(02-08-2012 10:37 AM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:27 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  CMU had a 4 year stretch better than that (aside from the 11 win seasons, we had a 10 and a 12 though) with 3 out of 4 division and MAC titles and a top 25 ranking. Nobody came sniffing around.

Granted, these are different times and NIU is better poised with proximity to Chicago. I can't imagine being the AD at NIU that says "we are moving on again, but this time it will work."

With all due respect, Mt. Pleasant and the Flint-Saginaw-Bay City TV market (#68) isn't Dekalb and the Chicago DMA (#3).

That's a really, really big difference.

Sorry, but NIU does not carry that market. A huge increase in market share would be needed to warrant a sniff. That likely is not happening within the current MAC, which means that NIU would have to take a smaller step first to show the growth is there.

Going back to the original topic, I have to throw this out there. So a week after signing day Temple fans are starting to realize that the Big East is not gonna come calling. I know that Temple's coaches told recruits that they would be heading to the Big East soon as an aid in recruiting those kids. In fact, one prominent 3 star RB from Florida that signed with Temple even discussed that point in an interview. How does this realization effect things? Does this kid, and maybe some others, now consider a year at a prep school so they can open their recruitment again? Or does he go to Temple despite feeling lied too? Or does he go to Temple and continue to believe they will be in the Big East soon because coaches will continue to say it is coming?

Does Adazzio lose some credibility with high school coaches that knew he was telling their kids that Temple was heading to the Big East soon?

Finally, does Temple maybe still have a shot at heading to the Big East soon despite this move to bring in Memphis?

(02-08-2012 11:24 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:37 AM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:27 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  CMU had a 4 year stretch better than that (aside from the 11 win seasons, we had a 10 and a 12 though) with 3 out of 4 division and MAC titles and a top 25 ranking. Nobody came sniffing around.

Granted, these are different times and NIU is better poised with proximity to Chicago. I can't imagine being the AD at NIU that says "we are moving on again, but this time it will work."

With all due respect, Mt. Pleasant and the Flint-Saginaw-Bay City TV market (#68) isn't Dekalb and the Chicago DMA (#3).

That's a really, really big difference.

Sorry, but NIU does not carry that market. A huge increase in market share would be needed to warrant a sniff. That likely is not happening within the current MAC, which means that NIU would have to take a smaller step first to show the growth is there.

And I don't think there's a smaller (but still significant) step anymore, with CUSA and MWC being weaker than they were.

(02-08-2012 11:30 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  Finally, does Temple maybe still have a shot at heading to the Big East soon despite this move to bring in Memphis?

Given the BE is now taking a common sense basketball approach to expansion then I would say Temple's shot at being included by 2015 is pretty good at this point.

All sorts of crazy moves are still on the table. The Big XII is looking at Clemson/Florida State to get back to 12 and after that Louisville/BYU. More holes in the Big East/ACC will give Temple an opening.

Temple even FB-only to the alliance is slim because not only would Temple have to cough up the MAC buyout fee, they risk destabilizing a fragile rebuilding process for their football program. Then if they join CUSA they'll also be subject to a substantial (10 million?) buyout fee. What is the point if they are joining the Big East in a couple of years?

Before the Memphis move I would have said 5-10 years before the Big East invites Temple. Now I think that time frame is closer to 3-5 years.

(02-08-2012 11:30 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  Going back to the original topic, I have to throw this out there. So a week after signing day Temple fans are starting to realize that the Big East is not gonna come calling. I know that Temple's coaches told recruits that they would be heading to the Big East soon as an aid in recruiting those kids. In fact, one prominent 3 star RB from Florida that signed with Temple even discussed that point in an interview. How does this realization effect things? Does this kid, and maybe some others, now consider a year at a prep school so they can open their recruitment again? Or does he go to Temple despite feeling lied too? Or does he go to Temple and continue to believe they will be in the Big East soon because coaches will continue to say it is coming?

Does Adazzio lose some credibility with high school coaches that knew he was telling their kids that Temple was heading to the Big East soon?

Finally, does Temple maybe still have a shot at heading to the Big East soon despite this move to bring in Memphis?

Never even crossed my mind but you're 100% right..

