(11-25-2013 06:11 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 03:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I don't understand why they still have an auto bid. The conference changed so fundamentally on the FB side that it should no longer be a part of the BCS. No offense to the American conf fans intended, but it's a far cry from what the conference used to look like when the BCS contract was renewed. In the interest of fairness, it the American's auto bid should go become an at large bid.

Why does Pitt go 6-6 every year? UCF, Cincinnati, or Ville would smack Pitt all over the field, same for Cuse and WVU. The football got better when your program left.

ok now you are just being stupid.

cuse actually plays decent OOC teams & decent ACC teams. they dont pull the cupcake BS that cincy does.

cincy ooc opponent record 10-34
syracuse ooc opponent record 20-24

cincy aac opponent record 21-47
syracuse acc opponent record 47-29

combined opponent record
cincy 31-81
syracuse 67-53

cincy is the definition of stat padding cupcakes.

-you have yet to play a single opponent with a winning record.

-you play in the "tough" AAC however after cincy the AAC has just 2 other teams of note, cincy conference dodges one of them and doesnt play the other until the final game of the season.

-your ooc is most likely the weakest in the nation consisting of 2 horrible b10 teams with a combined record of 5-17 (one of which beat you), a winless mac team, and an FCS who doesnt even have a winning record.

-you only have 8 wins vs FBS programs. of those 8 wins, 4 of them came from schools with a combined 3-40 record.

you seriously need to take your sh.it talking about su, pitt & wvu and shove it. with stats like that you have ZERO right to talk about your program being able to hang with those 3 until you play someone with a pulse.

(11-25-2013 07:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 06:11 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 03:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I don't understand why they still have an auto bid. The conference changed so fundamentally on the FB side that it should no longer be a part of the BCS. No offense to the American conf fans intended, but it's a far cry from what the conference used to look like when the BCS contract was renewed. In the interest of fairness, it the American's auto bid should go become an at large bid.

Why does Pitt go 6-6 every year? UCF, Cincinnati, or Ville would smack Pitt all over the field, same for Cuse and WVU. The football got better when your program left.

ok now you are just being stupid.

cuse actually plays decent OOC teams & decent ACC teams. they dont pull the cupcake BS that cincy does.

cincy ooc opponent record 10-34
syracuse ooc opponent record 20-24

cincy aac opponent record 21-47
syracuse acc opponent record 47-29

combined opponent record
cincy 31-81
syracuse 67-53

cincy is the definition of stat padding cupcakes.

-you have yet to play a single opponent with a winning record.

-you play in the "tough" AAC however after cincy the AAC has just 2 other teams of note, cincy conference dodges one of them and doesnt play the other until the final game of the season.

-your ooc is most likely the weakest in the nation consisting of 2 horrible b10 teams with a combined record of 5-17 (one of which beat you), a winless mac team, and an FCS who doesnt even have a winning record.

-you only have 8 wins vs FBS programs. of those 8 wins, 4 of them came from schools with a combined 3-40 record.

you seriously need to take your sh.it talking about su, pitt & wvu and shove it. with stats like that you have ZERO right to talk about your program being able to hang with those 3 until you play someone with a pulse.

Can't always help the schedule especially since Cincy scheduled most of those easy games when they were in the big east thinking they would play enough quality teams in conference. Look at Cincys future schedule for out of conference now that they know they aren't going to have as tough as a conference slate. They play OSU, Michigan, BYU twice, Miami Florida twice, and Purdue all within the next 4 years.

Btw, last i checked Cincy did just fine the last 7 years in the big east while Syracuse struggled big time, Pitt started trending down hill. WV will be just fine they just need a new coach in my opinion.

(11-25-2013 07:51 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 07:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 06:11 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 03:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I don't understand why they still have an auto bid. The conference changed so fundamentally on the FB side that it should no longer be a part of the BCS. No offense to the American conf fans intended, but it's a far cry from what the conference used to look like when the BCS contract was renewed. In the interest of fairness, it the American's auto bid should go become an at large bid.

