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RE: Birmingham makes 'Today' show list of six hot places to travel in 2013...
That area of town is really making some noise.

Barber's, Bass Pro Shops, & the Shops at the Grand River Mall are cool places.

Just to show you how things go, a few years ago I had season passes to the Bham Zoo & we went several times. I even went a few times on Tuesdays when it was free entry day.

Since then, I only have gone to the Zoo when my daughters went there on a field trip.

The zoo has been able to make some improvements over the last 3 or 4 years & is an enjoyable place to go, even though I haven't been there that much lately.

FWIW, I went to the Bham Museum of Art a few years ago & didn't care for it. It really didn't do anything for me, but I'm not an art guy.
01-02-2013 12:40 AM
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(01-02-2013 12:30 AM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  If you are a motorcycle / classic car buff a trip to the Barber Vintage Motorsports Museum is well worth the price of admission, so I'm told.

And if you are a civil rights history buff, the Civil Rights Museum is well worth the price of admission. Just because some of the posters in this thread aren't doesn't mean they don't exist. I could care less about a car museum so I might not consider it a tourist attraction.
01-02-2013 12:43 AM
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Does the museum include exhibits that describe the efforts of the group of progressives in Birmingham that dissolved the city government that Bull Connor worked for to strip him of power ... merely waiting for the final decision from the courts?

That, for this reason the Kennedy administration asked MLK Jr. to stay away from Birmingham to wait for the process to play out?

That, in the end courts ruled for the new progressive government, but it was too late for the city. Despite a forward thinking majority having kicked a crazy racist out of power to move beyond its dark past, school children were unnecessarily injected into a volatile situation to create a spectacle?

If it does, I'll go. I fully appreciate and respect what occurred, but I don't care for incomplete history lessons.
01-02-2013 01:20 AM
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I'm sorry but there was no time for waiting. Blacks were treated worse than dogs in this city and something had to be done. For years the city much like the rest of America turned a blind eye to what was happening to black Americans. These "progressives" did nothing not one damn thing to protect the black citizens of Birmingham. If you feel that the Movement was a spectacle then I feel really bad for you. My family members lived through a time in Birmingham where as a black man or woman you had no rights. Dr.King was called to Birmingham to help lead the movement because it was absolutely necessary. Blacks were killed in this city and not a thing was done about it. And all this was done while the "Progressives" you speak of sat behind a desk and didn't do a damn thing about it.
01-02-2013 02:22 AM
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I mentioned another side of the story that is rarely told and should be for completeness. I grew up in Birmingham and never heard about that until I was an adult. I don't want to make anyone's mind up for them. I think all of the available information should be presented. Otherwise the museum is teaching a sermon not teaching history.

Your self-righteous retort is the type of drivel that prevents or arrests open discussions that could promote progress and healing. E.g., if the people that tried and succeeded to run an end around on Bull Connor were just going to get lumped into the dustbin of history along with Bull Connor, why bother then? Why bother now? Lashing out at people that offer inconvenient facts in a discussion is a great way to create and maintain an atmosphere of disrespect and distrust - kind of like what exists between downtown and the suburbs right now. Every white person in Birmingham was not Bull Connor. Their role in the civil rights movement should be acknowledged as well.

Heinous, unspeakable things occurred under color of state law in Birmingham, but the timing of that march did not hasten Bull Connor's forced retirement. He left the same time he would have left had the march not occurred. He was however still a great example for King to show the world how bad the South really was. Some commentators believe that time was running out for that example to be made and King (or others that forced his hand) decided to make their point while they still could. Not sure I believe that, but it is entirely possible given the circumstances. If indeed that was the strategy it was wildly successful. One might even call it brilliant except for the very real possibility that school children might have been hurt or worse. In the process, Birmingham took a deserved black eye that was perhaps even more deserved by dozens of other cities in the South who weren't trying to fix their problems as Birmingham was.

