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(01-03-2013 12:28 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  but as a tourist attraction or subjective "hot place to travel," the civil rights institute, nor the city, are top 6 nationally.

So you have the authority to dictate what others opinions are, because subjectively, someone said it was.

Quote:however, it's not somewhere the average american is ever going to visit as a "tourist attraction" or "hot place to travel." unless maybe you are a hard core golfer, civil rights buff and/or participant, or motorsports/cars fan.

Don't discount the Bear Bryant statue and grave. Bama fans come all over to visit.

Nah just stating my opinion MB. I know others may view the city and civil rights institute as a subjective 7th wonder of the world, but I doubt many in the US share that opinion, as the original article would seem to insinuate

(01-03-2013 12:24 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 10:54 AM)BlazingGoat Wrote:  Birmingham is a great place to visit. It's an objective truth.

Some of the best food in the world: Frank's joints, Jinsei, epic bbq, etc. (I've traveled and EATEN extensively... TRUST ME)

Excellent weather

Scenic areas nearby lots of hiking, etc.

Epic golf courses

A nice (recently expanded) zoo and botanical garden

Great microbrew (Good People)

History (civil rights, industrial, civil war, etc.; The civil rights institute is just one of the great places to visit in this regard)

The arguments in this thread are another example of the silly that permeates this board...

Birmingham wasn't a city until after the Civil War..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlington_A...26_Gardens

Quote:Arlington Antebellum Home & Gardens is a former plantation house and 6 acres (24,000 m2) of landscaped gardens near downtown Birmingham, Alabama. The two-story frame structure was built between 1845-50 and features antebellum-era Greek Revival architecture. The house serves as a decorative arts museum, featuring a collection of 19th-century furniture, textiles, silver, and paintings. The garden features a restored garden room that is used for special events. The house was added to the National Register of Historic Places on December 2, 1970.[1]
History

Built between 1845 and 1850 by William S. Mudd in Elyton, the second county seat of Jefferson County. Birmingham, a city that Mudd helped to establish, eventually grew to encompass the former site of Elyton. Arlington is one of the only surviving structures from the time of Elyton and is Birmingham's only antebellum mansion.[2] Arlington was used by Union troops while planning the burning of the University of Alabama.

The ashes of former Birmingham mayor George G. Siebels, Jr. are interred at Arlington.

Any other **** ******** want to weigh-in?

Tannehill has an old confederate forge too, fyi.

P.S. As you can see, the Birmingham area has been at war with that university for quite some time...

I realize that there are some civil war related attractions around birmingham, but there were no battles in the city and birmingham was not officially a city until after the civil war ended in 1865 - On the right hand side under incorporated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham,_al --> December 19, 1871 - over six years after the civil war ended in april-may of 1865

Quote:Arlington was used by Union troops while planning the burning of the University of Alabama.

I did not know this! I must make a pilgrimage there soon in honor of their wisdom and foresight.

We obviously need to have more Blazer-centric events at this location as well.

The region is one of only two places in the world that the three components for making steel occur in the same vicinity -- Iron ore from Red Mountain, limestone from the valley and coking coal from west Jefferson. Because the state lacked serious engineering background schools, the development of this natural situation had to wait for an influx of people from other areas -- notably from the "north" where engineering (called "mechanical education") schools were more common. That is why Birmingham attracted so many "Yankee entrepreneurs" to the area - Daniel Pratt from near Montgomery (Prattville), James R. Powell (the "DUKE of B'ham"), Josiah Morris, Henry DeBardelaben (Pratt's son in law) who founded Bessemer and Enoch Ensley among others. These were the original "Birmingham Barons" of the iron, coal and steel industries. Tennessee Coal and Iron moved in and bought up much of what had been built in the Fairfield area and built the "TCI School" which became Ensley High School when the area became part of the city. [Other originally independent cities were Highland, AL at 5 points south, West End, AL, North B'ham, AL, East B'ham, AL(where Stockham Valve & Fittings was @ Tallapoosa and 10 Ave north), Woodlawn, AL(the "City Hall" bldg is still there), Roebuck and East Lake, AL, Huffman in "Saddler's Gap" where US 11 was built.]

The origin of Birmingham from its base in Elyton is shown by the fact that "Center Street" runs through that location and all streets and avenues are numbered from that location as the city spread to the east after 1871. When the four "skyscrapers" were built on the corners at 1st Ave North and 20th street, it was said at the time to be the greatest concentration of commercial wealth in the southeast. Until the post WWII "winds of social and economic changes" wrought changes in Birmingham and Atlanta, they were essentially the same size - about 350,000 population and both played in the "Double A" Southern Baseball League.

The two cities and their states made different choices from then on and Alabama declined from 11 electoral votes in 1950 to its present 9 and Georgia turned in a different direction "and that has made all the difference"(thanks for that line from Robert Frost). In the 1970s Atlanta had Fulton County Stadium and B'ham had Legion Field. In the 1990s Atlanta had the Georgia Dome and B'ham had Legion Field. In 2017 Atlanta will have its new MULTIPURPOSE CONVENTION CENTER with its retractible roof and B'ham will have ... Legion Field. After WWII, the two metro areas took different roads and are now in two very different places.

