(11-26-2013 09:21 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:09 AM)SouthPhillyFall Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:07 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:02 PM)Flying Bearcat Wrote:  Also technically the American is the old Big East.

But not in reality. It's a completely different conference than when it was known as the Big East. I get that people want to not ruffle feathers since there is a school or two in the conference that tries to solve all of its issues thru litigation, but c'mon. It's not fair to the rest of the FBS to allow an entity that is transformed in every way but it's legal status and paperwork to be seen as being no different than what it used to be. It's a farce and not fair.

UCF is better than all of the "Old Big East" this year. They deserve the autobid

No. The system in place today was rigged to allow an inferior team ranked in the lower regions of the the top 25 to leapfrog higher ranked teams simply because they play in the "wrong conferences". Back when the majority of the American schools were in CUSA, the fans of those schools loathed the idea that the Big East had the autobid when not at least ranked in the top 10. UCF most likely will not get that top 10 ranking before the post season starts.

Now all of a sudden the BCS isn't so bad anymore. LOL. Fortunately, it goes away for 2014. I guess it's irritating to see hypocrisy like this when the majority of the American fans loathed the BCS just a year ago and earlier.

Or to give a good team that might not have the SOS or exposure a chance to play a quality opponent.

Miko get off the computer for a few and get a life troll.

(11-25-2013 09:36 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If UCF (or Louisville) were undefeated, who knows how high the American champion would be ranked - and Northern Illinois might be on the outside looking in because they'd be ranked behind UCF (or Louisville).

Possible, but not likely, because NIU going undefeated will likely be no lower than 12 in the BCS standings (currently 14)...at 12 they don't need to be ranked higher than a BCS conference champ...

NIU is almost a shoe-in for #12, since teams above them will be taken a loss in the next 2 weeks (granted some of those losses will keep a few teams in the top ten, but all of 'em can't stay there, allowing NIU to move up).

Solid troll attempt, sadly some have taken the bait as though miko is actually attempting some reasonable discourse.

(11-26-2013 12:10 PM)wleakr Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 09:36 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If UCF (or Louisville) were undefeated, who knows how high the American champion would be ranked - and Northern Illinois might be on the outside looking in because they'd be ranked behind UCF (or Louisville).

Possible, but not likely, because NIU going undefeated will likely be no lower than 12 in the BCS standings (currently 14)...at 12 they don't need to be ranked higher than a BCS conference champ...

NIU is almost a shoe-in for #12, since teams above them will be taken a loss in the next 2 weeks (granted some of those losses will keep a few teams in the top ten, but all of 'em can't stay there, allowing NIU to move up).

actually no. If UCF was undefeated and #11 and NIU was #12- NIU would not be automatic. It's only the top non-AQ.

It's going to be even more laughable when the CFP rolls around and unranked fill-ins from the P5 get autobids to the Rose, Sugar, or Orange. Oh, the hypocracy!!

(11-26-2013 01:05 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  It's going to be even more laughable when the CFP rolls around and unranked fill-ins from the P5 get autobids to the Rose, Sugar, or Orange. Oh, the hypocracy!!

yep- like if Clemson made the playoff this year the Orange would get to choose a Duke team that just had gotten pounded by FSU.

(11-26-2013 09:21 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 09:09 AM)SouthPhillyFall Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:07 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:02 PM)Flying Bearcat Wrote:  Also technically the American is the old Big East.

But not in reality. It's a completely different conference than when it was known as the Big East. I get that people want to not ruffle feathers since there is a school or two in the conference that tries to solve all of its issues thru litigation, but c'mon. It's not fair to the rest of the FBS to allow an entity that is transformed in every way but it's legal status and paperwork to be seen as being no different than what it used to be. It's a farce and not fair.

UCF is better than all of the "Old Big East" this year. They deserve the autobid

No. The system in place today was rigged to allow an inferior team ranked in the lower regions of the the top 25 to leapfrog higher ranked teams simply because they play in the "wrong conferences". Back when the majority of the American schools were in CUSA, the fans of those schools loathed the idea that the Big East had the autobid when not at least ranked in the top 10. UCF most likely will not get that top 10 ranking before the post season starts.

