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RE: Would anyone on here really be that distraught if Pastner is fired?
U Dudes all laughed at hiring BRUCE PEARL!!! That DUDE can COACH, watch what auburn does his first yr. My sources say he is going to have a monster recruiting yr.
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(11-13-2014 06:40 PM)JRR_IV Wrote:  When can we question Pastner's everything from his recruiting to play on the court? What are we gaining from Pastner as Head Coach? Frankly, It seems he does just enough to stay employed.

for some here, pretty much never.
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I know I won't. never been a fan if his. Its baffling why so many defend him!
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I'm in the small minority, especially today, but will go on record as saying if the U of M fires Coach Pastner I will give up my 6 season tickets. I don't know if he will ever be a great basketball coach, but he is a great person, a great role model, a great leader in these young men's lives, and I am proud he represents the university that I graduated from. I wouldn't be distraught, but I would be terribly disappointed.
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(11-13-2014 09:30 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  I'm in the small minority, especially today, but will go on record as saying if the U of M fires Coach Pastner I will give up my 6 season tickets. I don't know if he will ever be a great basketball coach, but he is a great person, a great role model, a great leader in these young men's lives, and I am proud he represents the university that I graduated from. I wouldn't be distraught, but I would be terribly disappointed.

I didn't give up my tickets when they fired the greatest Tiger of them all and a very good friend of our family, one Larry Finch. I also didn't give up my tickets when they hired that crap of a coach to replace him in Tic Price. And I haven't given up my tickets while watching Josh coach and never advance in the tournament past one game and get blasted in the conference tournament on our home floor. The school is way more important and means more to me than whomever is wearing the coat and tie on the sidelines.
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Well crap, firing Pastner would be unexpected.
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(11-13-2014 09:30 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  I'm in the small minority, especially today, but will go on record as saying if the U of M fires Coach Pastner I will give up my 6 season tickets. I don't know if he will ever be a great basketball coach, but he is a great person, a great role model, a great leader in these young men's lives, and I am proud he represents the university that I graduated from. I wouldn't be distraught, but I would be terribly disappointed.

AMEN!
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(11-13-2014 06:14 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  
(11-13-2014 06:05 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  well,

I am not trying to pile on. I really want to see this team and the program do well. 2:09 away from a national championship is a hard pill to swallow. Pastner will not get us back there.

Pastner was just a bad hire, as been said before. His contract is what it is because the business leaders/boosters simply bought the Kool-aid. They were stung by Cal and the subsequent NCAA sanctions. So, what they are paying for is Pastner's image, not performance.

But, the regular fan is still stinging from the 2008 National Championship game. We want to see the program succeed at its potential. With this much investment, there is no reason why this team can't compete for a national title every year. In order to do that, the program needs to be led by an actual coach. Pastner is good PR, but a terrible coach. What is happening is a huge waste of resources every year that Pastner gets to lead this program. He is just not ready to lead this program. It has been apparent since his second year, and not much has changed. This year should be his last, because it is going to take a tremendous COACHING job to even get a winning record and make the NIT, and Pastner has shown that he strength is PR, not coaching.

Ha. So when this team goes 18-13 and makes the NIT, are you gonna say Pastner did a tremendous job?

I don't think he said that. 07-coffee3
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(11-13-2014 09:30 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  I'm in the small minority, especially today, but will go on record as saying if the U of M fires Coach Pastner I will give up my 6 season tickets. I don't know if he will ever be a great basketball coach, but he is a great person, a great role model, a great leader in these young men's lives, and I am proud he represents the university that I graduated from. I wouldn't be distraught, but I would be terribly disappointed.

I agree that Josh is a great guy and great role model. I would add, though, that he's not the right coach for this job. He's just not.
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(11-13-2014 10:40 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(11-13-2014 06:14 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  
(11-13-2014 06:05 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  well,

I am not trying to pile on. I really want to see this team and the program do well. 2:09 away from a national championship is a hard pill to swallow. Pastner will not get us back there.

Pastner was just a bad hire, as been said before. His contract is what it is because the business leaders/boosters simply bought the Kool-aid. They were stung by Cal and the subsequent NCAA sanctions. So, what they are paying for is Pastner's image, not performance.

