do Tulsa and Tulane offer?

What does SMU offer? Tulsa's won a lot more in basketball or football in the last 20 years than SMU (So has tulane as a matter of fact). Tulane is the only AAU school in the MWC or AAC. And if you think that counts for nothing, you haven't been watching conference machinations. All 3 are academic beasts.

(04-07-2015 12:26 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 12:22 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 02:33 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  WEST
UNLV
Boise State
BYU
San Diego State

SOUTH
Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Tulane

EAST
East Carolina
Memphis
UCF
South Florida

NORTH
Connecticut
Cincinnati
Temple
Navy

What exactly do Tulsa and Tulane offer?

I've asked that over and over again...

Academics, shared research (worth far more than athletics). premier destination/sports city and potential. The options were very limited by the time you got to Tulane and Tulsa.

I liked the idea a while back, still do.

It would have to be a new conference trying to maximize a tv deal through growth of the brand. A couple of regular season football games for each conference drew over 1M views for television last year. You start mixing the top MW teams against top AAC teams and I think there is a lot more growth opportunity and brand awareness (it probably also means a new, slimmed down conference).

The TV ratings last year looked remarkably similar for the MW and the AAC (advantage MW for later game times and less population saturation). The biggest probem for the AAC is all the football inventory already in the eastern US.

BYU would be great, if there was a chance in a million... but I don't think so.

(04-07-2015 12:26 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 12:22 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 02:33 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  WEST
UNLV
Boise State
BYU
San Diego State

SOUTH
Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Tulane

EAST
East Carolina
Memphis
UCF
South Florida

NORTH
Connecticut
Cincinnati
Temple
Navy

What exactly do Tulsa and Tulane offer?

I've asked that over and over again...

Get this man a prize.

I have a feeling that the AAC is a temporary conference. The logo looks a little too cheap, the key conference members are not that happy, and the league keeps being undersold (it has a stigma to it). In 5-10 more years, we'll see some shifts.

For that reason, a MWC-AAC merger isn't really sensible. There are "mini-cores" within the two leagues that will stay tight-knit, but the content will be repackaged once the new P5-led subdivision is created.

Just my two cents.

The AAC is comprised of some schools that the MWC didn't want to begin with. The MWC is also mostly a football conference. I don't think they would want much from the AAC.

MWC is already a legit tweener P5 conference IMHO.

(04-07-2015 01:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Just my two cents.

The AAC is comprised of some schools that the MWC didn't want to begin with. The MWC is also mostly a football conference. I don't think they would want much from the AAC.

MWC is already a legit tweener P5 conference IMHO.

lol

(04-07-2015 01:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Just my two cents.

The AAC is comprised of some schools that the MWC didn't want to begin with. The MWC is also mostly a football conference. I don't think they would want much from the AAC.

MWC is already a legit tweener P5 conference IMHO.

The MWC with TCU, Utah, and BYU was 100% a tweener conference. The current MWC is just a strong G5 league - kind of like the AAC.

Both leagues have potential, but I don't know if either will ever reach their real ceiling.

(04-07-2015 01:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Just my two cents.

The AAC is comprised of some schools that the MWC didn't want to begin with. The MWC is also mostly a football conference. I don't think they would want much from the AAC.

MWC is already a legit tweener P5 conference IMHO.

lol....Are you kidding with that? By definition, more than half of the current MW is literally now comprised of schools the MW didn't want to begin with.

(04-07-2015 01:05 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 12:26 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 12:22 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 02:33 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  WEST
UNLV
Boise State
BYU
San Diego State

SOUTH
Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Tulane

EAST
East Carolina
Memphis
UCF
South Florida

NORTH
Connecticut
Cincinnati
Temple
Navy

What exactly do Tulsa and Tulane offer?

I've asked that over and over again...

Get this man a prize.

You ever consider why the B10 requires new members to be AAU schools?

Congrats on the useless Tulane bashing.

(04-07-2015 01:36 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 01:05 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 12:26 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 12:22 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 02:33 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  WEST
UNLV
Boise State
BYU
San Diego State

SOUTH
Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Tulane

EAST
East Carolina
Memphis
UCF
South Florida

NORTH
Connecticut
Cincinnati
Temple
Navy

What exactly do Tulsa and Tulane offer?

I've asked that over and over again...

Get this man a prize.

You ever consider why the B10 requires new members to be AAU schools?

Congrats on the useless Tulane bashing.

Aside from good academics and a decent market, Tulane really doesn't offer anything to the AAC right now. Their basketball arena is a joke, the football program has been awful for at least 10 years, and they have only been to the tournament 3 times in men's basketball. Maybe that will change, but when Tulane was added to the conference, I threw up in my mouth. It's nothing personal... I just hope Tulane can be more competitive in the future.