Now all of a sudden the BCS isn't so bad anymore. LOL. Fortunately, it goes away for 2014. I guess it's irritating to see hypocrisy like this when the majority of the American fans loathed the BCS just a year ago and earlier.

I would not be so sure about that. If UCF wins their BCS bowl and returns their QB, RB, and two best WR, they will easily be in the preseason top 15. On top of that they play BYU, Missouri, Penn State, and Cincinnati. If they return key players and go undefeated they have a strong chance to make the playoffs.

They will have a much stronger conference next year with ECU coming in and USF/Uconn not being terrible.

(11-26-2013 08:44 AM)miko33 Wrote:  It was entertaining to read, but we know this is not true. I don't get why people try to put on airs around here to try to impress other posters. I prefer to keep things as truthful and as clear as possible. Clarity of thought and word will never steer you wrong. It's one of the credos I live by.

I understand you are skeptical. I would be too. I also live by clarity of thought. I agree, it will never steer you wrong. For this reason I will simplify the message of the story: It was more of a moral conscience type of decision made by the powers in CFB. They knew the AAC would have some good teams this year, teams that could compete in the top 15 (bcs range), so they let them keep the bid. The AAC was satisfied with the decision and decided it was in their best interest to work hard and play by the rules. That's all there is to it. You have to really look past the story to get the main reasoning.

As for your skepticism, here's a pic of us at The Burj. Pretty fun little restaurant. I've blurred out our faces to protect the former AD's son, but if you know what to look for you might be able to find our pic on the internet. He's is not just an AD's son, he's actually famous for other reasons (I wont go into details), so the paparazzi snapped a few photos of us...they're online if you know what to look for.

I'll give you an answer...just look at the polls.

Here is the final poll of 2012...with Syracuse and Pitt included in the Big East.

http://www.fbschedules.com/2013/01/final...-released/

I see two schools of the BE in the poll...Louisville and Cincy. Both are in the American. By definition, the American retained its BEST TEAMS this year.

Here is this week's poll....

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...gs/coaches

Well there you go...both L-ville and Cincy are in there. And so is UCF, who is better than either Pitt or Syracuse. So, from a top heavy standpoint, the FACTS show that the American is better now than when Pitt and Cuse were in the Big East.

So college football got it right...Miko's insinuation got it wrong.

If you are going to ask that question, why should Pittsburgh be in a P5 conference at all? They haven't done anything in football in 30 years yet get to ride on the coat tails of accomplishments that happened before the current players' parents had even gone through puberty.

I don't get the rancor and mean spirited retorts by the AAC fans in this thread. The goal here is to have a fruitful discussion on whether it makes sense or not. Granted, we don't have any control over it anyways, so this was meant as a discussion on how valid a contract should be given the notion that the conference that inked the deal is no longer in tact from a membership POV. But instead of having a fruitful discussion, we are subjected to a d!ck measuring contest. Mission accomplished! Another thread ruined by unruly G5 fans...

another thread started by the Master Troll.. That's all you were doing, what the **** did you expect?

(11-26-2013 03:57 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I don't get the rancor and mean spirited retorts by the AAC fans in this thread. The goal here is to have a fruitful discussion on whether it makes sense or not. Granted, we don't have any control over it anyways, so this was meant as a discussion on how valid a contract should be given the notion that the conference that inked the deal is no longer in tact from a membership POV. But instead of having a fruitful discussion, we are subjected to a d!ck measuring contest. Mission accomplished! Another thread ruined by unruly G5 fans...

You are lucky I stepped down from moderator duties here or I'd have banned you a year ago for your continued trolling.

(11-26-2013 03:59 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 03:57 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I don't get the rancor and mean spirited retorts by the AAC fans in this thread. The goal here is to have a fruitful discussion on whether it makes sense or not. Granted, we don't have any control over it anyways, so this was meant as a discussion on how valid a contract should be given the notion that the conference that inked the deal is no longer in tact from a membership POV. But instead of having a fruitful discussion, we are subjected to a d!ck measuring contest. Mission accomplished! Another thread ruined by unruly G5 fans...

