MOSUL: Gunmen seized Iraq's second-largest city Tuesday as troops threw away their uniforms and abandoned their posts, officials said, in another blow to the authorities, who appear incapable of stopping militant advances.

Predominantly Sunni Muslim Mosul, 350 kilometres (220 miles) north of Baghdad, has long been a militant stronghold and one of the most dangerous areas in the country.

Capital of Nineveh province, it is the second city after Fallujah, west of the capital, that the government has lost this year.


http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/worl...44060.html


Nothing..... nothing Obama could or ever would do can compare to the travesty of the wasted blood and spoils of W's Iraq misadventure.

The worst thing about Iraq is that it probably made Obama president.

Never fight a war that you don't intend to win.

(06-10-2014 06:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The worst thing about Iraq is that it probably made Obama president.

Never fight a war that you don't intend to win.

What would have been a win in Iraq? There was no way you could go in and keep long term peace. That's why we should have stayed away.

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I keep seeing this attempt at rehabilitating W's image. It all circles back to Iraq in my opinion. Either the GOP has to repudiate Iraq or embrace it. They are stuck in a no mans land if you ask me. How will the country ever trust them again if they don't know that answer. Did you agree with Iraq or disagree and why. If you disagree you throw W under the bus. If you agree the majority of the country wants you no where near the commander in chief job. They party has to come to grips with it somehow. They haven't yet.

I think Republicans will handle the results of Iraq
like Democrats handled the results of the Camp David Accords.

Not in the same zip code, state, or even country for that matter. Only a Republican would try to equate those two. Come to grips with reality.

Mach, how do the Dems get a pass with Iraq when most of them voted for it, like Hilary and Kerry for example.

I do agree with you on Iraq that it was horrible and will be a stain on W's legacy forever, but don't get how the Dems that supported it get a pass.

(06-10-2014 06:25 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 06:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The worst thing about Iraq is that it probably made Obama president.
Never fight a war that you don't intend to win.

What would have been a win in Iraq? There was no way you could go in and keep long term peace. That's why we should have stayed away.
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That's kind of my point. A war that you don't intend to win is going to end badly. Either go in to win, or don't go in. We didn't go into Iraq or Afghanistan to win, just like Vietnam before, and not one of them ended well.

I think a win in Iraq might well have been going into Afghanistan to win, thus proving to Saddam that we were serious and causing him to decide to behave. I think a win in Iraq might have been actually enforcing the first peace--when the weapons inspectors said they wanted to go to A, B, and C, and Saddam said okay for A and B but not C, we should have vaporized C. Do that a couple of times and we wouldn't have had nearly as many problems.

Why doesn't the assistant coach especially the offensive coordinator get the blame for a botched call?

Heck in that scenario the Democrats were the offensive line coach... a positional coach.


The offensive coordinator, QB, and head coach were all R.



................. now back on point. How does the GOP get over the stain without embracing or repudiating Bush? They have to do one or the other.

They are in a no mans land.

(06-10-2014 06:50 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Why doesn't the assistant coach especially the offensive coordinator get the blame for a botched call?
Heck in that scenario the Democrats were the offensive line coach... a positional coach.
The offensive coordinator, QB, and head coach were all R.
................. now back on point. How does the GOP get over the stain without embracing or repudiating Bush? They have to do one or the other.

They repudiate Bush, what I've been saying for years. Never fight a war you don't intend to win. Bush got us into two of them. And Obama made sure we didn't win either of them.

Bush told two lies.
1. That he would reduce the size of the federal government.
2. That he would get us out of the nation building business.

Those both need to become true.

Bush II and Obama will go down as 2 of the worst presidents in our history. I don't give a hoot about their legacy. That's their problem. Carter and Nixon survived it. I'm sure the two stooges will as well.

The Republicans will be fine after Obama get's done screwing things up. Carter was so bad that the public forgot all about Nixon in one term. I figure 2 terms of Obama ought to be enough to turn the tide.

You do realize Obama would win a third term if he could run right??????? I know he's not popular in the GOP circles but Obama is in the same place now as he was in 2010. I think he would win in another land slide if he could run another campaign. Hillary is going to swamp you guys with another glass ceiling candidacy in 16.

You will have a good night in 14. 16 will be another blood bath.

W is going to be an anchor around the GOP's neck for decades.

1) Obama's not real popular in any circle right now himself, and I doubt seriously he would win a third term.

2) If Nixon wasn't an anchor I don't see how Shrub will be.

3) I'm not a Republican, so Hillary won't be swamping anything of mine. The winner probably isn't even in the public eye as a candidate yet, just like Obuma back in 2006.

(06-10-2014 06:43 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Not in the same zip code, state, or even country for that matter. Only a Republican would try to equate those two. Come to grips with reality.

What about Vietnam? Nixon helped them out with Watergate but Johnson was the man who got us into Vietnam. What's his legacy and how much did the dems suffer for that? I don't think Iraq and Afganistan casualties combined have totaled what was lost in 'Nam.

1) it was the same in 2010

2) Nixon didn't pull an Iraq. Much worse.

3). I just think it's Hillary's time. We shall see.

Obama will be as toxic to the Dems as Bush is to the Republicans.

(06-10-2014 07:03 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You do realize Obama would win a third term if he could run right??????? I know he's not popular in the GOP circles but Obama is in the same place now as he was in 2010. I think he would win in another land slide if he could run another campaign. Hillary is going to swamp you guys with another glass ceiling candidacy in 16.

You will have a good night in 14. 16 will be another blood bath.

Why? idiots like you would vote for him and not know why...

You can't fix stupid

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Vietnam was a whole nother animal. I think we were used to kickin butt and takin names. Vietnam changed all of that. The first gulf war erased some of that stigma, but I think the country just views the entire ramp up and the execution of the war as reckless.