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RE: AAC/MW Merger
it would be too big/too many teams for my tastes. I like how the AAC is now.....more closely knit feeling.....we play almost everyone home and home in basketball......play everyone in baseball.......also, it's giving ESPN just enough inventory now so they can fit all of our games on the ESPN Networks. I like to keep it that way. Very few ESPN3 exclusives with the way it is now.

i think we just need to strive to continue to get better, continue to grow the brand, and show we deserve more money during our next rounds of talks with ESPN. jmo.
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RE: AAC/MW Merger
(04-05-2015 01:41 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Id ask this... How is taking two conferences that make almost identical money and merging them going to get you more money?

ESPN "could" see the potential with adding a bunch of markets in a true east coast to west coast conference. The bigger league would have us watching MWC games that we care less about at 11PM at night.

Unless the money is way higher, the coast to coast league makes zero sense. We could do some FB only schools since we only play 4 away league games. It just doesn't make sense for other sports unless the money is way higher and some pods can be setup to reduce travel.
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(04-05-2015 08:56 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(04-05-2015 01:41 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Id ask this... How is taking two conferences that make almost identical money and merging them going to get you more money?

ESPN "could" see the potential with adding a bunch of markets in a true east coast to west coast conference. The bigger league would have us watching MWC games that we care less about at 11PM at night.

Unless the money is way higher, the coast to coast league makes zero sense. We could do some FB only schools since we only play 4 away league games. It just doesn't make sense for other sports unless the money is way higher and some pods can be setup to reduce travel.

Problem is, that ESPN already owns both. No upside. Only thing it would do is change the opponents. The time slots they already own.
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RE: AAC/MW Merger
(04-05-2015 09:06 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(04-05-2015 08:56 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(04-05-2015 01:41 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Id ask this... How is taking two conferences that make almost identical money and merging them going to get you more money?

ESPN "could" see the potential with adding a bunch of markets in a true east coast to west coast conference. The bigger league would have us watching MWC games that we care less about at 11PM at night.

Unless the money is way higher, the coast to coast league makes zero sense. We could do some FB only schools since we only play 4 away league games. It just doesn't make sense for other sports unless the money is way higher and some pods can be setup to reduce travel.

Problem is, that ESPN already owns both. No upside. Only thing it would do is change the opponents. The time slots they already own.

I get that ESPN owns both but the total viewership should rise. Think about late night games on the MWC. You're probably not going to say up to watch the MWC unless there is some type of connection.
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MWC sucks. Nobody cares what happens in the west because they are all in bed before the games are over. It is a wasteland out there.

combining makes no sense at all. Ask the one or two best to join, if they don't than don't worry about it.
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Why not just negotiate agreements to play some OOC football games with each other. Instead of playing one FCS team each year make that game with a MWC school. In basketball there could be an early season AAC/MWC Challenge. Wouldn't this accomplish the same thing without all the downside?
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(04-05-2015 09:10 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(04-05-2015 09:06 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(04-05-2015 08:56 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(04-05-2015 01:41 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Id ask this... How is taking two conferences that make almost identical money and merging them going to get you more money?

ESPN "could" see the potential with adding a bunch of markets in a true east coast to west coast conference. The bigger league would have us watching MWC games that we care less about at 11PM at night.

Unless the money is way higher, the coast to coast league makes zero sense. We could do some FB only schools since we only play 4 away league games. It just doesn't make sense for other sports unless the money is way higher and some pods can be setup to reduce travel.

Problem is, that ESPN already owns both. No upside. Only thing it would do is change the opponents. The time slots they already own.

I get that ESPN owns both but the total viewership should rise. Think about late night games on the MWC. You're probably not going to say up to watch the MWC unless there is some type of connection.

I dont see interest skyrocketing for those games. For instance, I am gonna watch all USF games and some AAC games. Just because they are now playing more MWC teams doesnt mean I am gonna watch even more of those games. They dont interest me anymore then watching the current AAC.
Now if an AAC team is playing a P5 opponent, I typically will tune in cause I want to see our team knock off the big boys... but I honestly couldnt give a crap if were beating a MWC team.