But, the regular fan is still stinging from the 2008 National Championship game. We want to see the program succeed at its potential. With this much investment, there is no reason why this team can't compete for a national title every year. In order to do that, the program needs to be led by an actual coach. Pastner is good PR, but a terrible coach. What is happening is a huge waste of resources every year that Pastner gets to lead this program. He is just not ready to lead this program. It has been apparent since his second year, and not much has changed. This year should be his last, because it is going to take a tremendous COACHING job to even get a winning record and make the NIT, and Pastner has shown that he strength is PR, not coaching.

Ha. So when this team goes 18-13 and makes the NIT, are you gonna say Pastner did a tremendous job?

I don't think he said that. 07-coffee3

Precisely. The NIT would be a big disappointment for a program who's head coach is in his 6th year and making $2.6 million/yr. My statement is more about how disappointing the roster appears to be, considering Pastner's calling card is recruiting. One would think there would be more talent on this roster than apparently is there.
11-14-2014 09:50 AM
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RE: Would anyone on here really be that distraught if Pastner is fired?
(11-14-2014 09:50 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  
(11-13-2014 10:40 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(11-13-2014 06:14 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  
(11-13-2014 06:05 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  well,

I am not trying to pile on. I really want to see this team and the program do well. 2:09 away from a national championship is a hard pill to swallow. Pastner will not get us back there.

Pastner was just a bad hire, as been said before. His contract is what it is because the business leaders/boosters simply bought the Kool-aid. They were stung by Cal and the subsequent NCAA sanctions. So, what they are paying for is Pastner's image, not performance.

But, the regular fan is still stinging from the 2008 National Championship game. We want to see the program succeed at its potential. With this much investment, there is no reason why this team can't compete for a national title every year. In order to do that, the program needs to be led by an actual coach. Pastner is good PR, but a terrible coach. What is happening is a huge waste of resources every year that Pastner gets to lead this program. He is just not ready to lead this program. It has been apparent since his second year, and not much has changed. This year should be his last, because it is going to take a tremendous COACHING job to even get a winning record and make the NIT, and Pastner has shown that he strength is PR, not coaching.

Ha. So when this team goes 18-13 and makes the NIT, are you gonna say Pastner did a tremendous job?

I don't think he said that. 07-coffee3

Precisely. The NIT would be a big disappointment for a program who's head coach is in his 6th year and making $2.6 million/yr. My statement is more about how disappointing the roster appears to be, considering Pastner's calling card is recruiting. One would think there would be more talent on this roster than apparently is there.

I think we have talent, it's up to Josh to get the best out of them and put them in a position to excel. Now if you are right and the talent is not that good, that too is squarely on the shoulders of the head coach who recruited the players and signed them.
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(11-13-2014 02:30 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Change is good... That is every bit as accurate as Barney Stinson saying "Newer is ALWAYS better!!!"

I remember another coach that lost a regular season game to Austin Peay and complained loudly that a coach only played zone in an exhibition game.... huh, but change is always good!!!!

Austin Peay is not CBU. The Austin Peay sqaud that beat Memphis won the OVC that year. They are a Div 1A program. CBU is a D2 school. Losing at home to OVC champ Austin Peay would be the the equivalent to losing to say... Murray State... which Josh did in 2011.
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(11-14-2014 10:18 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(11-13-2014 02:30 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Change is good... That is every bit as accurate as Barney Stinson saying "Newer is ALWAYS better!!!"

I remember another coach that lost a regular season game to Austin Peay and complained loudly that a coach only played zone in an exhibition game.... huh, but change is always good!!!!

Austin Peay is not CBU. The Austin Peay sqaud that beat Memphis won the OVC that year. They are a Div 1A program. CBU is a D2 school. Losing at home to OVC champ Austin Peay would be the the equivalent to losing to say... Murray State... which Josh did in 2011.
yes I remember that game and thought at the time....what the heck is Murray St. doing beating us on our floor?
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(11-13-2014 05:41 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Link: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/pas...on-year-ne (from May 2013) ..."Josh Pastner's new contract worth $2.65 million a year; nearly a $1 million annual raise"

"Dismissing Pastner solely because of the team's performance would be costly for the U of M. The Tigers would owe Pastner the balance of his contract — as many as four full seasons' salary, if he's dismissed before the date the contract automatically renews — if they wished to part with him."

