(11-13-2014 03:16 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 03:14 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 02:49 PM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 02:41 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 02:37 PM)danny1 Wrote:  You're an idiot.

What's with the name-calling, no need to be rude, I'm just offering an "alternative viewpoint."

Hahaha that's rich.

Aint it doe?

Hes a big talker for a lonely guy with a cat.

Says the guy with a cat in his sig?

I took it with me when I left the other night. Tell your girl I said hi

(11-13-2014 03:19 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 03:18 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 03:16 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 03:14 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 02:49 PM)poppaslaw Wrote:  Hahaha that's rich.

Aint it doe?

Hes a big talker for a lonely guy with a cat.

Says the guy with a cat in his sig?

I took it with me when I left the other night. Tell your girl I said hi

So am I a lonely cat guy or do I have a girlfriend and not care you took my cat?

Maybe your gf is the cat?

(11-13-2014 02:21 PM)Malachi Wrote:  Even his supporters?

Sure you hate it for him, he's a nice guy and all. But would it stir up some insane, strong sense of emotion that makes you question the direction of the program?

Change is good.

I'd be very happy with a coaching change. Matter of fact, I really hope it happens. Hope I'm wrong, but things will only get worse as long as Pastner's the coach.

His contract runs through 2019, IIRC. Assuming it's fully guaranteed (I think it is), that's $2.65M x 5 = a buyout of $13.25M, as of today.

Anybody want to volunteer to make donations to Fred Smith? B/c he's not paying out that kind of money anytime soon.

I'm not weighing in on Pastner's performance at all, just pointing out the buyout situation.

(11-13-2014 05:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  His contract runs through 2019, IIRC. Assuming it's fully guaranteed (I think it is), that's $2.65M x 5 = a buyout of $13.25M, as of today.

Anybody want to volunteer to make donations to Fred Smith? B/c he's not paying out that kind of money anytime soon.

I'm not weighing in on Pastner's performance at all, just pointing out the buyout situation.

Why on God's green earth would it be setup that way for such a risk ? I must be missing something. Thanks for the detail.

(11-13-2014 02:25 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I would this early in the season. You would be damning this team to a losing record.

Yes, yes, and yes to this

(11-13-2014 05:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  His contract runs through 2019, IIRC. Assuming it's fully guaranteed (I think it is), that's $2.65M x 5 = a buyout of $13.25M, as of today.

Anybody want to volunteer to make donations to Fred Smith? B/c he's not paying out that kind of money anytime soon.

I'm not weighing in on Pastner's performance at all, just pointing out the buyout situation.

Can't believe we've continued to give him increases & extensions. He's done nothing to warrant them.

(11-13-2014 05:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  His contract runs through 2019, IIRC. Assuming it's fully guaranteed (I think it is), that's $2.65M x 5 = a buyout of $13.25M, as of today.

Anybody want to volunteer to make donations to Fred Smith? B/c he's not paying out that kind of money anytime soon.

I'm not weighing in on Pastner's performance at all, just pointing out the buyout situation.

I have no doubt that there's some kind of loophole in that which will make the payout less than that in certain circumstances.

(11-13-2014 02:30 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Change is good... That is every bit as accurate as Barney Stinson saying "Newer is ALWAYS better!!!"

I remember another coach that lost a regular season game to Austin Peay and complained loudly that a coach only played zone in an exhibition game.... huh, but change is always good!!!!

How has that 'change' worked out for UT and Ark football.

Queue the 'Freeze at Ole Miss' in 5...4...3...

(11-13-2014 05:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  His contract runs through 2019, IIRC. Assuming it's fully guaranteed (I think it is), that's $2.65M x 5 = a buyout of $13.25M, as of today.

Anybody want to volunteer to make donations to Fred Smith? B/c he's not paying out that kind of money anytime soon.

I'm not weighing in on Pastner's performance at all, just pointing out the buyout situation.

If Josh is the stand up guy many here insist he is he should own his failure to lead the team and resign without further compensation and let us get on with our lives.

(11-13-2014 05:33 PM)Mick Light Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 05:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  His contract runs through 2019, IIRC. Assuming it's fully guaranteed (I think it is), that's $2.65M x 5 = a buyout of $13.25M, as of today.

Anybody want to volunteer to make donations to Fred Smith? B/c he's not paying out that kind of money anytime soon.

I'm not weighing in on Pastner's performance at all, just pointing out the buyout situation.

If Josh is the stand up guy many here insist he is he should own his failure to lead the team and resign without further compensation and let us get on with our lives.

