(02-16-2024 10:06 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: (02-15-2024 11:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote: (02-15-2024 11:56 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: As I am reading through the threads there is a common (but not overtly obvious).
Nobody in the Blue Aisle (or the anyone but Trump Aisle) seem willing to at the very least acknowledge that Biden is not the answer either.
Most here who put on the red underwear have acknowledged that Trump is an abrasive, arrogant douche` and would vote for another option if a viable one was offered.
Biden is fumbling and bumbling through each day and it is easy to see that the guy is deteriorating. He's 80 FFS... most people are. I cannot assert if Trump is fading or he just speaks poorly, but you can make a case for him starting to fade too.
Let's be honest here, the last 2 presidential elections were decided on voting against someone, not for someone.
Lets have an exercise .....
Instead of Not Trump or Not Biden (or Harris), who would you support on your side of the aisle. Who would you vote for?
Your opinion most of the 77 million voted against Biden instead of for Trump? Let me clue you in on something that you don't seem to get or understand.....
if that's truly the case not just most but almost ALL would be doing the same...voting against Biden. Because every name anyone throws out was getting around 20% of the republican vote at this point. So in your mind you some how think that makes it better?
I dont wear the red underwear because only a damn fool would think they are much different than democrats. But in my opinion not one name thrown out that wouldn't lose at the very least 8% of the black vote and at least 8% of the Hispanic vote that Trump has pulled from democrats.
You seem to be under the impression people other than true red republicans trust republicans. Just about everything that won the election for Trump in 2016 was former democrat ideals...
that is the reason he pulls the number of black and Hispanic votes and working class former democrats . They voted FOR Trump not for just any republican. At this point anyone other than Trump you can count 80% if not more gone...
or at best they are voting against Biden.
You really believe the names thrown out could gather enough votes that wanted to vote for than. It would be enough to win? Even with a brain dead Biden it wouldn't be close enough votes.
At this point more people would vote for this " abrasive, arrogant douche" than a lying, republican they can't or don't trust....to not be just like those that helped to get us at this point. It's laughable that anyone believes different.
Dude - relax. Did I offend you or something? I did not say everyone voted against.
That said far too many people voted against Hillary in 2016, as compared to voting FOR Trump. Certainly enough to swing the results - similarly the same thing in 2020 against Trump.
In 2020 all we are talking about is 6-10 million people. Not 150 million people.
My only real point was - instead of assailing the opponent, give me another option I am for the best person to run the country and that does not mean R or D. If Joe Manchin ran as a Dem - I would consider him and probably vote for him (for example).
Right now, today, I am voting against Joe (and even more so against Kamala) much more than I am voting for Trump.
Its a silly question because if you think those or as you said MOST who voted for Trump was voting against Biden or Hillary. Then how do you not believe any other republican would not be the same? Hell you have a few idiots that believe Nikki Haley could win if Trump just got out of the way....
these same idiots don't understand she lost to NONE OF THE ABOVE. Point being if they can't get over 20% of the republican vote vs Trump. Why would anyone think that person would not be as you said about Trump voting against Biden or the democrat that ran? You based this whole topic off someone else might be able to win because people would be voting FOR THEM not against someone else.
As to the bold....
that told me all I needed to know because when push came to shove the man you would vote for...followed the democrats and voted with them on a huge spending bill he repeated was against and said it was a big mistake for the country.
In the end 2020 wasn't won on voting against....it was mail in ballots. Also if the republican can't hold the gains in black, Hispanic, and blue collar democrats that voted FOR Trump....
that person has zero shot in the swing states
Let me also point out what is most likely the #1 person name that is being thrown out. Was well behind Trump in his own state that he is a well liked governor. Who got destroyed and had to dropout, most of that was on his own doing. By the time people voted he would be painted worse than Trump by the democrats and the media. Most likely having close to the same turnover voting AGAINST as Trump brings out. Without the ability to get the same turnout for those voting FOR that Trump brings.
so I will repeat why this topic is just silly....
EVERY person the republicans could run would be well behind...far far behind Trump in getting people to vote for them and not against the other person. Trump will most likely get the most number of democrats...voting against him. But that's only part of it. If you can't get your votes to the polls....you lost
Trump also draws voters to vote in large numbers...FOR HIM. You are sadly mistaken if you think Trump wins in 2016 if not for those voters that heard his message and turned out because of it. If not for mail in votes he's president today....
those that only vote against someone usually not going to the polls in high numbers when they have to make that effort to go to the polls and vote