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(06-08-2014 05:56 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 05:52 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  A B9 comebacker, foul popup to first and popup to SS ends the Cardinal's season.

Vandy dogpiles.

In this case, I'd say it's appropriate as Vandy FINALLY got over the hump and made it to Omaha for the very first time. They've been elite level since 2008, so it's long overdue.

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(06-08-2014 05:56 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 05:52 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  A B9 comebacker, foul popup to first and popup to SS ends the Cardinal's season.

Vandy dogpiles.

In this case, I'd say it's appropriate as Vandy FINALLY got over the hump and made it to Omaha for the very first time. They've been elite level since 2008, so it's long overdue.

That's not correct, Walt.

Vandy made it to Omaha in 2011. They went 1-2, beating UNC before losing twice to Florida.
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(06-08-2014 06:05 PM)grol Wrote:  TT Dogpile

First time in school history to Omaha. Good time to dogpile
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As Walt posted earlier, Tech pitchers now have 39?, 40? Scoreless consecutive innings in post-season play.
College of Charleston didn't score a run this weekend. Tech scored 2.
A confirmation of the old adage "Offense wins games. Pitching and defense win Championships. " (did I get that quote right?)
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(06-08-2014 06:20 PM)greyowl72 Wrote:  As Walt posted earlier, Tech pitchers now have 39?, 40? Scoreless consecutive innings in post-season play.
College of Charleston didn't score a run this weekend. Tech scored 2.
A confirmation of the old adage "Offense wins games. Pitching and defense win Championships. " (did I get that quote right?)

Hope we prove that old adage true next year, as we'll have a ton of elite pitching-- an overabundance of wealth, really-- but a highly questionable offense outside of JC Reeves.
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(06-08-2014 09:19 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 06:20 PM)greyowl72 Wrote:  As Walt posted earlier, Tech pitchers now have 39?, 40? Scoreless consecutive innings in post-season play.
College of Charleston didn't score a run this weekend. Tech scored 2.
A confirmation of the old adage "Offense wins games. Pitching and defense win Championships. " (did I get that quote right?)

Hope we prove that old adage true next year, as we'll have a ton of elite pitching-- an overabundance of wealth, really-- but a highly questionable offense outside of JC Reeves.

How can you call an offense questionable when it hadn't made its debut? I will take your money now, 2015's offense will put up better numbers than 2014. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean there won't be a better product when they hit the field next Spring. You can compare the runs scored, 2015>2014. Enjoy the journey, quit trying to read the last pages of a book that hasn't been written.

This is Rice, same goals:
Win the Glove of Love
Win the CUSA regular season
Win the CUSA Tournament
Win 40+ games
Be selected to a Regional
Host a Regional
Host a Super Regional
Get to Omaha
Play the Final Weekend in Omaha
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Six years of no Omaha has changed my thinking -- the next time a Rice team clinches a CWS trip, if they want to dogpile, it's fine by me.
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(06-08-2014 10:14 PM)MJY Wrote:  Six years of no Omaha has changed my thinking -- the next time a Rice team clinches a CWS trip, if they want to dogpile, it's fine by me.

Did anyone dogpile after the regionals and didn't get bounced in the supers? Louisville?
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Five tickets punched -- no national seeds. The three national seeds left all have to play a deciding 3rd game. What a year!
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(06-08-2014 09:52 PM)13thOwl Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 09:19 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 06:20 PM)greyowl72 Wrote:  As Walt posted earlier, Tech pitchers now have 39?, 40? Scoreless consecutive innings in post-season play.
College of Charleston didn't score a run this weekend. Tech scored 2.
A confirmation of the old adage "Offense wins games. Pitching and defense win Championships. " (did I get that quote right?)

Hope we prove that old adage true next year, as we'll have a ton of elite pitching-- an overabundance of wealth, really-- but a highly questionable offense outside of JC Reeves.

How can you call an offense questionable when it hadn't made its debut? I will take your money now, 2015's offense will put up better numbers than 2014. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean there won't be a better product when they hit the field next Spring. You can compare the runs scored, 2015>2014. Enjoy the journey, quit trying to read the last pages of a book that hasn't been written.

