(09-09-2024 11:29 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:26 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  ^^ I think it's simply a function of the Harris/Walz campaign being so new, and not enough time for wide sign distribution.

Or maybe KH/TW just suck and less people like them.

Maybe, but a lack of time to produce signs would certainly play a factor, as well. One is not exclusive to the other.

SHe's been the coronated nominee now for almost 8 weeks. They would have been further behind the 8 ball if they had an open convention. With as much money as they have, printing signs isnt an issue.

(09-09-2024 11:29 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:26 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  ^^ I think it's simply a function of the Harris/Walz campaign being so new, and not enough time for wide sign distribution.

Or maybe KH/TW just suck and less people like them.

Maybe, but a lack of time to produce signs would certainly play a factor, as well. One is not exclusive to the other.

There's Harris/Walz signs.. I've seen a handful... I believe they're like a light blue with Harris in big white letters.

(09-09-2024 10:41 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I think she is stuck with this one. Back out now, and she loses whatever credibility she might have with undecided voters.

Sure, the loons will back her, but they're not the target audience, any more than "Trumplets" are.

I honestly think she's still better off just finding a way out---especially considering the press will lay down cover fire for her by legitimizing whatever her chosen reason for backing out happens to be. I think she's better off passing on the debate for the simple old adage---Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. If she goes through with it----I think she will get the questions ahead of time from press allies and simply regurgitate prefab prepared answers that reveal no specifics. She just has to get through the debate without saying much of anything beyond some hope-n-change mantra that ignores she is the current VP and completely agrees with an incumbent administration that caused all our current problems.

She’s debating tomorrow, everyone.

It’s too late to back out, unless there is a confirmed medical or family emergency that takes place.

(09-09-2024 11:52 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  She’s debating tomorrow, everyone.

It’s too late to back out, unless there is a confirmed medical or family emergency that takes place.

True.. All tomorrow will do is either sway the on the fence folks one way or another.. There are two sects of people that have their mind made up already and doesn't matter what a debate does.

(09-09-2024 11:51 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 10:41 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I think she is stuck with this one. Back out now, and she loses whatever credibility she might have with undecided voters.

Sure, the loons will back her, but they're not the target audience, any more than "Trumplets" are.

I honestly think she's still better off just finding a way out---especially considering the press will lay down cover fire for her by legitimizing whatever her chosen reason for backing out happens to be. I think she's better off passing on the debate for the simple old adage---Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. If she goes through with it----I think she will get the questions ahead of time from press allies and simply regurgitate prefab prepared answers that reveal no specifics. She just has to get through the debate without saying much of anything beyond some hope-n-change mantra that ignores she is the current VP and completely agrees with an incumbent administration that caused all our current problems.

I agree she might be better off ducking out, esp. if she screws up, but you just laid out exactly what her strategy could be, which is an argument for staying in.

They have already made it clear their strategy is to try to get Trump rattled for sound bites they can use in ads. To them, that would be a victory.

(09-09-2024 11:35 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:29 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:26 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  ^^ I think it's simply a function of the Harris/Walz campaign being so new, and not enough time for wide sign distribution.

Or maybe KH/TW just suck and less people like them.

Maybe, but a lack of time to produce signs would certainly play a factor, as well. One is not exclusive to the other.

SHe's been the coronated nominee now for almost 8 weeks. They would have been further behind the 8 ball if they had an open convention. With as much money as they have, printing signs isnt an issue.

Okay, I call "Uncle!" You guys have convinced me that signs matter in some little town in PA, and Harris is losing by a landslide in the state.

I hope you're all correct.

(09-09-2024 11:54 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:52 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  She’s debating tomorrow, everyone.

It’s too late to back out, unless there is a confirmed medical or family emergency that takes place.

True.. All tomorrow will do is either sway the on the fence folks one way or another.. There are two sects of people that have their mind made up already and doesn't matter what a debate does.

I give you...........

The Covid

All that's left to save Kamala is to get Joe to abdicate.
Jill won't allow that.
Nor will Hunter.

(09-09-2024 11:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:51 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 10:41 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I think she is stuck with this one. Back out now, and she loses whatever credibility she might have with undecided voters.

Sure, the loons will back her, but they're not the target audience, any more than "Trumplets" are.

I honestly think she's still better off just finding a way out---especially considering the press will lay down cover fire for her by legitimizing whatever her chosen reason for backing out happens to be. I think she's better off passing on the debate for the simple old adage---Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. If she goes through with it----I think she will get the questions ahead of time from press allies and simply regurgitate prefab prepared answers that reveal no specifics. She just has to get through the debate without saying much of anything beyond some hope-n-change mantra that ignores she is the current VP and completely agrees with an incumbent administration that caused all our current problems.

I agree she might be better off ducking out, esp. if she screws up, but you just laid out exactly what her strategy could be, which is an argument for staying in.

They have already made it clear their strategy is to try to get Trump rattled for sound bites they can use in ads. To them, that would be a victory.