Fred ain't the only big booster doe. That 13 mil divided by about 20 ain't as much. Plus there's always some negotiations that could happen.

Link: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/pas...on-year-ne (from May 2013) ..."Josh Pastner's new contract worth $2.65 million a year; nearly a $1 million annual raise"

"Dismissing Pastner solely because of the team's performance would be costly for the U of M. The Tigers would owe Pastner the balance of his contract — as many as four full seasons' salary, if he's dismissed before the date the contract automatically renews — if they wished to part with him."

"Pastner's contract is in effect for the next five seasons, through 2017-18. Automatic renewals are included after each of the next two seasons, meaning the deal is structured to extend through 2019-20."

Math: $2.65M x 4 = $10.6M ... still a chunk of change. Why smart, wealthy businessmen would do this is beyond me.

well,

I am not trying to pile on. I really want to see this team and the program do well. 2:09 away from a national championship is a hard pill to swallow. Pastner will not get us back there.

Pastner was just a bad hire, as been said before. His contract is what it is because the business leaders/boosters simply bought the Kool-aid. They were stung by Cal and the subsequent NCAA sanctions. So, what they are paying for is Pastner's image, not performance.

But, the regular fan is still stinging from the 2008 National Championship game. We want to see the program succeed at its potential. With this much investment, there is no reason why this team can't compete for a national title every year. In order to do that, the program needs to be led by an actual coach. Pastner is good PR, but a terrible coach. What is happening is a huge waste of resources every year that Pastner gets to lead this program. He is just not ready to lead this program. It has been apparent since his second year, and not much has changed. This year should be his last, because it is going to take a tremendous COACHING job to even get a winning record and make the NIT, and Pastner has shown that he strength is PR, not coaching.

(11-13-2014 05:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  His contract runs through 2019, IIRC. Assuming it's fully guaranteed (I think it is), that's $2.65M x 5 = a buyout of $13.25M, as of today.

Anybody want to volunteer to make donations to Fred Smith? B/c he's not paying out that kind of money anytime soon.

I'm not weighing in on Pastner's performance at all, just pointing out the buyout situation.

That can be done in payments. That is what a lot of schools do.

(11-13-2014 06:05 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  well,

I am not trying to pile on. I really want to see this team and the program do well. 2:09 away from a national championship is a hard pill to swallow. Pastner will not get us back there.

Pastner was just a bad hire, as been said before. His contract is what it is because the business leaders/boosters simply bought the Kool-aid. They were stung by Cal and the subsequent NCAA sanctions. So, what they are paying for is Pastner's image, not performance.

But, the regular fan is still stinging from the 2008 National Championship game. We want to see the program succeed at its potential. With this much investment, there is no reason why this team can't compete for a national title every year. In order to do that, the program needs to be led by an actual coach. Pastner is good PR, but a terrible coach. What is happening is a huge waste of resources every year that Pastner gets to lead this program. He is just not ready to lead this program. It has been apparent since his second year, and not much has changed. This year should be his last, because it is going to take a tremendous COACHING job to even get a winning record and make the NIT, and Pastner has shown that he strength is PR, not coaching.

Ha. So when this team goes 18-13 and makes the NIT, are you gonna say Pastner did a tremendous job?

(11-13-2014 02:25 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  He's a loser, we'd have won at least one National Championship by now without him here to f*ck the whole program up.

You're taking this better than I thought you would.

I think a better question is would anyone here really be that distraught if Pastner quit?

(11-13-2014 06:12 PM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 05:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  His contract runs through 2019, IIRC. Assuming it's fully guaranteed (I think it is), that's $2.65M x 5 = a buyout of $13.25M, as of today.

Anybody want to volunteer to make donations to Fred Smith? B/c he's not paying out that kind of money anytime soon.

I'm not weighing in on Pastner's performance at all, just pointing out the buyout situation.

That can be done in payments. That is what a lot of schools do.

Sure, but I don't think that's the point. These big dollar guys don't have a cash flow issue, it's the amount. That's a huge buyout - period. Payments don't make that any better.

(11-13-2014 05:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  His contract runs through 2019, IIRC. Assuming it's fully guaranteed (I think it is), that's $2.65M x 5 = a buyout of $13.25M, as of today.

Anybody want to volunteer to make donations to Fred Smith? B/c he's not paying out that kind of money anytime soon.

I'm not weighing in on Pastner's performance at all, just pointing out the buyout situation.

Are u kidding me? 2019! Knute Rockne couldn't get a contract like that.

When can we question Pastner's everything from his recruiting to play on the court? What are we gaining from Pastner as Head Coach? Frankly, It seems he does just enough to stay employed.