(02-08-2012 11:30 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  Going back to the original topic, I have to throw this out there. So a week after signing day Temple fans are starting to realize that the Big East is not gonna come calling. I know that Temple's coaches told recruits that they would be heading to the Big East soon as an aid in recruiting those kids. In fact, one prominent 3 star RB from Florida that signed with Temple even discussed that point in an interview. How does this realization effect things? Does this kid, and maybe some others, now consider a year at a prep school so they can open their recruitment again? Or does he go to Temple despite feeling lied too? Or does he go to Temple and continue to believe they will be in the Big East soon because coaches will continue to say it is coming?

Does Adazzio lose some credibility with high school coaches that knew he was telling their kids that Temple was heading to the Big East soon?

Finally, does Temple maybe still have a shot at heading to the Big East soon despite this move to bring in Memphis?

:sly:
I'm not agreeing with what you did there, but I like it.

(02-08-2012 10:37 AM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:27 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  CMU had a 4 year stretch better than that (aside from the 11 win seasons, we had a 10 and a 12 though) with 3 out of 4 division and MAC titles and a top 25 ranking. Nobody came sniffing around.

Granted, these are different times and NIU is better poised with proximity to Chicago. I can't imagine being the AD at NIU that says "we are moving on again, but this time it will work."

With all due respect, Mt. Pleasant and the Flint-Saginaw-Bay City TV market (#68) isn't Dekalb and the Chicago DMA (#3).

That's a really, really big difference.

With all due respect, you must have missed the part in bold.

http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.co...2/34753656

Looks like CUSA has already contacted Temple.

(02-08-2012 12:08 PM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:37 AM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:27 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  CMU had a 4 year stretch better than that (aside from the 11 win seasons, we had a 10 and a 12 though) with 3 out of 4 division and MAC titles and a top 25 ranking. Nobody came sniffing around.

Granted, these are different times and NIU is better poised with proximity to Chicago. I can't imagine being the AD at NIU that says "we are moving on again, but this time it will work."

With all due respect, Mt. Pleasant and the Flint-Saginaw-Bay City TV market (#68) isn't Dekalb and the Chicago DMA (#3).

That's a really, really big difference.

With all due respect, you must have missed the part in bold.

Nope. I saw it. Just wanted to point out the HUGE disparity between the two markets.

The problem is that the whole Big East situation has been so chaotic. Early on during recruiting most of the Philly sports media were inferring that a Big East invite was close, obviously if true that changed for a variety of reasons. I don't see the BE in Temple's future, as far as credability I think there could be some fall out but nothing that can't be resolved. I mean you have recruits picking schools because there is a Chik-Fil-A on campus!!

(02-08-2012 11:30 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  Going back to the original topic, I have to throw this out there. So a week after signing day Temple fans are starting to realize that the Big East is not gonna come calling. I know that Temple's coaches told recruits that they would be heading to the Big East soon as an aid in recruiting those kids. In fact, one prominent 3 star RB from Florida that signed with Temple even discussed that point in an interview. How does this realization effect things? Does this kid, and maybe some others, now consider a year at a prep school so they can open their recruitment again? Or does he go to Temple despite feeling lied too? Or does he go to Temple and continue to believe they will be in the Big East soon because coaches will continue to say it is coming?

Does Adazzio lose some credibility with high school coaches that knew he was telling their kids that Temple was heading to the Big East soon?

Finally, does Temple maybe still have a shot at heading to the Big East soon despite this move to bring in Memphis?

(02-08-2012 11:30 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  Going back to the original topic, I have to throw this out there. So a week after signing day Temple fans are starting to realize that the Big East is not gonna come calling. I know that Temple's coaches told recruits that they would be heading to the Big East soon as an aid in recruiting those kids. In fact, one prominent 3 star RB from Florida that signed with Temple even discussed that point in an interview. How does this realization effect things? Does this kid, and maybe some others, now consider a year at a prep school so they can open their recruitment again? Or does he go to Temple despite feeling lied too? Or does he go to Temple and continue to believe they will be in the Big East soon because coaches will continue to say it is coming?

Does Adazzio lose some credibility with high school coaches that knew he was telling their kids that Temple was heading to the Big East soon?