You know---I think they are going to have trouble with that sound bite strategy because there is no crowd to play to. There will be no laugh to a funny line---or audience reaction to a "Mr President, Im speaking" type line. I think having no audience makes it harder to land those kinds of verbal punches. In the last debate---it was Biden's brain going into total vapor lock that made the difference between Trump and Biden suddenly become so clear to the audience. If this debate is to be won---it will be won on actual debating issues---because the Harris Progressive economic stances are not really very popular with the American people.....as every American is reminded of every time they go to the grocery store. They need to see Harris become inarticulate when pushed to reveal specifics rather than rely on vague pre-fab rhetorical flourishes.

In regards to yard signs, I think Trump will improve in the suburbs. Swing-neighborhoods I didn’t see much of Trump signs in 2020 this year have them. The Democrats will do good down-ballot tho, & this is what polls are reflecting as well.

People were writing off the suburbs after 2020, it’s like, all these suburbs went for Trump in 2016, they can swing back.

(09-09-2024 12:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:51 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 10:41 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I think she is stuck with this one. Back out now, and she loses whatever credibility she might have with undecided voters.

Sure, the loons will back her, but they're not the target audience, any more than "Trumplets" are.

I honestly think she's still better off just finding a way out---especially considering the press will lay down cover fire for her by legitimizing whatever her chosen reason for backing out happens to be. I think she's better off passing on the debate for the simple old adage---Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. If she goes through with it----I think she will get the questions ahead of time from press allies and simply regurgitate prefab prepared answers that reveal no specifics. She just has to get through the debate without saying much of anything beyond some hope-n-change mantra that ignores she is the current VP and completely agrees with an incumbent administration that caused all our current problems.

I agree she might be better off ducking out, esp. if she screws up, but you just laid out exactly what her strategy could be, which is an argument for staying in.

They have already made it clear their strategy is to try to get Trump rattled for sound bites they can use in ads. To them, that would be a victory.

You know---I think they are going to have trouble with that sound bite strategy because there is no crowd to play to. There will be no laugh to a funny line---or audience reaction to a "Mr President, Im speaking" type line. I think having no audience makes it harder to land those kinds of verbal punches. In the last debate---it was Biden's brain going into total vapor lock that made the difference between Trump and Biden suddenly become so clear to the audience. If this debate is to be won---it will be won on actual debating issues---because the Harris Progressive economic stances are not really very popular with the American people.....as every American is reminded of every time they go to the grocery store. They need to see Harris become inarticulate when pushed to reveal specifics rather than rely on vague pre-fab rhetorical flourishes.

And that is the problem, the three stooges on the moderation panel will never push her or allow Trump to ask her himself.

(09-09-2024 11:59 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:35 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:29 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:26 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  ^^ I think it's simply a function of the Harris/Walz campaign being so new, and not enough time for wide sign distribution.

Or maybe KH/TW just suck and less people like them.

Maybe, but a lack of time to produce signs would certainly play a factor, as well. One is not exclusive to the other.

SHe's been the coronated nominee now for almost 8 weeks. They would have been further behind the 8 ball if they had an open convention. With as much money as they have, printing signs isnt an issue.

Okay, I call "Uncle!" You guys have convinced me that signs matter in some little town in PA, and Harris is losing by a landslide in the state.

I hope you're all correct.

haha, no its not that. Its just that the one thing a campaign can do is crank out a few million signs overnight. So its not a shortage of signs.

(09-09-2024 12:47 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:59 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:35 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:29 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:26 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Or maybe KH/TW just suck and less people like them.

Maybe, but a lack of time to produce signs would certainly play a factor, as well. One is not exclusive to the other.

SHe's been the coronated nominee now for almost 8 weeks. They would have been further behind the 8 ball if they had an open convention. With as much money as they have, printing signs isnt an issue.

Okay, I call "Uncle!" You guys have convinced me that signs matter in some little town in PA, and Harris is losing by a landslide in the state.

I hope you're all correct.

haha, no its not that. Its just that the one thing a campaign can do is crank out a few million signs overnight. So its not a shortage of signs.

Well, I was kidding on the landslide part, but my point really had to do with distribution of the signs to small neighborhoods in some small town in a relatively short campaign (2+ weeks since the DNC so far), not to the actually printing itself.

Yall have this backwards because the VP is not looking for a way out. She knows it's her one chance to turn polls around. She's looking for her Northern Ill moment....

play the best game that she will have in her whole life

(09-09-2024 12:44 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 12:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:51 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 10:41 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I think she is stuck with this one. Back out now, and she loses whatever credibility she might have with undecided voters.

Sure, the loons will back her, but they're not the target audience, any more than "Trumplets" are.

I honestly think she's still better off just finding a way out---especially considering the press will lay down cover fire for her by legitimizing whatever her chosen reason for backing out happens to be. I think she's better off passing on the debate for the simple old adage---Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. If she goes through with it----I think she will get the questions ahead of time from press allies and simply regurgitate prefab prepared answers that reveal no specifics. She just has to get through the debate without saying much of anything beyond some hope-n-change mantra that ignores she is the current VP and completely agrees with an incumbent administration that caused all our current problems.