Why does Pitt go 6-6 every year? UCF, Cincinnati, or Ville would smack Pitt all over the field, same for Cuse and WVU. The football got better when your program left.

ok now you are just being stupid.

cuse actually plays decent OOC teams & decent ACC teams. they dont pull the cupcake BS that cincy does.

cincy ooc opponent record 10-34
syracuse ooc opponent record 20-24

cincy aac opponent record 21-47
syracuse acc opponent record 47-29

combined opponent record
cincy 31-81
syracuse 67-53

cincy is the definition of stat padding cupcakes.

-you have yet to play a single opponent with a winning record.

-you play in the "tough" AAC however after cincy the AAC has just 2 other teams of note, cincy conference dodges one of them and doesnt play the other until the final game of the season.

-your ooc is most likely the weakest in the nation consisting of 2 horrible b10 teams with a combined record of 5-17 (one of which beat you), a winless mac team, and an FCS who doesnt even have a winning record.

-you only have 8 wins vs FBS programs. of those 8 wins, 4 of them came from schools with a combined 3-40 record.

you seriously need to take your sh.it talking about su, pitt & wvu and shove it. with stats like that you have ZERO right to talk about your program being able to hang with those 3 until you play someone with a pulse.

Can't always help the schedule especially since Cincy scheduled most of those easy games when they were in the big east thinking they would play enough quality teams in conference. Look at Cincys future schedule for out of conference now that they know they aren't going to have as tough as a conference slate. They play OSU, Michigan, BYU twice, Miami Florida twice, and Purdue all within the next 4 years.

Btw, last i checked Cincy did just fine the last 7 years in the big east while Syracuse struggled big time, Pitt started trending down hill. WV will be just fine they just need a new coach in my opinion.

yeah and i get that its hard to make a schedule 7 years in advanced. very rarely do i ever make fun of other schools SOS's (unless its an sec school).

but wen a cincy fan says hes better than cuse simply because they have a better record.....i will surely bring up cincys sub par sos.

now as for SU sucking the last couple years, keep in mind that that was the worst 10 years in our programs history and came as the result of greg rob who has also played a part in trashing michigan & texas

(11-25-2013 07:51 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 07:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 06:11 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 03:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I don't understand why they still have an auto bid. The conference changed so fundamentally on the FB side that it should no longer be a part of the BCS. No offense to the American conf fans intended, but it's a far cry from what the conference used to look like when the BCS contract was renewed. In the interest of fairness, it the American's auto bid should go become an at large bid.

Why does Pitt go 6-6 every year? UCF, Cincinnati, or Ville would smack Pitt all over the field, same for Cuse and WVU. The football got better when your program left.

ok now you are just being stupid.

cuse actually plays decent OOC teams & decent ACC teams. they dont pull the cupcake BS that cincy does.

cincy ooc opponent record 10-34
syracuse ooc opponent record 20-24

cincy aac opponent record 21-47
syracuse acc opponent record 47-29

combined opponent record
cincy 31-81
syracuse 67-53

cincy is the definition of stat padding cupcakes.

-you have yet to play a single opponent with a winning record.

-you play in the "tough" AAC however after cincy the AAC has just 2 other teams of note, cincy conference dodges one of them and doesnt play the other until the final game of the season.

-your ooc is most likely the weakest in the nation consisting of 2 horrible b10 teams with a combined record of 5-17 (one of which beat you), a winless mac team, and an FCS who doesnt even have a winning record.

-you only have 8 wins vs FBS programs. of those 8 wins, 4 of them came from schools with a combined 3-40 record.

you seriously need to take your sh.it talking about su, pitt & wvu and shove it. with stats like that you have ZERO right to talk about your program being able to hang with those 3 until you play someone with a pulse.

Can't always help the schedule especially since Cincy scheduled most of those easy games when they were in the big east thinking they would play enough quality teams in conference. Look at Cincys future schedule for out of conference now that they know they aren't going to have as tough as a conference slate. They play OSU, Michigan, BYU twice, Miami Florida twice, and Purdue all within the next 4 years.

Btw, last i checked Cincy did just fine the last 7 years in the big east while Syracuse struggled big time, Pitt started trending down hill. WV will be just fine they just need a new coach in my opinion.

yeah and i get that its hard to make a schedule 7 years in advanced. very rarely do i ever make fun of other schools SOS's (unless its an sec school).

but wen a cincy fan says hes better than cuse simply because they have a better record.....i will surely bring up cincys sub par sos.

now as for SU sucking the last couple years, keep in mind that that was the worst 10 years in our programs history and came as the result of greg rob who has also played a part in trashing michigan & texas

Schedules only mean so much you still have to win the games you play.

