(09-14-2024 12:48 AM)OilersTexansfan Wrote:  

(09-12-2024 03:18 PM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  

(09-12-2024 08:58 AM)TexanFan Wrote:  So far, Boise, Fresno, San Diego St and Colorado St are in.

I don’t know if Tarleton goes to the MWC, but we will at least backfill a an FBS conference who loses schools to the Mountain.

Would love the MWC but yeah, I think we will have to settle for CUSA initially and move up from there when another oppurtunity arises. The more chaos the better chance we have. CUSA could get picked apart by every other G5 FBS conference from all directions NMSU/UTEP -->MWC Delaware--->MAC/AAC MTSU/WKU---> MAC/SBC We just have to be patient and have our $5M check filled out to the NCAA.

If the MWC takes UTEP and NMSU, will they try and get to 12? If they do, will Tarleton get invited?

Or if Tarleton got invitations from both MWC and CUSA, which none would they choose?

Best guess is that will try and get back to 12. There are not a whole lot of teams in the western half of the US that they can pull from like you could in the eastern half. Options are extremely limited on the FBS side ( UTEP and NMSU) There are probably about a dozen or so FCS teams that are capable ( Tarleton and ACU being 2 of them) and a few have been very vocal ( Tarleton and NDSU) about moving up, but others such as Idaho and the Montana's have either turned down multiple offers or moved back to FCS from FBS so who knows how many of them are really interested in moving.

Tarleton COULD get invited but MAY NOT get invited. Again, who knows? But I certainly hope we do!

Tarleton would choose the MWC over CUSA anyday. It is a no brainer. Similar to WAC over Southland. CUSA is like the Southland Conference of FBS. It is the very bottom of FBS.

(09-13-2024 11:37 AM)TexanFan Wrote:  https://www.extrapointsmb.com/p/im-heari...ybody-else

And one more from Matt Brown. He mentions Tarleton but also UVU, Cal Baptist and Grand Canyon to improve MWC basketball.

Brown said that In his opinion, the MWC Should look to double down on their basketball. Thus looking at those schools.

https://uclawire.usatoday.com/2024/09/14...ce=twitter

Even without any moves, Grand Canyon and Seattle leaving likely is the end for WAC Swimming and Diving. The Mountain West would have three of the four remaining members on the men's side, and the Big Sky would have four of the seven remaining members on the women's side (the WAC has two and thr Southland has one).

WAC men's soccer is OK for now, as the WAC would still have seven even if the Pac-12 sponsors it and San Diego State is no longer an affiliate. Right now the WAC and MW (Air Force x San Jose State, UNLV) have three members each among those that remain. Further expansion by the Pac-12may jeopardize the WAC's sponsorship.

The WAC may be down to just six in baseball if Sacramento State joins the Mountain West. If anyone other than Southern Utah leaves this pushes WAC baseball below six.

Men's tennis will be down to two members and women's tennis will be down to four members next season.

I really don't see how the WAC survives this barring a complete breakup of the Summit League. Not only would NDSU and SDSU go FBS, but someone else has to push the Summit below seven before the WAC loses anyone, i.e. St. Thomas to the MVC.

Maybe there's a scenario where the WAC swallows the Summit:

NDSU and SDSU from Summit to Mountain West
Illinois State from MVC to MAC
St. Thomas from Summit to MVC
Eastern Kentucky, Austin Peay, Central Arkansas from ASUN to C-USA
Tarleton from WAC to C-USA

which leaves us with a WAC that looks like this:

Cal Baptist, Southern Utah, Utah Tech, Utah Valley, Denver, Omaha
North Dakota, South Dakota, Kansas City, Oral Roberts, Abilene Christian, Texas-Arlington

WAC Football: Southern Utah, Utah Tech, Abilene Christian, North Dakota, South Dakota, Northern Iowa, Southern Illinois, Indiana State, Youngstown State

West Georgia and North Alabama affiliate with the OVC/Big South for football.

