(04-17-2014 11:35 AM)lance99 Wrote:  

(04-16-2014 09:24 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  If a division comes....it needs to be a full break in governance and separate competition in ALL sports.

Semi-pro league versus NCAA league.

If we no longer have say in their rules....they no longer have any say in tailoring our rules to protect their monopoly.

I doubt they want that.

I think the do, in a way. After thinking about it, they want a split like the did for the IVY(granted, that Conference wanted to move down). Me as a fan would be totally disinterested if the P5 went that route.

Also, the notion that G5 fans would automatically start following P5 schools because of a split is far beyond delusional.

Ark30inf made me ponder a question: If the P5 becomes a Semi-Pro league(assuming Football only) as suggested, would the NFL go for that? Something tells me that the NFL will NEVER go for that, that would be direct competition.

I do know that some FBS schools need to move down, but so does some BCS schools do also. However,like said earlier in this thread, the P5 needs the G5, not the other way around.

The NFL wouldn't care. Its minor league football to their major league football. The NFL just wants its free minor league. The NFL avoids a tremendous financial burden by not having to fund a minor league. If the P5 left, the only chance the G5 would have is to market the left behind G5 as "REAL COLLEGE" football vs the P5's "MINOR LEAGUE FOOTBALL". That might help keep alive a niche market for the G5, but frankly, I think the G5 falls to FCS levels of support in a post G5/P5 split environment. That said, I don't see a G5/P5 split coming. If there is a split, it will be FBS splitting from the rest of D1.

(04-17-2014 12:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The NFL wouldn't care. Its minor league football to their major league football. The NFL just wants its free minor league. The NFL avoids a tremendous financial burden by not having to fund a minor league. If the P5 left, the only chance the G5 would have is to market the left behind G5 as "REAL COLLEGE" football vs the P5's "MINOR LEAGUE FOOTBALL". That might help keep alive a niche market for the G5, but frankly, I think the G5 falls to FCS levels of support in a post G5/P5 split environment.

Indeed, a "Real College Football" versus NFL Minor League marketing would pretty much be a concession that the Go5 had fallen down to FCS levels.

Quote: That said, I don't see a G5/P5 split coming. If there is a split, it will be FBS splitting from the rest of D1.

Yes ... that is the split that has the least risk to the P5, since it maintains the extra home for P5 schools and their local communities, and it avoids a kickback from the Go5 schools, weakening the strength of the inevitable backlash against the move.

But splitting is a last resort ... the P5 would rather get what they want by threatening a split than to deal with the backlash. Even if the backlash is unlikely to derail a split, it would still generate intra-NCAA turmoil that would weaken the ability of the organization to maintain the whole unpaid-labor racket that the NCAA is built to protect.

If the fabled split were to ever happen the first thing I do if I were a G5 would be lower academic standards, allow free transfer from P5 schools, offer stipends but also offer scholarship splitting, raise the annual signing cap.

(04-17-2014 05:49 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If the fabled split were to ever happen the first thing I do if I were a G5 would be lower academic standards, allow free transfer from P5 schools, offer stipends but also offer scholarship splitting, raise the annual signing cap.

There are a lot of rules that could be changed.

(04-17-2014 05:49 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If the fabled split were to ever happen the first thing I do if I were a G5 would be lower academic standards, allow free transfer from P5 schools, offer stipends but also offer scholarship splitting, raise the annual signing cap.

Which the P5 would then copy and then......

There are 20 colleges that can spend the money to be competitive while competing in a money is no object war with Notre Dame, Alabama, UT, etc. And Cal and Texas Tech aren't going to be two of them.

(04-17-2014 09:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 05:49 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If the fabled split were to ever happen the first thing I do if I were a G5 would be lower academic standards, allow free transfer from P5 schools, offer stipends but also offer scholarship splitting, raise the annual signing cap.

Which the P5 would then copy and then......

There are 20 colleges that can spend the money to be competitive while competing in a money is no object war with Notre Dame, Alabama, UT, etc. And Cal and Texas Tech aren't going to be two of them.

It would be very hard to get lowered initial eligibility standards approved in the P5. Pretty well count on opposition from most if not all of the privates and at the least the schools that are AAU or aspiring to join.

Free transfer from the G5 would be a hard sell as well.

(04-17-2014 09:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 05:49 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If the fabled split were to ever happen the first thing I do if I were a G5 would be lower academic standards, allow free transfer from P5 schools, offer stipends but also offer scholarship splitting, raise the annual signing cap.

Which the P5 would then copy and then......