Cuse is awful don't understand how you could deny that. Cinci would roll cuse.

If UCF (or Louisville) were undefeated, who knows how high the American champion would be ranked - and Northern Illinois might be on the outside looking in because they'd be ranked behind UCF (or Louisville).

A good buddy of mine, the son of a retired B10 AD/former media exec (I won't name the school), explained this to me when we were having drinks atop the Burj Khalifa in Dubai last summer. He insists that everyone at the top of college football is aware of the fact that the G5 can string together some very good teams. He also divulged the plans of a radical underground G5 community (consisting of some of the top Ivy league brains) to overthrow P5 execs in order to get "their own kind" hired on the "inside." Once inside, they would begin to dismantle the P5 with new rules (including a playoff where every conference gets an auto-bid). It was funded with Oil money from the Texas G5 schools who later recruited T. Bone Pickens and other friends from Texas P5 universities (sans A&M) to help fund the plan in exchange for a sweetheart deal for the B12......Long story short these P5 execs caught wind of this, calmed down the SMU boosters who provided much of the financial backing, and told them the AAC could have the bid this year. They said this was the "fairest" deal that they could come up with, and admitted that the AAC actually has some good programs. The AAC was then convinced that if they worked hard enough, the TV exposure plus a bcs win (it was part of the deal, the BCS game is a guaranteed AAC win) would bring their conference to national relevancy.

Whether this holds true or not is yet to be seen.......and that's how the bid was kept. Forgive me for the sloppy details... drinks at "The Burj" (what us American insiders call it) can make memory a little hazy.... it's an altitude thing.

(11-25-2013 05:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 05:06 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Who cares, since Louisville (10-1), UCF (9-1) and Cincy (9-2) are all currently ranked in the coaches' poll. The American will provide as good a champion this year (if not better than):

Big East in 1998 (15th ranked Syracuse at 8-3)
Pac 12 in 1999 (22nd ranked Stanford at 8-3)
Big 10 in 2000 (17th ranked Purdue at 8-3)
ACC in 2002(14th ranked Florida St at 9-4)
Big East in 2004 (21st ranked Pitt at 8-3)
Big 10 in 2004 (13th ranked Michigan at 9-2)
ACC in 2005 (22nd ranked Florida St at 8-4)
ACC in 2006 (14th ranked Wake at 11-2)
Big 10 in 2007 (13th ranked Illinois at 9-3)
ACC in 2008 (19th ranked Virginia Tech at 9-4)
Big East in 2010 (unranked UConn at 8-4)
ACC in 2011 (15th ranked Clemson at 9-3)
Big East in 2011 (23rd ranked West Va at 9-3)
Big 10 in 2012 (unranked Wisconsin at 8-5)
Big East in 2012 (21st ranked Louisville at 10-2)

Interesting post:
BIg East 5 times (3 now in ACC, 1 B12, 1 AAC)
ACC 5 times
Big 10 4 times
Pac 1 time
SEC 0
Big 12 0

More interesting point:

That 23rd ranked West Virginia team rolled Clemson 70-33 in the Orange Bowl

That 21st ranked Louisville team beat Florida in the Sugar Bowl last year.

As usual, their teams were underrated while teams from other conferences were overrated.

It's in the contract. That's all that needs to be said.

(11-25-2013 09:42 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  A good buddy of mine, the son of a retired B10 AD/former media exec (I won't name the school), explained this to me when we were having drinks atop the Burj Khalifa in Dubai last summer. He insists that everyone at the top of college football is aware of the fact that the G5 can string together some very good teams. He also divulged the plans of a radical underground G5 community (consisting of some of the top Ivy league brains) to overthrow P5 execs in order to get "their own kind" hired on the "inside." Once inside, they would begin to dismantle the P5 with new rules (including a playoff where every conference gets an auto-bid). It was funded with Oil money from the Texas G5 schools who later recruited T. Bone Pickens and other friends from Texas P5 universities (sans A&M) to help fund the plan in exchange for a sweetheart deal for the B12......Long story short these P5 execs caught wind of this, calmed down the SMU boosters who provided much of the financial backing, and told them the AAC could have the bid this year. They said this was the "fairest" deal that they could come up with, and admitted that the AAC actually has some good programs. The AAC was then convinced that if they worked hard enough, the TV exposure plus a bcs win (it was part of the deal, the BCS game is a guaranteed AAC win) would bring their conference to national relevancy.

