(03-23-2014 09:50 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 09:48 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 09:41 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  You guys that blame Pastner after every loss are so damn stupid.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

7 or 8 blowouts later this season and it cannot be a problem with the coach...

You meant to say "it's always a problem with the coach".


Look, Pastner isn't blameless and I've said many times that he has faults....but damn, we had half this board expecting a final four in his first two years. He was never given a fair shot on here and has been blamed for EVERYTHING.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I didn't expect a final 4 in his first two years and don't expect one next year.

I do want to see disciplined basketball and heart.

I expect bad games. I expect losses. Even the best teams lose sometimes and have bad games.

But effort and fundamental, disciplined basketball (especially D) are something individual players have a direct impact on.

I've been a season ticket holder for 15 years (and was a student going to games before that). This town LOVES hard-nosed gritty players who bring it - look at tony allen. Look at the way the crowd went crazy when DJ dove after a ball.

I don't expect a FF next year. What I do want is disciplined basketball, a team that values every possession, and a hard-nosed defensive mindset even during games where shots aren't falling.

I'll be happy with those results and the rest will take care of itself in due time.

(03-23-2014 09:36 PM)princessbuttercup1963 Wrote:  Doesn't really matter. We live and die with this team for this year. Its tough to watch but no one and i mean no one hates it more than these players and these coaches.

That's great, but at some point that desire has to turn into results.

The thread ignores the fact that UVa has better players. The best two players on the floor were wearing UVa unis (Harris and Brogdon).

(03-24-2014 01:02 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  The thread ignores the fact that UVa has better players. The best two players on the floor were wearing UVa unis (Harris and Brogdon).

Also our seeding sucked.

BTW, new coach and you're looking at several years of building to get to our current level

(03-24-2014 01:32 PM)tigerjaws Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 01:02 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  The thread ignores the fact that UVa has better players. The best two players on the floor were wearing UVa unis (Harris and Brogdon).

Also our seeding sucked.

BTW, new coach and you're looking at several years of building to get to our current level

You know who had the most impact on our seeding?

Us.

(03-24-2014 02:08 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 01:32 PM)tigerjaws Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 01:02 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  The thread ignores the fact that UVa has better players. The best two players on the floor were wearing UVa unis (Harris and Brogdon).

Also our seeding sucked.

BTW, new coach and you're looking at several years of building to get to our current level

You know who had the most impact on our seeding?

Us.

I thought it was the refs at UConn.

(03-23-2014 08:52 PM)jgardne Wrote:  Our players are quicker, more skilled, and similar sized. We should be beating Virginia. The difference is Virginia has a coach with a defensive and offensive game plan that the players go out and execute. We have a coach that says "Make shots" and whose idea of a motivational speech is to tell the team he's made the sweet 16 as a player and an assistant.

It's not the players. It's the coach. He doesn't have a plan or if he does he's entirely uncapable of getting the players to execute it.

Freaking terrible.

And Pastner will say "UVA made shots and we didn't"

Because you can't coach you freaking tool!

News Flash! UVA has better basketball players than Memphis.

My opinion, and yes I one of the best arm chair coaches in my neighborhood, fundamentals are the root of all things evil when you review the Tigers season.

So yes, coaching is the main problem.

My argument starts with Free throws. Starting with Shaq Goodwin, what kind of stance is he trying to do? His form goes against conventional wisdom when shooting free throws. What’s up with that?

His shot has no arch to speak of and is mostly a straight shot at the rim. These types of free throws are not very forgiving when they hit the rim.

If you watch a great free throw shooter, they are squared to the basket and knees slightly bent and have an arch that would make any rainbow proud.

Shaq is not the only one who shoots free throw in an unorthodox manor. Based on the free throw shooting percentage as a team everyone needs basic training in free throws.

Increasing the free throw percentage alone would have closed a big part of the beat down by Va. This would also, apply to many other parts of the game, too. Look at all these short jumpers that bounce all over the place.

When you break down these shots, you find low arching shots that never have a chance at the "shooters bounce". Tigers need a shooting coach badly.

There are other weak fundamentals, too. Where are our coaches on these issues? Maybe these problems start in high school or in AAU and are not addressed at college level.

What if someone actually work with our guys to become better shooters? Just saying, I am here if Josh needs me, 1-800 fre-throw.

