(03-14-2012 09:49 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

Quote:I was only looking at earned NCAA tournament titles...2 for UC, 1 for Cuse. I can also use only stats that favor UC...how many elite 8s does Syracuse have since 92...96 and 03. Cincinnati has three since 92...92,93 and 96...guess we are just used to going farther in the tournamnet...goes back to the better tournament winning percentage

Cincy may have the better tourney winning percentage, but looking at the top 20 schools with ncaa tourney appearances, I dont see Cincy listed in it. I see SU and a bunch of other BE teams listed but no Cincy.

1. Kentucky Wildcats 51
2. UCLA Bruins 42
2. North Carolina Tar Heels 42
4. Kansas Jayhawks 40
5. Louisville Cardinals 37
6. Indiana Hoosiers 35
6. Duke Blue Devils 35
8. Syracuse Orange 34
9. Villanova Wildcats 31
9. Notre Dame Fighting Irish 31
11. Arkansas Razorbacks 29
11. Connecticut Huskies 29
11. Illinois Fighting Illini 29
11. Marquette Golden Eagles 29
11. Texas Longhorns 29
11. Temple Owls 29
17. Arizona Wildcats 28
18. Utah Utes 27
18. St. John’s Red Storm 27
18. Georgetown Hoyas 27


[/quote]

This year was Cincinnati's 26th appearance, so they would be right under that list.

(03-14-2012 08:41 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 08:33 PM)snowycuse Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 08:07 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 04:55 PM)Ottoman Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 12:59 PM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  Ottoman...that CUSA we built was pretty strong...Marq, UC, UL and USF all were in the top 8 of the BE in the final BB standings...2 of the 3 co-BE champs in football were also from CUSA.

MAYBE you will have success like UC had switching conferences...but you WILL become second fiddle to the Carolina lead ACC basketball teams that dominate the ACC.

Very mature mocking UC basketball yet Cincinnati has more NCAA National Championships than you, more final fours and a higher winning % in the NCAA tournament than Syracuse. Cincinnati went through one of the toughest rebuilds in recent memory and yet we still compete well with the "Mighty Syracuse" in one of their best BB seasons ever. Remember...

71-68 - Cincinnati gives Syracuse second loss in Big East semifinal

Just a side note because you when Syracuse failed to step up after the Toledo football game Toledo ended the year going 8-1...Karma bit Cuse and they ended the year 2-6.

Seems like SYR wonthe Pinstripe at Yankee Stadium. How did Cincy do repping the conferences in the BCS games. We'll that just too bad, a one or two point loss is nothing to be asamed of in FB. WHAT? They got blowed out? My GOlly. That sucks.

CIncy give SYR SECOND loss. Wait didn't SYR play Cincy in Cincy without Fab. You mean to tell me SYR came to Cincy's house and busted them up without Fab. In their own house? You kiddin me.

For CIncy's time in the BE all I can say is SYR took care of business against Cincy- even when we were high on weed.

Cincy's last title was in 1962 50 years ago. Their last two final fours were 1963 and 1992. SYR has played in two national title games since 1992. (1996 against Kentucky and 2003 against kansas). SYr has two Helms BB titles from 1918 and 1926. So technically, SYr has more national BB titles than CIncy.

I respect Cuse and am sad to see you go...you ARE the Big East in my book.

to your points..

1. We have OWNED you in football since joining the BE.

2. You DID in fact beat us at the Shoe, without Fab, and high on weed....true. But we beat you when it counted...in MSG in the BET!!!!

3. You beat us in hoops a majority of the time we have been in the BE...congrats, you beat us during our worst stretch of hoops since the mid 80's....

I do not think beating Cuse in the BET is any bigger an accomplishment than beating us in the regular season. When a conference starts putting 9 to 11 teams in the dance every year it diminishes having end of season tournaments IMO but I understand Cincy fans being happy about it. In the end Cuse was still the #2 seed in the dance so it really did little aside from keeping us from being the #1 overall seed. Now Marquette last season is beating us when it counts.

As for #1 and #3 in this little exchange. Tough to boast about beating Cuse in football since expansion while at the same time diminishing the 7-3 basketball record due to Cincy rebuilding. Cuse football was in far worse shape than Cincy basketball when expansion went down.