Whether this holds true or not is yet to be seen.......and that's how the bid was kept. Forgive me for the sloppy details... drinks at the Burj (what us American insiders call it) can make memory a little hazy.... it's an altitude thing.

I'll take your contacts over miko's anyday.

(11-25-2013 09:42 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  A good buddy of mine, the son of a retired B10 AD/former media exec (I won't name the school), explained this to me when we were having drinks atop the Burj Khalifa in Dubai last summer. He insists that everyone at the top of college football is aware of the fact that the G5 can string together some very good teams. He also divulged the plans of a radical underground G5 community (consisting of some of the top Ivy league brains) to overthrow P5 execs in order to get "their own kind" hired on the "inside." Once inside, they would begin to dismantle the P5 with new rules (including a playoff where every conference gets an auto-bid). It was funded with Oil money from the Texas G5 schools who later recruited T. Bone Pickens and other friends from Texas P5 universities (sans A&M) to help fund the plan in exchange for a sweetheart deal for the B12......Long story short these P5 execs caught wind of this, calmed down the SMU boosters who provided much of the financial backing, and told them the AAC could have the bid this year. They said this was the "fairest" deal that they could come up with, and admitted that the AAC actually has some good programs. The AAC was then convinced that if they worked hard enough, the TV exposure plus a bcs win (it was part of the deal, the BCS game is a guaranteed AAC win) would bring their conference to national relevancy.

Whether this holds true or not is yet to be seen.......and that's how the bid was kept. Forgive me for the sloppy details... drinks at "The Burj" (what us American insiders call it) can make memory a little hazy.... it's an altitude thing.

Bravo, sir




Your move, Miko

(11-25-2013 04:07 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:02 PM)Flying Bearcat Wrote:  Also technically the American is the old Big East.

But not in reality. It's a completely different conference than when it was known as the Big East. I get that people want to not ruffle feathers since there is a school or two in the conference that tries to solve all of its issues thru litigation, but c'mon. It's not fair to the rest of the FBS to allow an entity that is transformed in every way but it's legal status and paperwork to be seen as being no different than what it used to be. It's a farce and not fair.

Miko your school is so far from being in the mix for a bcs bid that it isn't even funny. Should have stayed where it was, at least you could have stayed middle of the pack.

(11-25-2013 03:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I don't understand why they still have an auto bid. The conference changed so fundamentally on the FB side that it should no longer be a part of the BCS. No offense to the American conf fans intended, but it's a far cry from what the conference used to look like when the BCS contract was renewed. In the interest of fairness, it the American's auto bid should go become an at large bid.

Because AAC football is far superior to anything the Big East ever put on the field, and objective observers know it troll. The real question is why does Pitt have a football team, but I guess every real team needs a couple of cupcakes on the schedule.

UCF fans: you are detracting from the discussion. My premise is that the agreement was with an entity that looked very different than what we see today. All you two are doing are smack talking and trying to rile up other posters. I suppose I can now empathize with USF fans after seeing the boorish behavior on display in this thread...

(11-25-2013 11:40 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 09:42 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  A good buddy of mine, the son of a retired B10 AD/former media exec (I won't name the school), explained this to me when we were having drinks atop the Burj Khalifa in Dubai last summer. He insists that everyone at the top of college football is aware of the fact that the G5 can string together some very good teams. He also divulged the plans of a radical underground G5 community (consisting of some of the top Ivy league brains) to overthrow P5 execs in order to get "their own kind" hired on the "inside." Once inside, they would begin to dismantle the P5 with new rules (including a playoff where every conference gets an auto-bid). It was funded with Oil money from the Texas G5 schools who later recruited T. Bone Pickens and other friends from Texas P5 universities (sans A&M) to help fund the plan in exchange for a sweetheart deal for the B12......Long story short these P5 execs caught wind of this, calmed down the SMU boosters who provided much of the financial backing, and told them the AAC could have the bid this year. They said this was the "fairest" deal that they could come up with, and admitted that the AAC actually has some good programs. The AAC was then convinced that if they worked hard enough, the TV exposure plus a bcs win (it was part of the deal, the BCS game is a guaranteed AAC win) would bring their conference to national relevancy.