Overall, I think with ESPN already owning the MWC and AAC they have just about as much viewership as they are going to get out of those opponents and time slots. What ESPN needs to do is get the P5 conferences to stop scheduling the MAC, Sunbelt and CUSA. This would increase viewership in us since its a better opponent.
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(04-05-2015 09:40 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Why not just negotiate agreements to play some OOC football games with each other. Instead of playing one FCS team each year make that game with a MWC school. In basketball there could be an early season AAC/MWC Challenge. Wouldn't this accomplish the same thing without all the downside?

No, who does it benefit? The home team. Also, unless you're playing UNLV or New Mexico, what was normally a warm up game is actually a legit chance to lose ESPECIALLY considering the altitude and time differences.
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Annex the MAAC.
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(04-05-2015 09:06 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(04-05-2015 08:56 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(04-05-2015 01:41 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Id ask this... How is taking two conferences that make almost identical money and merging them going to get you more money?

ESPN "could" see the potential with adding a bunch of markets in a true east coast to west coast conference. The bigger league would have us watching MWC games that we care less about at 11PM at night.

Unless the money is way higher, the coast to coast league makes zero sense. We could do some FB only schools since we only play 4 away league games. It just doesn't make sense for other sports unless the money is way higher and some pods can be setup to reduce travel.

Problem is, that ESPN already owns both. No upside. Only thing it would do is change the opponents. The time slots they already own.

If they lose out on the b1g there is a whole lot of incentive
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This is never going to happen .Why start a thread on it.
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Yeah, if anything should merge, it should be this thread with the countless other related ones. It's like a Hollywood franchise that reboots, it tells the same story over and over and over and over and over and over...
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I would rather add just add BSU, BYU, SDSU, AFA football and WSU and Gonzaga for hoops. The American would go coast to coast, corner to corner to corner.
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You would still have to jettison some teams, without a clear choice of who to jettison. is it a football based conference or a basketball based conference? Is it a metropolitan market conference? You would need an identity then build toward that identity.

The TV value won't go up substantially by bringing in the MW teams, and the bottom of the conference becomes broader. It's basically the Southern Conference before the ACC split, or the WAC-16 (but larger).

Getting back to the conference's identity, the American FINALLY has it (which the Big East didn't have from the time they created a football conference in 1991). Let that develop first. It's still a new conference, teams will have up and down years but there really isn't any school in the conference that can't be competitive.
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(04-06-2015 09:06 AM)rjglassett Wrote:  You would still have to jettison some teams, without a clear choice of who to jettison. is it a football based conference or a basketball based conference? Is it a metropolitan market conference? You would need an identity then build toward that identity.

The TV value won't go up substantially by bringing in the MW teams, and the bottom of the conference becomes broader. It's basically the Southern Conference before the ACC split, or the WAC-16 (but larger).

Getting back to the conference's identity, the American FINALLY has it (which the Big East didn't have from the time they created a football conference in 1991). Let that develop first. It's still a new conference, teams will have up and down years but there really isn't any school in the conference that can't be competitive.

The identity would be "best of the rest." The American would consist of schools that bring the most to the table (i.e. the schools with the most P5-looking profiles).

I agree with other posters that said it wouldn't work as a full merger. I think it'd be most of the AAC schools with a handful of MWC schools & BYU.

16 all-sports plus Wichita State and Gonzaga.

I'd be pleased with that conference.
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(04-05-2015 09:45 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(04-05-2015 09:10 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(04-05-2015 09:06 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(04-05-2015 08:56 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(04-05-2015 01:41 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Id ask this... How is taking two conferences that make almost identical money and merging them going to get you more money?

ESPN "could" see the potential with adding a bunch of markets in a true east coast to west coast conference. The bigger league would have us watching MWC games that we care less about at 11PM at night.

Unless the money is way higher, the coast to coast league makes zero sense. We could do some FB only schools since we only play 4 away league games. It just doesn't make sense for other sports unless the money is way higher and some pods can be setup to reduce travel.

Problem is, that ESPN already owns both. No upside. Only thing it would do is change the opponents. The time slots they already own.

I get that ESPN owns both but the total viewership should rise. Think about late night games on the MWC. You're probably not going to say up to watch the MWC unless there is some type of connection.