(03-24-2014 06:15 AM)Mtyler Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 10:05 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 10:04 PM)bobby jo Wrote:  Why do we have top wait for Pastner or any coach to become great. Why? We have a top 10 or at least top 12 program. Great talent within the city. We pay our coaches well. It's the top ticket in town as well as having an NBA team. Why don't we hire a guy that can win big now?

How many of these already developed all star coaches were chomping at the bit to come here last time the job was open?


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

We'll I know of two we could of had a month ago. BP and BW

Memphis has a very high view of itself and the 'ballers' produced. Too bad others don't feel that way. You should get out more.

(03-24-2014 04:00 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 06:15 AM)Mtyler Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 10:05 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 10:04 PM)bobby jo Wrote:  Why do we have top wait for Pastner or any coach to become great. Why? We have a top 10 or at least top 12 program. Great talent within the city. We pay our coaches well. It's the top ticket in town as well as having an NBA team. Why don't we hire a guy that can win big now?

How many of these already developed all star coaches were chomping at the bit to come here last time the job was open?




Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I think im the ultimate sunshine pumper. I actually think the university of Memphis has as much to offer as any school who competes for basketball titles. Why would I think any different? I guess we could settle for mid major status, but nothing about our program suggests that. You are definitely entitled to do so however, and I respect your opinion.

We'll I know of two we could of had a month ago. BP and BW

Memphis has a very high view of itself and the 'ballers' produced. Too bad others don't feel that way. You should get out more.

(03-24-2014 08:28 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 09:50 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 09:48 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 09:41 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  You guys that blame Pastner after every loss are so damn stupid.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

7 or 8 blowouts later this season and it cannot be a problem with the coach...

You meant to say "it's always a problem with the coach".


Look, Pastner isn't blameless and I've said many times that he has faults....but damn, we had half this board expecting a final four in his first two years. He was never given a fair shot on here and has been blamed for EVERYTHING.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I didn't expect a final 4 in his first two years and don't expect one next year.

I do want to see disciplined basketball and heart.

I expect bad games. I expect losses. Even the best teams lose sometimes and have bad games.

But effort and fundamental, disciplined basketball (especially D) are something individual players have a direct impact on.

I've been a season ticket holder for 15 years (and was a student going to games before that). This town LOVES hard-nosed gritty players who bring it - look at tony allen. Look at the way the crowd went crazy when DJ dove after a ball.

I don't expect a FF next year. What I do want is disciplined basketball, a team that values every possession, and a hard-nosed defensive mindset even during games where shots aren't falling.

I'll be happy with those results and the rest will take care of itself in due time.

But wouldn't it be nice, just once in a situation like the Virginia game, to win a game you aren't supposed to in front of the whole world?

Just once?

(03-24-2014 04:10 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 08:28 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 09:50 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 09:48 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 09:41 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  You guys that blame Pastner after every loss are so damn stupid.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

7 or 8 blowouts later this season and it cannot be a problem with the coach...

You meant to say "it's always a problem with the coach".


Look, Pastner isn't blameless and I've said many times that he has faults....but damn, we had half this board expecting a final four in his first two years. He was never given a fair shot on here and has been blamed for EVERYTHING.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I didn't expect a final 4 in his first two years and don't expect one next year.

I do want to see disciplined basketball and heart.

I expect bad games. I expect losses. Even the best teams lose sometimes and have bad games.

But effort and fundamental, disciplined basketball (especially D) are something individual players have a direct impact on.

I've been a season ticket holder for 15 years (and was a student going to games before that). This town LOVES hard-nosed gritty players who bring it - look at tony allen. Look at the way the crowd went crazy when DJ dove after a ball.

I don't expect a FF next year. What I do want is disciplined basketball, a team that values every possession, and a hard-nosed defensive mindset even during games where shots aren't falling.

I'll be happy with those results and the rest will take care of itself in due time.

But wouldn't it be nice, just once in a situation like the Virginia game, to win a game you aren't supposed to in front of the whole world?

Just once?

We have done it many times. But those that jump on and off the bandwagon don't realize this.

(03-24-2014 04:10 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 08:28 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 09:50 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 09:48 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 09:41 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  You guys that blame Pastner after every loss are so damn stupid.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

7 or 8 blowouts later this season and it cannot be a problem with the coach...

You meant to say "it's always a problem with the coach".