There are 20 colleges that can spend the money to be competitive while competing in a money is no object war with Notre Dame, Alabama, UT, etc. And Cal and Texas Tech aren't going to be two of them.

They COULD copy. But they wouldn't necessarily want to.

The remainder NCAA would not have to win the war. The remainder NCAA would only have to carve out a niche that makes more money than they are allowed right now and generally be a bother.

I don't think anybody wants all that though.

(04-17-2014 10:50 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 09:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 05:49 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If the fabled split were to ever happen the first thing I do if I were a G5 would be lower academic standards, allow free transfer from P5 schools, offer stipends but also offer scholarship splitting, raise the annual signing cap.

Which the P5 would then copy and then......

There are 20 colleges that can spend the money to be competitive while competing in a money is no object war with Notre Dame, Alabama, UT, etc. And Cal and Texas Tech aren't going to be two of them.

They COULD copy. But they wouldn't necessarily want to.

The remainder NCAA would not have to win the war. The remainder NCAA would only have to carve out a niche that makes more money than they are allowed right now and generally be a bother.

I don't think anybody wants all that though.

They don't. The split has been forecast since at least the 50's and still hasn't arrived.

(04-16-2014 01:02 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(04-16-2014 08:28 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 12:55 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 11:58 AM)lance99 Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 11:52 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  If this is true then teach us a lesson by going and forming your own separate subdivision. That'll show us.

Honestly I almost want them to just to prove my point. If they split first(P5), they MUST give up everything and forfeit the money that goes with it(No March Madness, Frozen Four, CWS, ECT). They must start fresh. See how long the P5 last!

Not really. 1)We will form our own playoffs and 2)the NCAA can monitor the G5 and below. 3)I wonder who will make more money, 4)have better TV ratings and 5)better attendance?

I think we all know the answer to that.

1) You already have…. It’s called the College Football Playoff…..

2) It does already.... The P5 basically told the NCAA either do it our way or else....

3) You already make more $$$.... Your greed and the networks willing to satisfy it are destroying college football....

4) It depends on the school and the opponent.... I guarantee you FOX and the rest of the country could care less about the Texas Tech and Central Arkansas game next season. In fact, please remember to post the "national ratings" for that game….

5) Once again, it depends on the school and the opponent. Duke plays in a stadium that holds almost 40,000. ECU’s attendance is better than Duke’s—period.

1. I think the end goal is only P5 teams in the playoff. Do we want a school that only has to get up for 1 game a year thinking they belong? Not really.

Do you really think a G5 school will be allowed to play in the College Football Playoff? There's no way a G5 champ bumps a SEC, B10, ACC, B12, or PAC 12 Champ out of the playoffs. The day that happens, look for more rule changes to occur that will further keep us out of "their" playoff.....

(04-15-2014 01:21 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 01:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 12:25 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 12:01 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 11:58 AM)lance99 Wrote:  Honestly I almost want them to just to prove my point. If they split first(P5), they MUST give up everything and forfeit the money that goes with it(No March Madness, Frozen Four, CWS, ECT). They must start fresh. See how long the P5 last!

Splitting will inconvenience the P5.

No longer being able to sell your fans and recruits as being in the same division as Michigan, UCLA, North Carolina, Southern Cal and Bama and eligible (in theory) for the same bowls and playoffs (in both money sports) as they are will cause interest in G5 athletics to dry up and blow away over night and you know it.

As hard as it is for me to admit.... I have to agree with 10thMountain.... G5 fans act like networks' ratings will drop and the fans of power conferences will loose interest in their schools if a split occurs. The P5 would still play us just like we play FCS.

Yup. People only care about the top level of football. Whether the G5 could compete or not would no longer be the question. They wouldn't be playing in the top level of football and by default---the best football team in the country could never come from that division. Thus, fan interest would plummet, ticket sales would decline, media money would dry up, and donations would rapidly fall off a cliff. That is not a route the G5 wants to take.

The G5 can compete. The question becomes could the P5 find a way not to implode in the manner I posted, assuming there is a split.

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The only way we could compete is to offer a more exciting brand of football along with new markets. The G5 would have to become the G-Fource (the SBC would have to merge with the other four for fball) and play CIS schools:



Having an international audience is the only way that I see us having a slim chance to compete with the P5. We would play by their rules when visiting and they would play by ours when we're at home. The P5 has too much power for us to be able to compete against them on our own. Left by ourselves, we would become almost FCS level in the eyes of the nation. However, teams from our country playing those in another would put G-Fource football on another level in my opinion. Could such an endeavor eventually surpass a P5 only division? Maybe…but I do know that we can’t make it own our own.....