Finally, does Temple maybe still have a shot at heading to the Big East soon despite this move to bring in Memphis?

It wasn't a lie??? Nova put the kibosh on Temple plain and simple...

NY Post October 11, 2011

Hey, I don't care what Villanova might have done, the facts are the facts. The recruits didn't say that Temple had a chance, they said that Temple was going to move to the Big East soon.

I know the possible repercussions first hand. Toledo had a head coach a while back that told recruits that Toledo was looking at going to the Big East soon (this was back during one of the first waves and Toledo was even mentioned some here and there). One particular recruit mentioned it in an interview. He's now playing in the NFL. Anyway, he was the last recruit from his high school to sign with Toledo for quite a while. There were at least five years of broken relations with that school and Toledo. And overall, Toledo's football program took a nose-dive right at the same time, and it didn't get better until a new coach was hired. And even then, getting his foot back in the door at this particular high school was very hard.

(02-08-2012 02:22 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  Hey, I don't care what Villanova might have done, the facts are the facts. The recruits didn't say that Temple had a chance, they said that Temple was going to move to the Big East soon.

I know the possible repercussions first hand. Toledo had a head coach a while back that told recruits that Toledo was looking at going to the Big East soon (this was back during one of the first waves and Toledo was even mentioned some here and there). One particular recruit mentioned it in an interview. He's now playing in the NFL. Anyway, he was the last recruit from his high school to sign with Toledo for quite a while. There were at least five years of broken relations with that school and Toledo. And overall, Toledo's football program took a nose-dive right at the same time, and it didn't get better until a new coach was hired. And even then, getting his foot back in the door at this particular high school was very hard.

Good point. Did all the recruits say they were told Temple would be in the Big East? It's possible the coaches worded it more carefully but what the recruit heard was "we're going to the Big East".

(02-08-2012 02:49 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 02:22 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  Hey, I don't care what Villanova might have done, the facts are the facts. The recruits didn't say that Temple had a chance, they said that Temple was going to move to the Big East soon.

I know the possible repercussions first hand. Toledo had a head coach a while back that told recruits that Toledo was looking at going to the Big East soon (this was back during one of the first waves and Toledo was even mentioned some here and there). One particular recruit mentioned it in an interview. He's now playing in the NFL. Anyway, he was the last recruit from his high school to sign with Toledo for quite a while. There were at least five years of broken relations with that school and Toledo. And overall, Toledo's football program took a nose-dive right at the same time, and it didn't get better until a new coach was hired. And even then, getting his foot back in the door at this particular high school was very hard.

Good point. Did all the recruits say they were told Temple would be in the Big East? It's possible the coaches worded it more carefully but what the recruit heard was "we're going to the Big East".

http://templefootballforever.blogspot.co...heres.html

Tavon Young (his father said)
"He has always loved the staff that came up from Florida. He likes the defensive scheme. It is close to home and he will be a part of the Big East in 2012."

Tanner Kearns (his father said):
“I got to meet their coach and like him. I know they play in Eagle Stadium (Lincoln Financial Field) and plan on moving to the Big East soon.”

Nobody knows the exact words the staff used *BUT* its clear what recruits and parents thought they were saying.

Most of those comments were by a couple of recruits or their families and you didn't hear any of that from the majority. There was a comment by an oline recruit last week who was recruited by BCS AQ schools that he wanted to come to Temple so, in his words "dominate the MAC". Clearly he knew where the Owls would be playing. In addition, a couple WVU decommits opted for Temple just before signing day, Nate Smith who is local and knows the Temple situation. I think there are several schools out there who over the past 6 months could have legitimately said they would be moving to the Big East and had that change with all the games that conference is playing

(02-08-2012 02:54 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 02:49 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 02:22 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  Hey, I don't care what Villanova might have done, the facts are the facts. The recruits didn't say that Temple had a chance, they said that Temple was going to move to the Big East soon.