You are lucky I stepped down from moderator duties here or I'd have banned you a year ago for your continued trolling.

This is getting out of hand. I thought this was a valid discussion and it did start out OK. Then people had to start throwing attacks at others for no good reason.

(11-26-2013 04:05 PM)miko33 Wrote:  This is getting out of hand. I thought this was a valid discussion and it did start out OK. Then people had to start throwing attacks at others for no good reason.

You are out of hand. You add nothing to any discussions ever outside of some BS fake rumors to stir up trouble. You don't add these to "discuss" anything, you are only here to create a pissing match between parties.

Since Pitt hasn't done anything of note in football in 30+ years why do they still field a team?

(11-26-2013 03:57 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I don't get the rancor and mean spirited retorts by the AAC fans in this thread. The goal here is to have a fruitful discussion on whether it makes sense or not.

That is your claim, but your comments make it seem much more likely that the goal here was for you to complain about it in hopes of provoking an argument about it.

(11-25-2013 07:03 PM)miko33 Wrote:  The bottom line is the AAC champion will be several notches lower than the other champs and runners up in the other P5 conferences. Combine that with the notion that the AAC bears very little resemblance to the original Big East all sports conference and it's not even debatable.

See, your argument implies that there shouldn't be Automatic Qualification at all, but rather all at-large picks with winning a conference championship game entering into the ranking like any other game in the season.

Now, its highly unlikely that you are unable to understand WHY there is Automatic Qualification, nor that you are unable to understand that if its AQ, it will sometimes mean schools make it by virtue of their conference performance when their OOC performance wouldn't justify it ... you seem to simply wish to have another argument about the pros and cons of having BCS AQ before the new system comes into place.

To me, the advantage of having those places decided on the field instead of just by the market value of the teams, which is what would ACTUALLY happen under the all-at-large system you are tacitly arguing for, outweighs the disadvantage that sometimes the best team on the day of the CCG is not the best team over the season.

Who cares if it "makes sense or not"? It's already done and nobody here, nor anyone with fake "inside sources" can change it.

It's a one year carry over from the Big East, the powers that manage it have all agreed to the terms and that's it, period.

/thread

(11-26-2013 01:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 12:10 PM)wleakr Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 09:36 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If UCF (or Louisville) were undefeated, who knows how high the American champion would be ranked - and Northern Illinois might be on the outside looking in because they'd be ranked behind UCF (or Louisville).

Possible, but not likely, because NIU going undefeated will likely be no lower than 12 in the BCS standings (currently 14)...at 12 they don't need to be ranked higher than a BCS conference champ...

NIU is almost a shoe-in for #12, since teams above them will be taken a loss in the next 2 weeks (granted some of those losses will keep a few teams in the top ten, but all of 'em can't stay there, allowing NIU to move up).

actually no. If UCF was undefeated and #11 and NIU was #12- NIU would not be automatic. It's only the top non-AQ.

Exactly true...which means that NIU and UCF would BOTH get bids (assuming Fresno is behind NIU - which they currently are)...UCF automatic for being a BCS champ and NIU automatic for being the highest ranked non-BCS champ within the top 12.

(11-26-2013 04:56 PM)Blackhawk-eye Wrote:  Who cares if it "makes sense or not"? It's already done and nobody here, nor anyone with fake "inside sources" can change it.

It's a one year carry over from the Big East, the powers that manage it have all agreed to the terms and that's it, period.

/thread

x2. That is why Miko is nothing but a troll.

(11-25-2013 03:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I don't understand why they still have an auto bid. The conference changed so fundamentally on the FB side that it should no longer be a part of the BCS. No offense to the American conf fans intended, but it's a far cry from what the conference used to look like when the BCS contract was renewed. In the interest of fairness, it the American's auto bid should go become an at large bid.

Why, cause we lost the perpetual doormats of Pitt and Syracuse. The conference is better this year without the doormats. USF/Houston/SMU would all clean your clock. Didn't SMU just do it last year or the year before.