(04-07-2015 01:36 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 01:05 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 12:26 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 12:22 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 02:33 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  WEST
UNLV
Boise State
BYU
San Diego State

SOUTH
Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Tulane

EAST
East Carolina
Memphis
UCF
South Florida

NORTH
Connecticut
Cincinnati
Temple
Navy

What exactly do Tulsa and Tulane offer?

I've asked that over and over again...

Get this man a prize.

You ever consider why the B10 requires new members to be AAU schools?

Congrats on the useless Tulane bashing.

Wasn't that long ago, 1998, that Tulane went undefeated and 'should have' been in a BCS bowl. In fact, that event helped the rest of us get access.

Tulane just built a great new stadium. Small but perfect for their needs. We are not the SEC, not everyone needs a huge stadium.

Tulane is in arguably the best destination city/major market in the conference. Orlando, Tampa, Memphis, Houston all good too, but lets face it when you think party, you think New Orleans. Man I can't wait for a road trip to see USF there, then hit the FQ after the game!! If you've not spent a weekend on the FQ, then you just haven't lived...

He's right on academics. Why does Vandy get to hang around the SEC?

We have 12 schools. Even if we got rid of Tulane tomorrow... who is the stellar obvious replacement? We've debated this on countless threads, but the consensus is usually that none of the usual suspects are ready yet.

When the Big East still had Boise State and San Diego State on the hook, they should have put all their eggs into westward expansion to create the most competitive football conference possible. Then backfill Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, and Louisville with whatever you deem to be the strongest eastern programs. 12 teams, 2 divisions, presence in California, Texas, and Florida, commanding by far the highest payout of any G5 conference. Then if the Big 12 ever implodes, you are in great position to acquire the leftovers to become a true 16-team power conference.

Divisional deregulation is now continuing to move through the NCAA and is expected to easily pass allowing conferences the flexibility to determine their champion in the way they see fit and allowing 10-team conferences to hold a CCG,

I read that as the Big-12 is not adding anyone anytime soon. Cinci and Memphis may be stuck in the AAC a while.

On the other hand, some exciting possibilities are now possible. Expansion of the AAC to include 20-24 teams with 4 6-team regional pods just became very doable. Even a full MW-AAC merger is possible now with divisional play deregulation. Play a 6 game schedule within the 12 team MW division with 2 crossover games against AAC opponents with a CCG at the home stadium of the higher ranked team. The winner of that MW-AAC merger conference championship game is likely the G5 access bowl representative most every year. That's as close to being a contract conference as we can hope to be in this CFP agreement cycle.

Conference CCG/Division Play Deregulation Expected to Pass
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ed-by-2016

(04-07-2015 01:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Divisional deregulation is now continuing to move through the NCAA and is expected to easily pass allowing conferences the flexibility to determine their champion in the way they see fit and allowing 10-team conferences to hold a CCG,

I read that as the Big-12 is adding anyone anytime soon. Cinci and Memphis may be stuck in the AAC a while.

On the other hand, some exciting possibilities are now possible. Expansion of the AAC to include 20-24 teams with 4 6-team regional pods just became very doable. Even a full MW-AAC merger is possible now with divisional play deregulation. Play a 6 game schedule within the 12 team MW division with 2 crossover games against AAC opponents with a CCG at the home stadium of the higher ranked team. The winner of that MW-AAC merger conference championship game is likely the G5 access bowl representative most every year. That's as close to being a contract conference as we can hope to be in this CFP agreement cycle.


http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ed-by-2016

Welcome back Memphis and Cinci

(04-07-2015 01:45 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 01:36 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 01:05 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 12:26 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 12:22 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  What exactly do Tulsa and Tulane offer?

I've asked that over and over again...

Get this man a prize.

You ever consider why the B10 requires new members to be AAU schools?

Congrats on the useless Tulane bashing.

Aside from good academics and a decent market, Tulane really doesn't offer anything to the AAC right now. Their basketball arena is a joke, the football program has been awful for at least 10 years, and they have only been to the tournament 3 times in men's basketball. Maybe that will change, but when Tulane was added to the conference, I threw up in my mouth. It's nothing personal... I just hope Tulane can be more competitive in the future.

Again, you don't seem to understand the concept that University presidents make the choice and research dollars matter. Tulane makes about $3.5mm from the AAC after TV/credits etc., Tulane makes over $150mm in research dollars. Conference mates often share research access, you starting to get it? NOLA is a centerpiece city and provides access to some of the most fertile recruiting in the nation as well.

It's just so old bashing Tulane at this point. Talk about what we can do better not what we have done wrong.