Look, Pastner isn't blameless and I've said many times that he has faults....but damn, we had half this board expecting a final four in his first two years. He was never given a fair shot on here and has been blamed for EVERYTHING.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I didn't expect a final 4 in his first two years and don't expect one next year.

I do want to see disciplined basketball and heart.

I expect bad games. I expect losses. Even the best teams lose sometimes and have bad games.

But effort and fundamental, disciplined basketball (especially D) are something individual players have a direct impact on.

I've been a season ticket holder for 15 years (and was a student going to games before that). This town LOVES hard-nosed gritty players who bring it - look at tony allen. Look at the way the crowd went crazy when DJ dove after a ball.

I don't expect a FF next year. What I do want is disciplined basketball, a team that values every possession, and a hard-nosed defensive mindset even during games where shots aren't falling.

I'll be happy with those results and the rest will take care of itself in due time.

But wouldn't it be nice, just once in a situation like the Virginia game, to win a game you aren't supposed to in front of the whole world?

Just once?

I thought we did that twice versus Louisville this season.

Maybe I am not remembering those games correctly.

(03-23-2014 10:09 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 10:05 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 10:04 PM)bobby jo Wrote:  Why do we have top wait for Pastner or any coach to become great. Why? We have a top 10 or at least top 12 program. Great talent within the city. We pay our coaches well. It's the top ticket in town as well as having an NBA team. Why don't we hire a guy that can win big now?

How many of these already developed all star coaches were chomping at the bit to come here last time the job was open?


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Scott Drew and Pastner seemed to be the only ones that wanted the job.

I wanted the job.

Experience:

5 NBA 2k sports Championships, 3 of which were consecutive
3 NBA 2k sports MVP Awards
5 time NBA 2k sports 1st team
2 NBA 2k sports Defensive Player of the year Awards


Lead the University of Memphis to its first and only National Championship on College Hoops 2k8

P.S.
Will read MT.org and ask the fans what I should do.
I must be paid in monopoly money.

All i can say is that was a terrible game last nite. I was in Va. and i caught the blues today from u.va. fans. I was told we played out of control and the u.va. fans put that on the coach. I said its a good thing we didnt have Tarik Black or Antonio Barton and BRUCE PEARL!!!

100%?

every last bit of any loss was 100% coaching?

Wow.

That is the first- ever- for any program.

Not a wee reactionary right? We all know that Austin Nichols has never played anything but perfectly- so- it must be...100% coaching.

(of course "those" always take an idea like it is not necessarily 100% coaching to mean they think it is 0% coaching.

You posted 100%.

That means every last bit of every loss. Never the other team. Never player performance. Never fans. Never referees. None of those elements have anything to do at all- with how a game turns out.

Now we know.

Stand by your 100%.

(03-24-2014 05:29 PM)Mimi Wrote:  100%?

every last bit of any loss was 100% coaching?

Wow.

That is the first- ever- for any program.

Not a wee reactionary right? We all know that Austin Nichols has never played anything but perfectly- so- it must be...100% coaching.

(of course "those" always take an idea like it is not necessarily 100% coaching to mean they think it is 0% coaching.

You posted 100%.

That means every last bit of every loss. Never the other team. Never player performance. Never fans. Never referees. None of those elements have anything to do at all- with how a game turns out.

Now we know.

Stand by your 100%.

you're late.

CJP has 12 months to get us to the Sweet Sixteen or else I am afraid it is time to cut the chord (provided we can afford it). 6 years and NO Sweet 16 appearances (which is what will happen if we don't go to the Sweet 16 next year) for a 'top 15' program isn't cutting it.

Ah, bumping the thread that got me banned. I wonder how everyone feels about it now

At this level of basketball, so much of the game is between the ears. Confidence can be effected from one game to the next.

No, Josh doesnt go out and miss shots for the players, but he can do a lot to give them high percentage shots in the offense, and he can instill confidence if he had a clue

Josh isn't just a bad coach, he is a TERRIBLE motivator and instiller of confidence. His substitution patterns and gimmicks destroy what little is there. The OP forgot the getting to the S16 as a video coordinator part of the motivational speech. That part almost moved me to tears.

This is also where a guy like Bruce Pearl excels. Listen to his pre game against us in 2008, or the one he gave his players vs Kentucky a couple weeks ago. Josh just says "Golly Gee guys, I got there as a video coordinator. I want to go to the Sweet 16 again guys. Pretty please?"