When Mick Cronin got the job Cincinnati had 4 guys: a walk on, a football player (Connor Barwin, now in the NFL), an NAIA transfer and a decent JUCO. Don't know how you get much worse.

Much easier to rebuild in basketball than football...no debate necessary.

Cuse is still considered a bigger brand name in football despite your recent success....we've been going to New Year's Day type games for over 50 years. Tradition, history and brand count. We'll be back...but your program has done well in football...kudos.

And basket ball is still the major sport that the BE has national significance in. We haven't sniffed a national title since Miami was good- and that one year with WVU.

And one more thing.

Three elite eights is NOT a better winning percentage than two title games- one a national title. Do the math:

Elite eight= 3 NCAA wins
3 elite eights = 9 ncaa wins
Title game = 5 NCAA wins
NAtional title = 6 NCAA wins

P.S. people only remember the title game. Ask Butler.

(03-13-2012 03:51 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(03-13-2012 03:42 PM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(03-13-2012 03:27 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  SU has become a pretty dirty program. I'd say the BE is getting cleaner by losing them, but we've replaced them with UCF, who is just as dirty and has just as many NCAA problems, except without any of the success.

Meanwhile, WWW and Calipari continue to point and laugh at the NCAA.

This is the part I don't get. Kentucky and Calimari are making a mockery of the NCAA. Cal recruits bunch of kids who basically use Kentucky as a rest stop to the NBA yet no one is questioning how this bunch somehow pass the APR every year? Granted I am no expert on NCAA's APR thing, but how is Kentucky keep it going by laughing their a**es off at the NCAA every year?

Dude - your school has done the same kinda stuff? Is Kimba still around?

Is Calipari dirty, yes, but Calhoun and Boeheim are no guiding angels themselves.

(03-15-2012 07:04 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(03-13-2012 03:51 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(03-13-2012 03:42 PM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(03-13-2012 03:27 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  SU has become a pretty dirty program. I'd say the BE is getting cleaner by losing them, but we've replaced them with UCF, who is just as dirty and has just as many NCAA problems, except without any of the success.

Meanwhile, WWW and Calipari continue to point and laugh at the NCAA.

This is the part I don't get. Kentucky and Calimari are making a mockery of the NCAA. Cal recruits bunch of kids who basically use Kentucky as a rest stop to the NBA yet no one is questioning how this bunch somehow pass the APR every year? Granted I am no expert on NCAA's APR thing, but how is Kentucky keep it going by laughing their a**es off at the NCAA every year?

Dude - your school has done the same kinda stuff? Is Kimba still around?

Is Calipari dirty, yes, but Calhoun and Boeheim are no guiding angels themselves.

Calhoun and Boeheim still can count all of the final fours that they participated in.

I cant believe that I just defended Calhoun, YUK.

(03-15-2012 09:06 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 07:04 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(03-13-2012 03:51 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(03-13-2012 03:42 PM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(03-13-2012 03:27 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  SU has become a pretty dirty program. I'd say the BE is getting cleaner by losing them, but we've replaced them with UCF, who is just as dirty and has just as many NCAA problems, except without any of the success.

Meanwhile, WWW and Calipari continue to point and laugh at the NCAA.

This is the part I don't get. Kentucky and Calimari are making a mockery of the NCAA. Cal recruits bunch of kids who basically use Kentucky as a rest stop to the NBA yet no one is questioning how this bunch somehow pass the APR every year? Granted I am no expert on NCAA's APR thing, but how is Kentucky keep it going by laughing their a**es off at the NCAA every year?

Dude - your school has done the same kinda stuff? Is Kimba still around?

Is Calipari dirty, yes, but Calhoun and Boeheim are no guiding angels themselves.

Calhoun and Boeheim still can count all of the final fours that they participated in.

I cant believe that I just defended Calhoun, YUK.

You? I can't believe I'm about the defend UCONN.

But the truth is Kemba walker graduated in three years at UCONN. I don't know why people think differently- probbly because his book comment. But he has a degree and his Mother AND FATHER couldn't be prouder of him. Walker was an example of a kid from a solid family who really made the most of his life (Well, he could have gone to SYR being that he was from the Bronx.)