Whether this holds true or not is yet to be seen.......and that's how the bid was kept. Forgive me for the sloppy details... drinks at "The Burj" (what us American insiders call it) can make memory a little hazy.... it's an altitude thing.

Bravo, sir




Your move, Miko

It was entertaining to read, but we know this is not true. I don't get why people try to put on airs around here to try to impress other posters. I prefer to keep things as truthful and as clear as possible. Clarity of thought and word will never steer you wrong. It's one of the credos I live by.

(11-25-2013 04:07 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:02 PM)Flying Bearcat Wrote:  Also technically the American is the old Big East.

But not in reality. It's a completely different conference than when it was known as the Big East. I get that people want to not ruffle feathers since there is a school or two in the conference that tries to solve all of its issues thru litigation, but c'mon. It's not fair to the rest of the FBS to allow an entity that is transformed in every way but it's legal status and paperwork to be seen as being no different than what it used to be. It's a farce and not fair.

UCF is better than all of the "Old Big East" this year. They deserve the autobid

(11-26-2013 08:44 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 11:40 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 09:42 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  A good buddy of mine, the son of a retired B10 AD/former media exec (I won't name the school), explained this to me when we were having drinks atop the Burj Khalifa in Dubai last summer. He insists that everyone at the top of college football is aware of the fact that the G5 can string together some very good teams. He also divulged the plans of a radical underground G5 community (consisting of some of the top Ivy league brains) to overthrow P5 execs in order to get "their own kind" hired on the "inside." Once inside, they would begin to dismantle the P5 with new rules (including a playoff where every conference gets an auto-bid). It was funded with Oil money from the Texas G5 schools who later recruited T. Bone Pickens and other friends from Texas P5 universities (sans A&M) to help fund the plan in exchange for a sweetheart deal for the B12......Long story short these P5 execs caught wind of this, calmed down the SMU boosters who provided much of the financial backing, and told them the AAC could have the bid this year. They said this was the "fairest" deal that they could come up with, and admitted that the AAC actually has some good programs. The AAC was then convinced that if they worked hard enough, the TV exposure plus a bcs win (it was part of the deal, the BCS game is a guaranteed AAC win) would bring their conference to national relevancy.

Whether this holds true or not is yet to be seen.......and that's how the bid was kept. Forgive me for the sloppy details... drinks at "The Burj" (what us American insiders call it) can make memory a little hazy.... it's an altitude thing.

Bravo, sir




Your move, Miko

It was entertaining to read, but we know this is not true. I don't get why people try to put on airs around here to try to impress other posters. I prefer to keep things as truthful and as clear as possible. Clarity of thought and word will never steer you wrong. It's one of the credos I live by.

What's the other, to troll as hard as possible?

(11-26-2013 09:09 AM)SouthPhillyFall Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:07 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:02 PM)Flying Bearcat Wrote:  Also technically the American is the old Big East.

But not in reality. It's a completely different conference than when it was known as the Big East. I get that people want to not ruffle feathers since there is a school or two in the conference that tries to solve all of its issues thru litigation, but c'mon. It's not fair to the rest of the FBS to allow an entity that is transformed in every way but it's legal status and paperwork to be seen as being no different than what it used to be. It's a farce and not fair.

UCF is better than all of the "Old Big East" this year. They deserve the autobid

No. The system in place today was rigged to allow an inferior team ranked in the lower regions of the the top 25 to leapfrog higher ranked teams simply because they play in the "wrong conferences". Back when the majority of the American schools were in CUSA, the fans of those schools loathed the idea that the Big East had the autobid when not at least ranked in the top 10. UCF most likely will not get that top 10 ranking before the post season starts.

Now all of a sudden the BCS isn't so bad anymore. LOL. Fortunately, it goes away for 2014. I guess it's irritating to see hypocrisy like this when the majority of the American fans loathed the BCS just a year ago and earlier.

Recruiting in Florida is about to get even tougher. Someone hand him a tissue.

Because the BCS really wanted to troll miko.