"Pastner's contract is in effect for the next five seasons, through 2017-18. Automatic renewals are included after each of the next two seasons, meaning the deal is structured to extend through 2019-20."

Math: $2.65M x 4 = $10.6M ... still a chunk of change. Why smart, wealthy businessmen would do this is beyond me.


If they are smart and wealthy, they know what they are doing and how to analyze performance, unlike most on this board. The last time the geniuses on this board called for coaching changes, we ended up with tic price and Larry porter.
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(11-14-2014 09:57 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  I think we have talent, it's up to Josh to get the best out of them and put them in a position to excel. Now if you are right and the talent is not that good, that too is squarely on the shoulders of the head coach who recruited the players and signed them.

Talent alone should have beaten CBU, even if the players "sleepwalked" through an exhibition game. But you are right, whatever talent is on this team, Pastner recruited the players, and it is his job to coach them.
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I've been on the Pastner bandwagon from day one. However, I think the results are starting to show that he's spiralling down. I am not off of it yet because I don't freak out about an exhibition game, but it is more of watching good recruits come in under Pastner and basically just look like 2 star players under Pastner's coaching.

I say there should be a re-evaluation of Pastner at season's end if the season turns into a disastrous ones. I know there are plenty of the new talent, but the talent of guys like Goodwin, Nichols, King, and Iverson don't seem to get pulled out by Pastner (and same with some former players). I really like Pastner and I hope the CBU game will be just a mirage by season's end, but if this season does turn into a dumpster fire, it is time for a evaluation.

Maybe you give him another year with the Lawsons joining with Goodwin, Nichols, King, and Iverson and whomevet else...but I don't know. I just want to see the Tigers win.
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Guys it's not the talent, it's the system, philosophy, substitution patterns, bull headed ness etc. etc. Josh's system on both side of the ball doesn't work.
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(11-14-2014 10:46 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(11-13-2014 05:41 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Link: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/pas...on-year-ne (from May 2013) ..."Josh Pastner's new contract worth $2.65 million a year; nearly a $1 million annual raise"

"Dismissing Pastner solely because of the team's performance would be costly for the U of M. The Tigers would owe Pastner the balance of his contract — as many as four full seasons' salary, if he's dismissed before the date the contract automatically renews — if they wished to part with him."

"Pastner's contract is in effect for the next five seasons, through 2017-18. Automatic renewals are included after each of the next two seasons, meaning the deal is structured to extend through 2019-20."

Math: $2.65M x 4 = $10.6M ... still a chunk of change. Why smart, wealthy businessmen would do this is beyond me.


If they are smart and wealthy, they know what they are doing and how to analyze performance, unlike most on this board. The last time the geniuses on this board called for coaching changes, we ended up with tic price and Larry porter.

Your point is well taken ... they're certainly smarter than me. I guess with that sort of 100% guarantee, they must feel like he's the next Dean Smith or something.
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One word: NO

We pay $2.7 mil for mediocrity and a role model.

We can get that for much cheaper if that's all the goal is now.

And yes, I know we have been to the tournament 4 years in a row. But when they consistently end in blowouts that is not progress.

I don't think anything should happen now, but if this season turns out to be a disaster then I think some questions of change should come up. And for everyone that says wait one more year b/c of the Lawsons I have to ask: What is supposed to lead me to believe his coaching/communication will improve that much to where we will be a success with the new talent based on the past 5 years?
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(11-14-2014 10:46 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(11-13-2014 05:41 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Link: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/pas...on-year-ne (from May 2013) ..."Josh Pastner's new contract worth $2.65 million a year; nearly a $1 million annual raise"

"Dismissing Pastner solely because of the team's performance would be costly for the U of M. The Tigers would owe Pastner the balance of his contract — as many as four full seasons' salary, if he's dismissed before the date the contract automatically renews — if they wished to part with him."

"Pastner's contract is in effect for the next five seasons, through 2017-18. Automatic renewals are included after each of the next two seasons, meaning the deal is structured to extend through 2019-20."

Math: $2.65M x 4 = $10.6M ... still a chunk of change. Why smart, wealthy businessmen would do this is beyond me.


If they are smart and wealthy, they know what they are doing and how to analyze performance, unlike most on this board. The last time the geniuses on this board called for coaching changes, we ended up with tic price and Larry porter.

you can't blame that on the people here...the AD made those hires, he's gone right?
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