(03-15-2012 12:27 AM)Ottoman Wrote:  And basket ball is still the major sport that the BE has national significance in. We haven't sniffed a national title since Miami was good- and that one year with WVU.

And one more thing.

Three elite eights is NOT a better winning percentage than two title games- one a national title. Do the math:

Elite eight= 3 NCAA wins
3 elite eights = 9 ncaa wins
Title game = 5 NCAA wins
NAtional title = 6 NCAA wins

P.S. people only remember the title game. Ask Butler.

Thanks for a math lesson even though I never said 3 elite eights is a better winning % than 2 finals appearances.

I was simply throwing out some random numbers like you did only counting back to 92...figures lie and liars figure...you can almost always pick numbers that back up your point.

Back to my 3 original points and to your point of people only remembering the title game.

1. Cincinnati 2 NCAA Tournament Championships, Syracuse 1 NCAA Tournament Championship.
2. Cincinnati - 6 Final Fours, Syracuse - 4 Final Fours
3. Cincinnati 41-23 = 64%, Syracuse 53-34 = 61%



Both are great basketball programs that are in the top 10-15 range all time...top 4 IMO would be Kentucky, UCLA, Indiana and North Carolina...next four would be Duke, Kansas, Connecticut and Louisville...then teams like Michigan State, Cincinnati, Syracuse, NC State and Ohio State would be fighting for the last 2 spots in the top 10.

(03-14-2012 09:50 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 09:49 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

Quote:I was only looking at earned NCAA tournament titles...2 for UC, 1 for Cuse. I can also use only stats that favor UC...how many elite 8s does Syracuse have since 92...96 and 03. Cincinnati has three since 92...92,93 and 96...guess we are just used to going farther in the tournamnet...goes back to the better tournament winning percentage

Cincy may have the better tourney winning percentage, but looking at the top 20 schools with ncaa tourney appearances, I dont see Cincy listed in it. I see SU and a bunch of other BE teams listed but no Cincy.

1. Kentucky Wildcats 51
2. UCLA Bruins 42
2. North Carolina Tar Heels 42
4. Kansas Jayhawks 40
5. Louisville Cardinals 37
6. Indiana Hoosiers 35
6. Duke Blue Devils 35
8. Syracuse Orange 34
9. Villanova Wildcats 31
9. Notre Dame Fighting Irish 31
11. Arkansas Razorbacks 29
11. Connecticut Huskies 29
11. Illinois Fighting Illini 29
11. Marquette Golden Eagles 29
11. Texas Longhorns 29
11. Temple Owls 29
17. Arizona Wildcats 28
18. Utah Utes 27
18. St. John’s Red Storm 27
18. Georgetown Hoyas 27

This year was Cincinnati's 26th appearance, so they would be right under that list.
[/quote]

Bold up the Irish, they have been Big East for a while now. Add in Temple. The list was impressive, even more so now. Good work,

(03-15-2012 11:34 AM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  Thanks for a math lesson even though I never said 3 elite eights is a better winning % than 2 finals appearances.

My bad. I thought you wrote: "...how many elite 8s does Syracuse have since 92...96 and 03. Cincinnati has three since 92...92,93 and 96...guess we are just used to going farther in the tournamnet...goes back to the better tournament winning percentage."

96 and 03 were NCAA title games for SYR. So much for going "further" in the tournament. CIncy's last title game was in 1963- 50 years ago. SYR has been to three title games since 1963. Cincy has not been relevant in BB for 50 years. This is SYR second #1 seed in the past 3 years.

On our end Cincy and SYR are not rivals.

(03-15-2012 01:56 PM)Ottoman Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 11:34 AM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  Thanks for a math lesson even though I never said 3 elite eights is a better winning % than 2 finals appearances.

My bad. I thought you wrote: "...how many elite 8s does Syracuse have since 92...96 and 03. Cincinnati has three since 92...92,93 and 96...guess we are just used to going farther in the tournamnet...goes back to the better tournament winning percentage."