I know the possible repercussions first hand. Toledo had a head coach a while back that told recruits that Toledo was looking at going to the Big East soon (this was back during one of the first waves and Toledo was even mentioned some here and there). One particular recruit mentioned it in an interview. He's now playing in the NFL. Anyway, he was the last recruit from his high school to sign with Toledo for quite a while. There were at least five years of broken relations with that school and Toledo. And overall, Toledo's football program took a nose-dive right at the same time, and it didn't get better until a new coach was hired. And even then, getting his foot back in the door at this particular high school was very hard.

Good point. Did all the recruits say they were told Temple would be in the Big East? It's possible the coaches worded it more carefully but what the recruit heard was "we're going to the Big East".

http://templefootballforever.blogspot.co...heres.html

Tavon Young (his father said)
"He has always loved the staff that came up from Florida. He likes the defensive scheme. It is close to home and he will be a part of the Big East in 2012."

Tanner Kearns (his father said):
“I got to meet their coach and like him. I know they play in Eagle Stadium (Lincoln Financial Field) and plan on moving to the Big East soon.”

Nobody knows the exact words the staff used *BUT* its clear what recruits and parents thought they were saying.

(02-08-2012 02:54 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 02:49 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 02:22 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  Hey, I don't care what Villanova might have done, the facts are the facts. The recruits didn't say that Temple had a chance, they said that Temple was going to move to the Big East soon.

I know the possible repercussions first hand. Toledo had a head coach a while back that told recruits that Toledo was looking at going to the Big East soon (this was back during one of the first waves and Toledo was even mentioned some here and there). One particular recruit mentioned it in an interview. He's now playing in the NFL. Anyway, he was the last recruit from his high school to sign with Toledo for quite a while. There were at least five years of broken relations with that school and Toledo. And overall, Toledo's football program took a nose-dive right at the same time, and it didn't get better until a new coach was hired. And even then, getting his foot back in the door at this particular high school was very hard.

Good point. Did all the recruits say they were told Temple would be in the Big East? It's possible the coaches worded it more carefully but what the recruit heard was "we're going to the Big East".

http://templefootballforever.blogspot.co...heres.html

Tavon Young (his father said)
"He has always loved the staff that came up from Florida. He likes the defensive scheme. It is close to home and he will be a part of the Big East in 2012."

Tanner Kearns (his father said):
“I got to meet their coach and like him. I know they play in Eagle Stadium (Lincoln Financial Field) and plan on moving to the Big East soon.”

Nobody knows the exact words the staff used *BUT* its clear what recruits and parents thought they were saying.

Looks like Nova blocked them again...per the NY Post...

Nova again

What pisses me off about the Nova situation is if Temple joined the big east, its not like Villanova basketball would get worse they would remain at the same level, and if anything having a local rival in the big east would just enhance the TU nova rivalry and benefit both teams. But they know that Temple football would probably increase at a faster rate that what it is at right now if they moved to the big east, and its like one kid who can't eat chocolate no matter what they try getting chocolate outlawed for everyone out of jealous spite.

(02-08-2012 05:10 PM)cttu Wrote:  What pisses me off about the Nova situation is if Temple joined the big east, its not like Villanova basketball would get worse they would remain at the same level, and if anything having a local rival in the big east would just enhance the TU nova rivalry and benefit both teams. But they know that Temple football would probably increase at a faster rate that what it is at right now if they moved to the big east, and its like one kid who can't eat chocolate no matter what they try getting chocolate outlawed for everyone out of jealous spite.

Actually, this is probably what Nova is terrified will happen. They probably see that they have a recruiting advantage saying that they play in the Big East and Temple doesn't. While Temple is still a good program in a good league, they aren't in the "Big East" that plays its conference tournament in MSG.

If Temple could claim all of this AND have FBS football, that may be enough to tip the recruiting scale enough where Nova becomes the #2 team in Philly in their own conference.

I understand why they would want to keep Temple out, I am amazed that they are so successful at keeping them out. Temple to the Big East makes too much sense for the other programs not to want it. Nova must be working overtime 24/7/365, and that's very unsightly.

Temple may still land back in the BE...eventually.

(02-08-2012 06:42 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  Temple may still land back in the BE...eventually.

By then, what teams will be left? Louisville, gone? UConn, gone?

Syracuse already gone.
Pitt already gone.
BC already gone.
VT already gone.
WVU already gone.

It won't be the Big East anymore.