I agree she might be better off ducking out, esp. if she screws up, but you just laid out exactly what her strategy could be, which is an argument for staying in.

They have already made it clear their strategy is to try to get Trump rattled for sound bites they can use in ads. To them, that would be a victory.

You know---I think they are going to have trouble with that sound bite strategy because there is no crowd to play to. There will be no laugh to a funny line---or audience reaction to a "Mr President, Im speaking" type line. I think having no audience makes it harder to land those kinds of verbal punches. In the last debate---it was Biden's brain going into total vapor lock that made the difference between Trump and Biden suddenly become so clear to the audience. If this debate is to be won---it will be won on actual debating issues---because the Harris Progressive economic stances are not really very popular with the American people.....as every American is reminded of every time they go to the grocery store. They need to see Harris become inarticulate when pushed to reveal specifics rather than rely on vague pre-fab rhetorical flourishes.

And that is the problem, the three stooges on the moderation panel will never push her or allow Trump to ask her himself.

Dont need the moderators to do anything. Trump has a mic. Use it. Just keep asking Harris the question---"What does that mean? What specific policies are you suggesting? She always says so many words---but never actually says anything. I mean---if she has all these great problem solving policies---why aren't they doing those things RIGHT NOW? Why didnt the Biden-Harris Administration use all these mysterious problem solving ideas during the last 4 years to make America Great Again?"

He needs to push her past the prefab rehearsed answer---and when she wont go there---if he keeps pushing the issue---it makes it obvious she either wont or cant answer further. If he does that all night, it doesnt really matter why she doesnt answer more specifically. Her refusal to do so tells the voters either she doesnt really know the specifics---or worse yet---she knows the voters will move away from her if they hear the specifics prior to the election.

(09-10-2024 05:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 12:44 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 12:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-09-2024 11:51 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I honestly think she's still better off just finding a way out---especially considering the press will lay down cover fire for her by legitimizing whatever her chosen reason for backing out happens to be. I think she's better off passing on the debate for the simple old adage---Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. If she goes through with it----I think she will get the questions ahead of time from press allies and simply regurgitate prefab prepared answers that reveal no specifics. She just has to get through the debate without saying much of anything beyond some hope-n-change mantra that ignores she is the current VP and completely agrees with an incumbent administration that caused all our current problems.

I agree she might be better off ducking out, esp. if she screws up, but you just laid out exactly what her strategy could be, which is an argument for staying in.

They have already made it clear their strategy is to try to get Trump rattled for sound bites they can use in ads. To them, that would be a victory.

You know---I think they are going to have trouble with that sound bite strategy because there is no crowd to play to. There will be no laugh to a funny line---or audience reaction to a "Mr President, Im speaking" type line. I think having no audience makes it harder to land those kinds of verbal punches. In the last debate---it was Biden's brain going into total vapor lock that made the difference between Trump and Biden suddenly become so clear to the audience. If this debate is to be won---it will be won on actual debating issues---because the Harris Progressive economic stances are not really very popular with the American people.....as every American is reminded of every time they go to the grocery store. They need to see Harris become inarticulate when pushed to reveal specifics rather than rely on vague pre-fab rhetorical flourishes.

And that is the problem, the three stooges on the moderation panel will never push her or allow Trump to ask her himself.

Dont need the moderators to do anything. Trump has a mic. Use it. Just keep asking Harris the question---"What does that mean? What specific policies are you suggesting? She always says so many words---but never actually says anything. I mean---if she has all these great problem solving policies---why aren't they doing those things RIGHT NOW? Why didnt the Biden-Harris Administration use all these mysterious problem solving ideas during the last 4 years to make America Great Again?"

He needs to push her past the prefab rehearsed answer---and when she wont go there---if he keeps pushing the issue---it makes it obvious she either wont or cant answer further. If he does that all night, it doesnt really matter why she doesnt answer more specifically. Her refusal to do so tells the voters either she doesnt really know the specifics---or worse yet---she knows the voters will move away from her if they hear the specifics prior to the election.

If Trump were capable, he could do a Christie-Rubio moment. Christie exposed Rubio for just repeating mindless talking points. Kamala is very prone to Rubio type moments. She seems to have nothing of substance to say.

Trump offered nothing… no plans, no specifics, nothing but lies & grievance.
His response on his healthcare plan, “I have concepts of a plan”, was completely representative of his entire performance. If there are people who were truly undecided going into last night’s debate, then he certainly helped make their decision for them.

(09-11-2024 08:11 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump offered nothing… no plans, no specifics, nothing but lies & grievance.
His response on his “healthcare” plan was completely representative of his entire performance. If there are people who were truly undecided going into last night’s debate, then he certainly helped make their decision for them.

So what did Harris offer?

Did she crystallize her policy plans? No.

Did she have planned talking points ahead of time that deviated from the question? Yes.