I'd love to be in a football conference with Louisville, Cincy, Boise, San Diego State, AFA etc. Now, will they stay in the BE? That is an entirely different question.

I understand why Nova thinks their recruiting will be down, but the way I see it there are sooo many basketball recruits that very easily can temple and nova both coexsist and get elite recruits. they can fill 1 in with one new top recruit per year..

And if everything stays the same I like the Mac, I'm just worried over time a few superconferences will evolve and every other team will start spending less and temple would be on the outside looking in

(02-08-2012 06:42 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  Temple may still land back in the BE...eventually.

I figured this would be the year. If not now, then I'm not sure ever.

(02-08-2012 06:17 PM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 05:10 PM)cttu Wrote:  What pisses me off about the Nova situation is if Temple joined the big east, its not like Villanova basketball would get worse they would remain at the same level, and if anything having a local rival in the big east would just enhance the TU nova rivalry and benefit both teams. But they know that Temple football would probably increase at a faster rate that what it is at right now if they moved to the big east, and its like one kid who can't eat chocolate no matter what they try getting chocolate outlawed for everyone out of jealous spite.

Actually, this is probably what Nova is terrified will happen. They probably see that they have a recruiting advantage saying that they play in the Big East and Temple doesn't. While Temple is still a good program in a good league, they aren't in the "Big East" that plays its conference tournament in MSG.

If Temple could claim all of this AND have FBS football, that may be enough to tip the recruiting scale enough where Nova becomes the #2 team in Philly in their own conference.

I understand why they would want to keep Temple out, I am amazed that they are so successful at keeping them out. Temple to the Big East makes too much sense for the other programs not to want it. Nova must be working overtime 24/7/365, and that's very unsightly.

You have to remember that Nova is an important member of the original block of non-football schools in the BE. Essentially they have power and in many things they are willing to compromise with each other to make sure they vote together in all cases. This ensures that they are not left behind in any way by the football schools especially now since so few schools will have any history with them (and are very different to boot). One of Novas likely requirements is that they stay the only Philly school in the league. I would think things would have to get really bad on the basketball end for that block to fracture in that way. Now this stops Temple as an all sports school but football only is possible since Nova cares less about that and that block of schools do not get a say in that regard (as far as I know).

(02-08-2012 08:32 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 06:42 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  Temple may still land back in the BE...eventually.

I figured this would be the year. If not now, then I'm not sure ever.

Once they take Houston, SMU, UCF, and *memphis* and not Temple? So long as the hoops schools can keep them out for all sports they will not get that invite.

(02-09-2012 01:08 AM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 06:17 PM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 05:10 PM)cttu Wrote:  What pisses me off about the Nova situation is if Temple joined the big east, its not like Villanova basketball would get worse they would remain at the same level, and if anything having a local rival in the big east would just enhance the TU nova rivalry and benefit both teams. But they know that Temple football would probably increase at a faster rate that what it is at right now if they moved to the big east, and its like one kid who can't eat chocolate no matter what they try getting chocolate outlawed for everyone out of jealous spite.

Actually, this is probably what Nova is terrified will happen. They probably see that they have a recruiting advantage saying that they play in the Big East and Temple doesn't. While Temple is still a good program in a good league, they aren't in the "Big East" that plays its conference tournament in MSG.

If Temple could claim all of this AND have FBS football, that may be enough to tip the recruiting scale enough where Nova becomes the #2 team in Philly in their own conference.

I understand why they would want to keep Temple out, I am amazed that they are so successful at keeping them out. Temple to the Big East makes too much sense for the other programs not to want it. Nova must be working overtime 24/7/365, and that's very unsightly.

You have to remember that Nova is an important member of the original block of non-football schools in the BE. Essentially they have power and in many things they are willing to compromise with each other to make sure they vote together in all cases. This ensures that they are not left behind in any way by the football schools especially now since so few schools will have any history with them (and are very different to boot). One of Novas likely requirements is that they stay the only Philly school in the league. I would think things would have to get really bad on the basketball end for that block to fracture in that way. Now this stops Temple as an all sports school but football only is possible since Nova cares less about that and that block of schools do not get a say in that regard (as far as I know).

Actually Villanova does care about football. There are many in the administration there that want Villanova to move up including Jay Wright. Villanova wants to be the football member in Philly and they are leveraging their power of all-sports invites (catholic block) to make sure they are still in the discussion for football

(02-08-2012 08:32 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 06:42 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  Temple may still land back in the BE...eventually.

I figured this would be the year. If not now, then I'm not sure ever.

I think Temple is out of the MAC by 2015 to balance the Big East at 14 teams when Navy is scheduled to arrive.

As some of the posters on here have mentioned, the Big East won't be nothing more than a greatest hits album of MWC, CUSA and BE basketball one sport wonders. Its not going to be the kind of conference the old Big East was, capable of helping a school like Cincinnati build a larger football fanbase.

MAC schools may be as well off trying to pull together a small market super conference where the institutional goals are all the same.

(02-09-2012 08:47 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(02-09-2012 01:08 AM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 06:17 PM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 05:10 PM)cttu Wrote:  What pisses me off about the Nova situation is if Temple joined the big east, its not like Villanova basketball would get worse they would remain at the same level, and if anything having a local rival in the big east would just enhance the TU nova rivalry and benefit both teams. But they know that Temple football would probably increase at a faster rate that what it is at right now if they moved to the big east, and its like one kid who can't eat chocolate no matter what they try getting chocolate outlawed for everyone out of jealous spite.