Cal Baptist eventually leaves for the WCC or Mountain West (who needs some presence in Southern California) and is replaced by a Division II upgrade from Texas.

(09-14-2024 12:48 AM)OilersTexansfan Wrote:  

(09-12-2024 03:18 PM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  

(09-12-2024 08:58 AM)TexanFan Wrote:  So far, Boise, Fresno, San Diego St and Colorado St are in.

I don’t know if Tarleton goes to the MWC, but we will at least backfill a an FBS conference who loses schools to the Mountain.

Would love the MWC but yeah, I think we will have to settle for CUSA initially and move up from there when another oppurtunity arises. The more chaos the better chance we have. CUSA could get picked apart by every other G5 FBS conference from all directions NMSU/UTEP -->MWC Delaware--->MAC/AAC MTSU/WKU---> MAC/SBC We just have to be patient and have our $5M check filled out to the NCAA.

If the MWC takes UTEP and NMSU, will they try and get to 12? If they do, will Tarleton get invited?

Or if Tarleton got invitations from both MWC and CUSA, which none would they choose?

I cant imagine how Tarleton would fit their profile. they mostly have small-state flagships like New Mexico, Wyoming, Utah state, Hawaii, etc that represent their state rather than regional schools from a big state trying to find their niche. Tarleton might be a better fit for cusa.

Utah State is NOT a state flagship. And most of those states (Wyoming, N.Mex, Nevada, Hawaii) only have 1 or at best 2 FBS teams to choose from and 0 FCS schools. Tarleton is a National University not a regional one.

What's a "National University?"

UTA is a national research university based on ranking of research money and degrees. Tarleton is as well. These are well deserved accolades. Hard earned distinctions.

ACU has zoomed up to a much higher rank than the past as well, with grants for advanced nuclear reactor creation and things like Neutrino detection at FermiLab, and a history of working on the large hadron collider detectors at Brookhaven national lab and important contribution to the astonishing proof of the graviton as well as working on fission cross sections at Los Alamos, etc. ACU is best known nationally and internationally for its Physics and Engineering activities, which are not often coffee table type discussions. We are a bit lop-sided, but typically having students from all 50 states and 40 or more foreign countries.

(09-15-2024 08:55 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  What's a "National University?"

In the United States, the term "national university" connotes the highest institutional level in education, differing in meaning from a "federally-chartered university." Globally, some national universities are associated with national cultural or political aspirations.

The term regional public universities (RPUs) encompasses public four-year institutions who serve the “new majority” of students, enrolling a disproportionately higher number of students of color, of low-income backgrounds, first generation, Pell Grant recipients, community college transfers, working adults, and ...

So says Google so it must be true.

So are you saying that Utah State, Wyoming, New Mexico, Nevada and Hawaii are not "National Universities?" I think the entire argument lacks merit and misses the essential points about what makes an FBS or FCS school more or less attractive to any given conference. If TSU has more enthusiasm, bigger market area, more butts in stadium seats and huge budget dollars available, it is more attractive than some of the others. The willingness of Tarleton leadership to make the investments and strive for greater things is admirable, something we can only wish for at UTA. If it were my vote, I'd probably send Tarleton to the CUSA. But you know better.

I know I am in the minority but I just wish Tarleton could stay at the FCS level long enough to win a National Championship are the very least make some deep runs into the playoffs before heading off to the world FBS obscurity.

(09-16-2024 10:59 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  I know I am in the minority but I just wish Tarleton could stay at the FCS level long enough to win a National Championship are the very least make some deep runs into the playoffs before heading off to the world FBS obscurity.

Absolutely. Last I checked we didn't win a ship at the D2 level. What's the hurry?

(09-16-2024 11:29 AM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 10:59 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  I know I am in the minority but I just wish Tarleton could stay at the FCS level long enough to win a National Championship are the very least make some deep runs into the playoffs before heading off to the world FBS obscurity.

Absolutely. Last I checked we didn't win a ship at the D2 level. What's the hurry?