One can always wonder what would have happened if Birmingham had become the state capital in the early 20th century as was the plan for Woodrow Wilson (aka Capitol or Linn) Park when set aside years ago. It was much easier to vote anti B'ham laws 100 miles away in the Black Belt city of Montgomery than to do it right under the noses of those living there as they would have had to do in Atlanta.

(01-03-2013 01:24 PM)BlazingGoat Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 12:24 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 10:54 AM)BlazingGoat Wrote:  Birmingham is a great place to visit. It's an objective truth.

Some of the best food in the world: Frank's joints, Jinsei, epic bbq, etc. (I've traveled and EATEN extensively... TRUST ME)

Excellent weather

Scenic areas nearby lots of hiking, etc.

Epic golf courses

A nice (recently expanded) zoo and botanical garden

Great microbrew (Good People)

History (civil rights, industrial, civil war, etc.; The civil rights institute is just one of the great places to visit in this regard)

The arguments in this thread are another example of the silly that permeates this board...

Birmingham wasn't a city until after the Civil War..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlington_A...26_Gardens

Quote:Arlington Antebellum Home & Gardens is a former plantation house and 6 acres (24,000 m2) of landscaped gardens near downtown Birmingham, Alabama. The two-story frame structure was built between 1845-50 and features antebellum-era Greek Revival architecture. The house serves as a decorative arts museum, featuring a collection of 19th-century furniture, textiles, silver, and paintings. The garden features a restored garden room that is used for special events. The house was added to the National Register of Historic Places on December 2, 1970.[1]
History

Built between 1845 and 1850 by William S. Mudd in Elyton, the second county seat of Jefferson County. Birmingham, a city that Mudd helped to establish, eventually grew to encompass the former site of Elyton. Arlington is one of the only surviving structures from the time of Elyton and is Birmingham's only antebellum mansion.[2] Arlington was used by Union troops while planning the burning of the University of Alabama.

The ashes of former Birmingham mayor George G. Siebels, Jr. are interred at Arlington.

Any other dumb bastards want to weigh-in?

Tannehill has an old confederate forge too, fyi.

P.S. As you can see, the Birmingham area has been at war with that university for quite some time...

Why do you have to treat everybody this way? We are all ultimately UAB fans, and you think you'd write things in a civilized manner on this board.

(01-03-2013 04:15 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 01:24 PM)BlazingGoat Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 12:24 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 10:54 AM)BlazingGoat Wrote:  Birmingham is a great place to visit. It's an objective truth.

Some of the best food in the world: Frank's joints, Jinsei, epic bbq, etc. (I've traveled and EATEN extensively... TRUST ME)

Excellent weather

Scenic areas nearby lots of hiking, etc.

Epic golf courses

A nice (recently expanded) zoo and botanical garden

Great microbrew (Good People)

History (civil rights, industrial, civil war, etc.; The civil rights institute is just one of the great places to visit in this regard)

The arguments in this thread are another example of the silly that permeates this board...

Birmingham wasn't a city until after the Civil War..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlington_A...26_Gardens

Quote:Arlington Antebellum Home & Gardens is a former plantation house and 6 acres (24,000 m2) of landscaped gardens near downtown Birmingham, Alabama. The two-story frame structure was built between 1845-50 and features antebellum-era Greek Revival architecture. The house serves as a decorative arts museum, featuring a collection of 19th-century furniture, textiles, silver, and paintings. The garden features a restored garden room that is used for special events. The house was added to the National Register of Historic Places on December 2, 1970.[1]
History

Built between 1845 and 1850 by William S. Mudd in Elyton, the second county seat of Jefferson County. Birmingham, a city that Mudd helped to establish, eventually grew to encompass the former site of Elyton. Arlington is one of the only surviving structures from the time of Elyton and is Birmingham's only antebellum mansion.[2] Arlington was used by Union troops while planning the burning of the University of Alabama.

The ashes of former Birmingham mayor George G. Siebels, Jr. are interred at Arlington.

Any other dumb bastards want to weigh-in?

Tannehill has an old confederate forge too, fyi.

P.S. As you can see, the Birmingham area has been at war with that university for quite some time...

Why do you have to treat everybody this way? We are all ultimately UAB fans, and you think you'd write things in a civilized manner on this board.

Because he is a gaping *******

Note: when you add the word gaping, the asterisks don't matter.

(01-03-2013 04:15 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 01:24 PM)BlazingGoat Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 12:24 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 10:54 AM)BlazingGoat Wrote:  Birmingham is a great place to visit. It's an objective truth.

Some of the best food in the world: Frank's joints, Jinsei, epic bbq, etc. (I've traveled and EATEN extensively... TRUST ME)

Excellent weather

Scenic areas nearby lots of hiking, etc.

Epic golf courses

A nice (recently expanded) zoo and botanical garden

Great microbrew (Good People)

History (civil rights, industrial, civil war, etc.; The civil rights institute is just one of the great places to visit in this regard)

The arguments in this thread are another example of the silly that permeates this board...