I dont see interest skyrocketing for those games. For instance, I am gonna watch all USF games and some AAC games. Just because they are now playing more MWC teams doesnt mean I am gonna watch even more of those games. They dont interest me anymore then watching the current AAC.
Now if an AAC team is playing a P5 opponent, I typically will tune in cause I want to see our team knock off the big boys... but I honestly couldnt give a crap if were beating a MWC team.

Overall, I think with ESPN already owning the MWC and AAC they have just about as much viewership as they are going to get out of those opponents and time slots. What ESPN needs to do is get the P5 conferences to stop scheduling the MAC, Sunbelt and CUSA. This would increase viewership in us since its a better opponent.

If the AAC added the 12 MW schools just prior to the AAC ESPN renegotiation, the ESPN would actually NOT own the MW rights as the MW would no longer exist.

A nationwide G5 conference would create synergies by making a game between Frenso and Colorado St have some impact on far flung G5 fans in Philly, Dallas, and Houston, and Orlando. Basically, instead of having just 12 fan bases interested in the outcome of games, you have 24 fan bases. That likely comes close to equaling the number of fans interested in Big-12 games or ACC games. It just took twice as many fanbases to reach that interest number. That said, does TV really care how many fanbases it takes to reach "X" ratings? Nope---its just important that something draws "x' ratings.

My guess is that a conference like that can draw near P5 ratings (especially for its bigger games between key members) and will be paid near the P5r rates (eventually). It may take a while to get there as the conference would have to build a track record before the networks would be willing to pay full freight---but it would eventually occur as the nationwide conference becomes the most well known, most recognized, most followed, and most watched G5 conference in the nation. The reality is, schools in the conference would only make half as much as the P5 (twice as many members), but the conference would make about the same size contract as a 12-team P5. That's a significant increase over where we are now. Making 50% of what power conference schools make is a target point we likely cannot reach as we currently stand (we currently make about 10% of what a P5 makes).

For a NATIONAL cable broadcaster who would be showing a G5 game NATIONALLY, it makes sense to do so within the context of a NATIONAL conference. If you are showing a game between Fresno and Colorado St in Philly as well as Colorado---wouldn't it make more sense to do it in the context of a league where folks in Philly, Orlando, and Dallas might actually have some common interest in the outcome?
A national college conference is actually the perfect product for a national cable sports network.

Finally, control of supply would be one more area where the value of a 24 schools cross country conference would change the dynamic. There are 62 G5 conference teams. By combining the AAC and MW, the AAC would control nearly 40% of the G5 inventory and nearly ALL of the G5 inventory that media would be particularly interested in.
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I cant believe how many of you there are that dont see Boise, AF, BYU, Fresno as decent home games. I do. Heck I'd be fine with SDSU & Col St coming in. New Mex, UNLV and WYO not so much. Talking football here...
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I wouldn't want to do a merger. I would want to get certain schools to defect from each conference. This is what a merger would look like vs defection and start of the 11th FBS conference.

Merger
American
Memphis (25)
Cincinnati
UCF
East Carolina
Houston
Temple
South Florida
Tulsa
Tulane
SMU
Connecticut
Navy

Mountain West
Boise State (16)
Colorado State
Utah State
Air Force
New Mexico
Wyoming
Fresno State
San Diego State
Nevada
Hawaii
San Jose State
UNLV

VS.

Metro Conference East
UConn
Temple
Cincinnati
Memphis
ECU
USF
UCF
Houston
SMU

West
Navy (fb only)
Boise State
BYU
Colorado State
Air Force
San Diego State
Fresno State
UNLV
Hawaii (fb only)
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Really bad idea
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When the Big East added SDSU and Boise, it was widely ridiculed by almost everyone as an unworkable coast to coast conference. This in spite of the western members being football only. Why would a nationwide conference suddenly be workable now? Obviously the Olympic sports would largely stay in the western/eastern portions anyway... so what's the point? Plus, past Boise (and to some degree Fresno, SDSU...) who really adds gravitas to the AAC? I doubt the TV deal moves much at all.

Kruciff is totally right, we're doing fine, stability is here, and we're looking at a vastly improved situation for our TV deal, which (very smartly) is up for 'look in' in just a couple more years.

A nationwide conference is just too big. Heck, we have folks who think the AAC footprint is too big!
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