I remember taking alot of heat on this board a few years back when I said Tarleton is going FBS sooner rather than later. The reason why I said that is everything changes in 2026. TV deals CFP payouts, everything. Any school that has any inkling of ever going FBS needs to be prepared to do so before 2026. After that, all bets are off. There will be no more moving up after that, at least not for a loooong while. It will be a textbook case of haves vs. have-nots. This is why you saw all the movement with the "Superconferences" aligning forces to ensure their piece of the CFP pie, which will be HUGE. Tarleton saw all this coming and planned well in advance to be one of the last FBS move ups (fingers crossed). Just Google "CFP contract 2026" and venture down the rabbit hole...

(09-16-2024 11:29 AM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 10:59 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  I know I am in the minority but I just wish Tarleton could stay at the FCS level long enough to win a National Championship are the very least make some deep runs into the playoffs before heading off to the world FBS obscurity.

Absolutely. Last I checked we didn't win a ship at the D2 level. What's the hurry?

It was there for the taking. Tarleton would own the watered down LSC these days.

But I digress, what is in front is all that matters.

(09-16-2024 01:18 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 11:29 AM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  

(09-16-2024 10:59 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  I know I am in the minority but I just wish Tarleton could stay at the FCS level long enough to win a National Championship are the very least make some deep runs into the playoffs before heading off to the world FBS obscurity.

Absolutely. Last I checked we didn't win a ship at the D2 level. What's the hurry?

It was there for the taking. Tarleton would own the watered down LSC these days.

But I digress, what is in front is all that matters.

maybe some are confused about flagships. they usually are the one or two main universities of a state. every state has a "U" for all the liberal arts stuff and I think most have a "State" for all the landgrant stuff like ag and engineering. when they compete against each other state bragging rights are on the line. doesnt mean they have a national following. just my view

Should we start a list of all IT’s garuntees since 2020? Would be pretty fun.
He hasn’t gotten one thing right to date.

(09-16-2024 02:10 PM)Oscar P Wrote:  Should we start a list of all IT’s garuntees since 2020? Would be pretty fun.
He hasn’t gotten one thing right to date.

Go for it, chump. Not that I'm overly concerned with being right all the time, but you just might be surprised!

At least I shoot my shots and speculate instead sitting back, critiquing and claim to know it all after the fact, like a ROYAL

Have you ever even started a thread or offered anything of note to this board other than taking jabs and talking sh*t? Bring SOMETHING, man. Or else GTFOH.

My prediction for Tarleton is CUSA next depending on if Mountain West takes NM State and UTEP.

Not what I want to see but it appears inevitable.

Things could’ve went a whole differently if the WAC would’ve brought in the right leadership. JMHO

(09-16-2024 09:25 AM)wewererebels Wrote:  So are you saying that Utah State, Wyoming, New Mexico, Nevada and Hawaii are not "National Universities?" I think the entire argument lacks merit and misses the essential points about what makes an FBS or FCS school more or less attractive to any given conference. If TSU has more enthusiasm, bigger market area, more butts in stadium seats and huge budget dollars available, it is more attractive than some of the others. The willingness of Tarleton leadership to make the investments and strive for greater things is admirable, something we can only wish for at UTA. If it were my vote, I'd probably send Tarleton to the CUSA. But you know better.

I said nothing of the sort. EVERY school currently in the MWC IS a NATIONAL University, and I am sure that is a prerequisite for admission. YOU implied Tarleton was a "Regional" University which is not true, we are a NATIONAL University as well.

University of Utah ( Utes) is the states flagship and BYU has special status as well because of Utah's mormon history, but Utah State is NOT a flagship, just a state school just like Weber St, SUU, and UTU except they are FBS not FCS. Just so your not confused, Tx State is not a state flagship either.

YOU implied that I implied something or other about Tarleton. I'm happy that you are here to tell us which universities are flagships and which are not. Please let us know as well regarding the State of Indiana, what with Purdue, Notre Dame, Butler and 130 other 4-year schools. This is such an educational forum!