96 and 03 were NCAA title games for SYR. So much for going "further" in the tournament. CIncy's last title game was in 1963- 50 years ago. SYR has been to three title games since 1963. Cincy has not been relevant in BB for 50 years. This is SYR second #1 seed in the past 3 years.

On our end Cincy and SYR are not rivals.

No one on our end does either, not sure why all these threads turn into UC fans arguing about our programs history.

(03-15-2012 01:56 PM)Ottoman Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 11:34 AM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  Thanks for a math lesson even though I never said 3 elite eights is a better winning % than 2 finals appearances.

My bad. I thought you wrote: "...how many elite 8s does Syracuse have since 92...96 and 03. Cincinnati has three since 92...92,93 and 96...guess we are just used to going farther in the tournamnet...goes back to the better tournament winning percentage."

96 and 03 were NCAA title games for SYR. So much for going "further" in the tournament. CIncy's last title game was in 1963- 50 years ago. SYR has been to three title games since 1963. Cincy has not been relevant in BB for 50 years. This is SYR second #1 seed in the past 3 years.

On our end Cincy and SYR are not rivals.

Not relevant for 50 years in basketball, you seem to be forgetting to mention Huggins having his team with #1 seeds and 14 straight NCAA tournament appearances, then you go on to talk about your #1 seeds in the last 3 years...did those #1 seeded Cuse teams meet expectations? Why don't we go back 5 years ago when you were in your second NIT in a row

I did write that above because Cincinnati has more championships, final fours, elite eights, etc...better winning percentage in the NCAA tournament...they are used to going FURTHER than Syracuse.

Louisville is our rival...a team above us historically that we have played for awhile. Your rival is UCONN, a team above yours historically that you have played awhile.

I guess you ONLY count modern success as FURTHER to justify your position...whatever makes you sleep at night.

We'll see how your program will fair when the coach that made your recent success possible is GONE...took Cincinnati years to recover. Will Syracuse have NCAA penalties for playing ineligible players? We'll see how you like rebuilding down the road in the ACC and not being a top dog ANYMORE. Hopefully it doesn't become like your football program talking about "Glory Days."

(03-15-2012 02:00 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  No one on our end does either, not sure why all these threads turn into UC fans arguing about our programs history.

Certain Syracuse fan's like to take cheap shots (as do fans of many sites on here, Bearcats included) and the CUSE fans in question are the pot calling the kettle black.

(03-15-2012 02:21 PM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 02:00 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  No one on our end does either, not sure why all these threads turn into UC fans arguing about our programs history.

Certain Syracuse fan's like to take cheap shots (as do fans of many sites on here, Bearcats included) and the CUSE fans in question are the pot calling the kettle black.

Go back and take a good look at the beginning of this thread and notice who started all of the low smack and cheap shots. There were many and they werent from "Cuse fans."

(03-15-2012 02:30 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 02:21 PM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 02:00 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  No one on our end does either, not sure why all these threads turn into UC fans arguing about our programs history.

Certain Syracuse fan's like to take cheap shots (as do fans of many sites on here, Bearcats included) and the CUSE fans in question are the pot calling the kettle black.

Go back and take a good look at the beginning of this thread and notice who started all of the low smack and cheap shots. There were many and they werent from "Cuse fans."

Fair enough...I usually start looking at threads at last post to see if there is any recent news...the first post I looked at in this thread was this.

(03-14-2012 12:17 PM)Ottoman Wrote:  No problemo fellas. Glad we've been the most consistent team from the start of the Big East to have built the conference (while you were building CUSA) so now you have a place to play. But we'll take our "stench" and go.

And what are you guys, thugs, mugs or wanksters? And when you play Xavier again should I bring my knife.

Bearcat fans (and other schools) did jump all over Syracuse in this thread...I'm done attacking your school unless another fight is picked.

:band:
♪ Oh solo Melo
We say goodbye ♫
♫ You came and joined us
Your face to ply ♪
♫ But now you're gone forever
What you did Melo ♫
♪ Just made me cry

(03-15-2012 04:12 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  :band:
♪ Oh solo Melo
We say goodbye ♫
♫ You came and joined us
Your face to ply ♪
♫ But now you're gone forever
What you did Melo ♫
♪ Just made me cry

F'er