This is Rice, same goals:
Win the Glove of Love
Win the CUSA regular season
Win the CUSA Tournament
Win 40+ games
Be selected to a Regional
Host a Regional
Host a Super Regional
Get to Omaha
Play the Final Weekend in Omaha
National Championship

13th, for heavens sake-- at this point (based on returning talent and nothing more) one has to classify our offense as "questionable". (Note, I didn't say a problem or a shortcoming; simply questionable.) Very different story from last year, when we returned all our position players save for Ratterree and Perrott, inclluding our top 5 hitters.

The good news is our pitching should be off-the-charts good...and deep. And if given the choice, I'll take pitching over offense any day of the week...and then some.
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I'm not so inclined to call our 2015 pitching as "elite". That assumes that Jordan comes back 100%, Jon shows a big step forward and can deliver 6+ innings of quality starts, Matt doesn't sign, and we can get significant contributions from the freshmen. We showed how thin we were pitching wise when we went into the losers bracket in the Regionals. As far as the backend of the staff stepping up I'm not sure we have given Austin and the others enough innings to be sure what they can really do.

Can they become "elite" of course, but it remains to be seen.
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Seems to me that what you really need are two starters and a closer. If I've got one elite pitcher, he's a starter. Two elite pitchers, two starters. Three elite pitchers, two starters and a closer. I'm going to fill the closer spot before my third starter.

You need two great starters to get you through the first two days of a regional. And I tend to agree with something I've heard Wayne say, that the most important game in a double elimination format is game #2. After the first two days, everybody is pretty much going with Johnny Allstaff, and that's where the shutdown closer puts you ahead of the game. As for the regular season, if you take every weekend series 2-1, you end up in pretty good shape, and whoever your #3 starter is, you're going to have games where you score enough that it doesn't really matter, particularly against their #3 starter.

2003 we had the big 3, but we also had Aardsma to shut things down on the back end. 2004 we still had the big 3, but we didn't have Aardsma, and we couldn't win a regional out of the loser's bracket--because after we forced the extra game, and had a lead late in that game, we couldn't hold it. It was the inability to close that game out, not Texas Southern, that cost us.

Although not 100%, it seems to me that year in and year out, the teams that make it to Omaha generally tend to have the great closer and the teams that don't, don't. That's kind of been our history, we've gotten there when we had the outstanding closer and fallen short when we didn't.
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(06-09-2014 08:45 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  I'm not so inclined to call our 2015 pitching as "elite". That assumes that Jordan comes back 100%, Jon shows a big step forward and can deliver 6+ innings of quality starts, Matt doesn't sign, and we can get significant contributions from the freshmen. We showed how thin we were pitching wise when we went into the losers bracket in the Regionals. As far as the backend of the staff stepping up I'm not sure we have given Austin and the others enough innings to be sure what they can really do.

Can they become "elite" of course, but it remains to be seen.

Tiki, I agree to a certain extent on Jordan, but from everything I'm hearing, it was a relatively "minor" TJS (meaning no replacement ligament required), and his rehab has proceeded on schedule.

IMO, I think you're selling Duplantier short. The kid has elite stuff as reflected in his low ERA and BAA, and relatively high K rate. The issue is his inconsistent command, which is a mental thing. He reminds me very much of a young Wade Townsend as a true Freshman. I think Jon can be a Friday night starter before he's done here.

McCanna and Fox both took HUGE steps this year, and should anchor our weekend rotation with or without Stephens. RHP Ricardo Salinas is a very highly regarded incoming Freshman, but I've just learned about a recent LHP JUCO signee from NJ, who the coaching staff is VERY high on and believe he will step right into the weekend rotation from the get-go. If true, that's 6 quality starters competing for 4 - 5 starting pitching slots.

As for the bullpen, aside from whomever "loses" out as starting pitchers, assuming Matty returns, you've got two proven and effective co-stoppers in Trevor Tekyl and Ditman, each with another year under their belts. In addition, you've got Evan Rutter, who has always had nasty stuff, along with McCarthy and Orewiler, each of whom got important D-I experience this year. I'm also hearing very good things about redshirt Freshman LHP (soft-tossing) McKelligott.