Again, I'm not trying to make excuses for anyone. This was a city full of A-holes, some of them murderous. I hope they are burning in hell. But the complete story should be told. The audience can draw their own conclusions instead of being programmed. If you disagree with that, I feel sorry for you.
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"I was on a panel with Wyatt T. Walker, who was one of King's strategists, and he said that, they tried to talk us out of starting the demonstrations, and give the new government a chance. But we realized that this was our last chance, to demonstrate against Bull Connor. And with his colorful language, and colorful expressions, we knew that sooner or later he would do something that would help our cause. And they were right, cause, the ball game was all over, once the hoses and the dogs were brought forward."
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01-02-2013 04:04 AM
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David J. Vann: "Well, I want to make it clear. I wasn't mad at Dr. King because he made Birmingham look bad. I was upset with Dr. King because he wouldn't give us a chance to prove what we could do through the political processes. And a year and a day after Conner had been elected with the largest vote in history, we, a majority of the people in this city voted to terminate his office. And when he ran for mayor they rejected him.Eyes on the Prize: America's Civil Rights Years 1954-1965; Episode 104-29 And we felt that our next step, we had met with black leaders. Mayor Boutwell had made very definite commitments on hiring some black police officers. Participation in government by the black community. Uh, and we really felt it was most unfair not to let us prove what we could do with the political process. I became philosophical about it later and realized that King's campaign wasn't a campaign against Birmingham. It was a campaign not even against the South. It was a campaign against America. Because what was done by law in Alabama was done de facto in New York, and Chicago and Detroit and San Francisco and throughout this country. In fact I think the experience we had in resolving these problems in beginning a process of local resolve created a bond between white people and black people in this city, unlike any other city in the country. When Dr. King was assassinated, all across this country, starting in Washington all the way to Watts, cities burned. People were so angry they burned cities down. In Birmingham we had a memorial march the next morning from the 16th Street Baptist Church to the steps of the Jefferson county court house, with white Bishops and black Bishops and leaders of the government, marching together in commemoration of the loss of a man who had been very important in the history of our city. Attitudes that really changed dramatically, and I think the fact that there was virtually no violence in this city in the reflection of the assassination and particularly when the word came out later that the gun might have even been secured right here in Birmingham that assassinated him. Uh, I think those reactions, really, uh, demonstrated the tremendous depth of effort that had gone throughout this community."

That's a story that should be told. That's a story that could bring this city together.
01-02-2013 04:22 AM
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RE: Birmingham makes 'Today' show list of six hot places to travel in 2013...
(01-01-2013 05:00 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  :03-banghead

I didn't get your joke at first, until I saw my mistake. Apparently I had a long New Years celebration.

But that does remind me that it will also be the 150th anniversary of Gettysburg, and the Emancipation Proclamation.

Bamanblazerfan will have a busy year.

Also the 150th anniversary of the battle of Chancellorsville, the siege of Vicksburg, and the battle of Chickamauga and ensuing siege of Chattanooga.

#Getyourcivilwarknowledgeup
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You're talking about political process in the 1960s when Jim Crowe had been going going on for how long? I promise you if my grandparents and either relatives had sat down and done nothing we would have been in the same boat we had been in since the emancipation proclamation! As for as the self righteous comment............my great grandmother has two sons lynched in this city before the age of 21, Lindbergh Fannin in 19(1957) and Ralph in (1961) and not one of their killers spent one full day in jail, hell bayboy's(Lindbergh) killer was never even arrested! Kids were being killed in this city long before the bomb went off at 16th Street Baptist Church. I don't have to read a book or go to a museum, my family was very active in the Civil Rights Movement in this city! I can look at my grandmother's youngest sister right now and see the mark across her forehead where she was hit by a state trooper's billy club at the age of 11. Call me self righteous or whatever makes you sleep at night but I know the struggles of this city and I learned from these who actually went through it.
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RE: Birmingham makes 'Today' show list of six hot places to travel in 2013...
So because those horrible things happened it's okay to omit part of the story? A part of the story that I provided historical references for? A part of the story that shows that not everyone in Birmingham in the 1960s should be stereotyped as evil racists bastards? A part of the story that shows that Birmingham might (up to the individual to decide) have actually had more reasonable citizens than many other cities that history now gives a pass to 50 years later?

I even looked provided the reference for you... It's right there. King's strategist stated they knew things were changing, that Bull Connor was a lame duck and decided to provoke him for good public relations material while they still could. Again, up to the individual to decide what that means in context, but that opportunity should be theirs and not the author of a history book or the curator of a museum.

In the midst of Birmingham's shame, there was an example of cooperation that embodied Dr. King's ideals in his speeches - but we're not supposed to learn about or talk about that?
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