Birmingham wasn't a city until after the Civil War..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlington_A...26_Gardens

Quote:Arlington Antebellum Home & Gardens is a former plantation house and 6 acres (24,000 m2) of landscaped gardens near downtown Birmingham, Alabama. The two-story frame structure was built between 1845-50 and features antebellum-era Greek Revival architecture. The house serves as a decorative arts museum, featuring a collection of 19th-century furniture, textiles, silver, and paintings. The garden features a restored garden room that is used for special events. The house was added to the National Register of Historic Places on December 2, 1970.[1]
History

Built between 1845 and 1850 by William S. Mudd in Elyton, the second county seat of Jefferson County. Birmingham, a city that Mudd helped to establish, eventually grew to encompass the former site of Elyton. Arlington is one of the only surviving structures from the time of Elyton and is Birmingham's only antebellum mansion.[2] Arlington was used by Union troops while planning the burning of the University of Alabama.

The ashes of former Birmingham mayor George G. Siebels, Jr. are interred at Arlington.

Any other dumb bastards want to weigh-in?

Tannehill has an old confederate forge too, fyi.

P.S. As you can see, the Birmingham area has been at war with that university for quite some time...

Why do you have to treat everybody this way? We are all ultimately UAB fans, and you think you'd write things in a civilized manner on this board.

I went back and put some asterisks in the post...

The reason I have such little tolerance for many of you is that you chime in with contentiousness on topics you don't know anything about. Apparently just for the sake of starting an internet argument!

You don't hear me waxing poetic on basketball for example. Know why? I don't know from roundball.

I love the Blazer Basketball team but can't weigh in on the sport with anything more than a simple fans comments. Therefore you won't hear me telling people they don't know that they are talking about on such a topic.

Some of you people need to learn to distinguish opinion from fact and also learn to hold your tongues on stuff you don't know anything about or at least just let it go. It's not necessary to post on every single thing under the sun.

Still confused... ask yourself what exactly the point of The Answer UAB's post was that got my response?

I may come off ass a gaping *******, but it's only in response to a core constituent group that gang up and treat everyone else like second class citizens.

My point was Birmingham was not a city until over 6 years after the civil war. was i incorrect in that statement? There is one antebellum home in the area that has civil war significance, but outside of that, the area has no major civil war attractions. Please name for me any civil war battles of significance from the area... And considering Arlington to be a major civil war attraction is a stretch.

I guess stating facts gets you called a dumb bastard around here?

(01-03-2013 07:18 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  I may come off ass a gaping *******, but it's only in response to a core constituent group that gang up and treat everyone else like second class citizens.

My point was Birmingham was not a city until over 6 years after the civil war. was i incorrect in that statement? There is one antebellum home in the area that has civil war significance, but outside of that, the area has no major civil war attractions. Please name for me any civil war battles of significance from the area... And considering Arlington to be a major civil war attraction is a stretch.

I guess stating facts gets you called a dumb bastard around here?

He was calling ME a "gaping *******"....

(01-02-2013 08:56 PM)Smaug Wrote:  It's not funny. It's telling.

yup it tells me all i need to know about some people

Yes, to summarize:

the Answer = Dumb Bastard
BlazingGoat = gaping *******
Everyone else in thread: closet racist

(01-03-2013 08:04 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Yes, to summarize:

the Answer = Dumb Bastard
BlazingGoat = gaping *******
Everyone else in thread: closet racist

Jesus Christ, I think He's got it!

lol.. i was reading from my cell phone..

but still, you called me a dumb bastard for facts.. i still don't understand

(01-03-2013 08:11 PM)BlazingGoat Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 08:04 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Yes, to summarize:

the Answer = Dumb Bastard
BlazingGoat = gaping *******
Everyone else in thread: closet racist

Jesus Christ, I think He's got it!

stop forcing your religion on me!

(01-03-2013 08:13 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 08:11 PM)BlazingGoat Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 08:04 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Yes, to summarize:

the Answer = Dumb Bastard
BlazingGoat = gaping *******
Everyone else in thread: closet racist

Jesus Christ, I think He's got it!

stop forcing your religion on me!

.....

(01-03-2013 12:30 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  I realized how good the zoo is in Birmingham after I visited Atlanta's. Birmingham Zoo is much better.

I've only been to Atlanta's zoo once in my life, first time I'd ever been disappointed by an Atlanta-based attraction. Birmingham Zoo did at one time have a checkered history in relation to the care of the animals entrusted to it, but that has changed dramatically. It's definitely one thing that Birmingham has an advantage on over Atlanta. But, IMO, the absolute best zoo in the country, if not the world???? San Diego Zoo!!! Awesome, totally awesome place!!!

I've driven or walked past that plantation home (Arlington) countless times, and cannot recall whatsoever any desire to visit its' confines.

I've never seen anyone on the grounds, either. Is it actually up for tourists to patronize or is it closed to the public?

Been there a few years ago & I agree (San Diego Zoo).