Consequently, though we had no depth this year due to injuries (Stephens, Rutter, Lemond and Ditman in the regionals) and Caleb Smith's inability to throw strikes, next year we should be absolutely loaded, and with most of our pitchers having D-I experience. Contrast that to this year, when heading into the season we had two all-americans in Stephens and Lemond, but very little else in proven returning talent. Yes, McCanna and Fox had both seen considerable action as true Freshman, but both were very inconsistent and had just mediocre across-the-board stats. The bullpen aside from Lemond was a gigantic question mark, as was the starting pitching beyond Jordan. And, BTW, IMO, Duplantier had a more effective Freshman season than Blake did in 2013.
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How can it be TJS without ligament replacement? Sure there are no surgical options to try to strengthen the ligament and let it heal, but TJS by definition is ligament replacement.
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(06-09-2014 09:00 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  2003 we had the big 3, but we also had Aardsma to shut things down on the back end. 2004 we still had the big 3, but we didn't have Aardsma, and we couldn't win a regional out of the loser's bracket--because after we forced the extra game, and had a lead late in that game, we couldn't hold it. It was the inability to close that game out, not Texas Southern, that cost us.

Agree-100%. I always thought that if we had gotten throught that regional, our pitching would have gotten us to the CWS final because of the format-best of 3 at home super, every other day in Omaha). We just didn't have the depth to play 5 games in 3 days. Though let's not forget that we lost Lance Pendleton during practice that week-our best hitter that year and Chris Kohlkorst, second best, during the TSU game.

And we almost made it anyway....
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(06-09-2014 09:02 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  but I've just learned about a recent LHP JUCO signee from NJ, who the coaching staff is VERY high on and believe he will step right into the weekend rotation from the get-go.

Do we have any JUCO bats coming in? We could really use a couple...
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(06-09-2014 01:47 PM)wheredidmypantsgo Wrote:  
(06-09-2014 09:02 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  but I've just learned about a recent LHP JUCO signee from NJ, who the coaching staff is VERY high on and believe he will step right into the weekend rotation from the get-go.

Do we have any JUCO bats coming in? We could really use a couple...

Yeah, we don't have a lot of pop left. Reeves and Taylor (in a very small sample size) are the only guys left on the team that slugged over .400. We will need some guys to learn how to drive the ball over the summer.
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(06-09-2014 01:52 PM)d1owls4life Wrote:  
(06-09-2014 01:47 PM)wheredidmypantsgo Wrote:  
(06-09-2014 09:02 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  but I've just learned about a recent LHP JUCO signee from NJ, who the coaching staff is VERY high on and believe he will step right into the weekend rotation from the get-go.

Do we have any JUCO bats coming in? We could really use a couple...

Yeah, we don't have a lot of pop left. Reeves and Taylor (in a very small sample size) are the only guys left on the team that slugged over .400. We will need some guys to learn how to drive the ball over the summer.

...or we change our offensive approach and really concentrate on executing the small ball game.

Have not heard of any JUCO bats as yet, but I do think we have at least one open scholarship available for a late signing.
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(06-09-2014 03:41 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(06-09-2014 01:52 PM)d1owls4life Wrote:  
(06-09-2014 01:47 PM)wheredidmypantsgo Wrote:  Do we have any JUCO bats coming in? We could really use a couple...

Yeah, we don't have a lot of pop left. Reeves and Taylor (in a very small sample size) are the only guys left on the team that slugged over .400. We will need some guys to learn how to drive the ball over the summer.

...or we change our offensive approach and really concentrate on executing the small ball game.

What impact do y'all think next year's lower-seam baseballs will have on our -- and other D1 teams' -- hitting prowess/effectiveness? They're supposed to travel farther (less drag) even though they start out at the same velocity off the bat, correct?
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We also had an 8-0 josh baker, w an ERA as good as humber, as our 4th starter

(06-09-2014 12:36 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  
(06-09-2014 09:00 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  2003 we had the big 3, but we also had Aardsma to shut things down on the back end. 2004 we still had the big 3, but we didn't have Aardsma, and we couldn't win a regional out of the loser's bracket--because after we forced the extra game, and had a lead late in that game, we couldn't hold it. It was the inability to close that game out, not Texas Southern, that cost us.

Agree-100%. I always thought that if we had gotten throught that regional, our pitching would have gotten us to the CWS final because of the format-best of 3 at home super, every other day in Omaha). We just didn't have the depth to play 5 games in 3 days. Though let's not forget that we lost Lance Pendleton during practice that week-our best hitter that year and Chris Kohlkorst, second best, during the TSU game.

And we almost made it anyway....
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