Actually, this is probably what Nova is terrified will happen. They probably see that they have a recruiting advantage saying that they play in the Big East and Temple doesn't. While Temple is still a good program in a good league, they aren't in the "Big East" that plays its conference tournament in MSG.

If Temple could claim all of this AND have FBS football, that may be enough to tip the recruiting scale enough where Nova becomes the #2 team in Philly in their own conference.

I understand why they would want to keep Temple out, I am amazed that they are so successful at keeping them out. Temple to the Big East makes too much sense for the other programs not to want it. Nova must be working overtime 24/7/365, and that's very unsightly.

You have to remember that Nova is an important member of the original block of non-football schools in the BE. Essentially they have power and in many things they are willing to compromise with each other to make sure they vote together in all cases. This ensures that they are not left behind in any way by the football schools especially now since so few schools will have any history with them (and are very different to boot). One of Novas likely requirements is that they stay the only Philly school in the league. I would think things would have to get really bad on the basketball end for that block to fracture in that way. Now this stops Temple as an all sports school but football only is possible since Nova cares less about that and that block of schools do not get a say in that regard (as far as I know).

Actually Villanova does care about football. There are many in the administration there that want Villanova to move up including Jay Wright. Villanova wants to be the football member in Philly and they are leveraging their power of all-sports invites (catholic block) to make sure they are still in the discussion for football

Do you really think they have FBS aspirations? If they do their actions haven't pointed towards any real commitment to moving up. To me it just seems like another tactic to keep Temple out. I also don't think they want Temple in, even as a partial member. If Temple gets their foot in the door as FB only, and actually wins this time, they will have a lot of momentum to join as a full member.

I still don't see the BE adding Temple as a conference-saving move, and I certainly see why Villanova doesn't want them in. That being said, with the all movement throughout conferences I wouldn't be surprised to see Temple get an invite at some point.

Nova likely had all the non-football schools, plus (at least) Louisville and Cincy on their side for this vote.

If the Big East adds (not expands) a team in the future it will likely be to replace team(s) that left, and likely UL is gone from that block, maybe Cincy. If Cincy is still around, I wonder if they still vote with Nova because Nova "helped" get their old rival Memphis into the league.

This type of politicking is a black-eye for college athletics.

Temple is probably no worse than #3 on the list now, with only the two available service academies ahead of them. Ok...maybe#4, BYU also.

I don't know if Temple will ever get back in.

They may in a couple of years to balance out the BE schedule.....depends on if there are more defections from the BE in the near term...if so, they will be calling Temple.

(02-09-2012 11:19 AM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote:  Nova likely had all the non-football schools, plus (at least) Louisville and Cincy on their side for this vote.

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This type of politicking is a black-eye for college athletics.

Actually I am ok with this particular kind of politicking..

If YSU was trying to move up and the MAC could choose between them, and say SEMO or Stony Brook who would they choose..

If Akron/Kent went to UB and said "We dont want YSU fighting for recruits with us, help us and well help you get Stony Brook in, or help you get ....) Whats wrong with that?

It's not underhanded its cooperative. Its how institutions in a conference get along. Its why the SEC will likely never add a new member who shares a state with an existing member and thats good for their conference.

(02-09-2012 12:02 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-09-2012 11:19 AM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote:  Nova likely had all the non-football schools, plus (at least) Louisville and Cincy on their side for this vote.

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This type of politicking is a black-eye for college athletics.

Actually I am ok with this particular kind of politicking..

If YSU was trying to move up and the MAC could choose between them, and say SEMO or Stony Brook who would they choose..

If Akron/Kent went to UB and said "We dont want YSU fighting for recruits with us, help us and well help you get Stony Brook in, or help you get ....) Whats wrong with that?

It's not underhanded its cooperative. Its how institutions in a conference get along. Its why the SEC will likely never add a new member who shares a state with an existing member and thats good for their conference.

I believe it's buried in one of these threads but it was pointed out that Nova has made the BE schools A LOT of money over the past decade or so by moving through the NCAA tournament. I'm sure that buys them some loyalty from other teams.

(02-09-2012 12:10 PM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(02-09-2012 12:02 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-09-2012 11:19 AM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote:  Nova likely had all the non-football schools, plus (at least) Louisville and Cincy on their side for this vote.

...

This type of politicking is a black-eye for college athletics.

Actually I am ok with this particular kind of politicking..

If YSU was trying to move up and the MAC could choose between them, and say SEMO or Stony Brook who would they choose..

If Akron/Kent went to UB and said "We dont want YSU fighting for recruits with us, help us and well help you get Stony Brook in, or help you get ....) Whats wrong with that?

It's not underhanded its cooperative. Its how institutions in a conference get along. Its why the SEC will likely never add a new member who shares a state with an existing member and thats good for their conference.

I believe it's buried in one of these threads but it was pointed out that Nova has made the BE schools A LOT of money over the past decade or so by moving through the NCAA tournament. I'm sure that buys them some loyalty from other teams.

Certainly helped make BE Bball big time...
1985 nova vs. GTown (Patrick Ewing) for the national championship... really but BE ball on the map