(02-15-2024 11:56 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  As I am reading through the threads there is a common (but not overtly obvious).

Nobody in the Blue Aisle (or the anyone but Trump Aisle) seem willing to at the very least acknowledge that Biden is not the answer either.

Most here who put on the red underwear have acknowledged that Trump is an abrasive, arrogant douche` and would vote for another option if a viable one was offered.

Biden is fumbling and bumbling through each day and it is easy to see that the guy is deteriorating. He's 80 FFS... most people are. I cannot assert if Trump is fading or he just speaks poorly, but you can make a case for him starting to fade too.

Let's be honest here, the last 2 presidential elections were decided on voting against someone, not for someone.



Lets have an exercise .....

Instead of Not Trump or Not Biden (or Harris), who would you support on your side of the aisle. Who would you vote for?

Your opinion most of the 77 million voted against Biden instead of for Trump? Let me clue you in on something that you don't seem to get or understand.....

if that's truly the case not just most but almost ALL would be doing the same...voting against Biden. Because every name anyone throws out was getting around 20% of the republican vote at this point. So in your mind you some how think that makes it better?

I dont wear the red underwear because only a damn fool would think they are much different than democrats. But in my opinion not one name thrown out that wouldn't lose at the very least 8% of the black vote and at least 8% of the Hispanic vote that Trump has pulled from democrats.

You seem to be under the impression people other than true red republicans trust republicans. Just about everything that won the election for Trump in 2016 was former democrat ideals...

that is the reason he pulls the number of black and Hispanic votes and working class former democrats . They voted FOR Trump not for just any republican. At this point anyone other than Trump you can count 80% if not more gone...

or at best they are voting against Biden.

You really believe the names thrown out could gather enough votes that wanted to vote for than. It would be enough to win? Even with a brain dead Biden it wouldn't be close enough votes.

At this point more people would vote for this " abrasive, arrogant douche" than a lying, republican they can't or don't trust....to not be just like those that helped to get us at this point. It's laughable that anyone believes different.

(02-15-2024 12:04 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 12:00 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 11:56 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Lets have an exercise .....

Instead of Not Trump or Not Biden (or Harris), who would you support on your side of the aisle. Who would you vote for?

DeSantis, Youngkin, Ramaswamy, Scott maybe. The list gets thin after that.

I could accept any of those. My biggest concern with Ramaswamy is the foreign affairs positions.

I think he's sharp enough that the learning curve wouldn't be too steep. If I had to pick between him and DeSantis I'd be hard pressed to choose. If you held a gun to my head I guess I'd have to go with DeSantis who at least has some executive experience within government. It's hard to argue with the results he's had in Florida but I'm not sure that plays as well nationally.

I do think that Ramaswamy is intellectually superior to any of the rest.

(02-15-2024 03:42 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  If Trump wasn't on the ballot, whichever Republican was the nominee would be the worst person on the planet... a fascist, racist, homophobe who is going to put gays in labor camps and kill your grandma.

Exactly, the smears aren't tailor made for Trump. They are interchangeable, just plug in a name.

(02-15-2024 10:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Let's settle something up front. If Trump's the nominee there is no way in hell I'm voting for any of the Democrats. Therefore, Trump gets my vote.

Now to the OP, a good exercise which asks the wrong question. The right question is why in the hell are the two nominees going to be Trump and Biden?

Nobody wants to know the answer to that because the answer is bleak as hell, though the truth of it is obvious. Because some of the most self serving know nothing SOB's and Susie Q. Sorority Narcissists are all that is running against them. How could that be?
Easy! PAC money and corporate backing. What do the corporations want? They want government of the people, by the people and for the people to flat out fail! They want corporations to run Europe, China, and the United States and they hate those who will not capitulate to their Fascist view of the world, and their out of the bubble dipshit plans for all of us and how we should lead our lives.

That's why a Soap Opera star is fighting a former head of the KGB. One wants a corporate world, and the other doesn't.

Trump, the corporatist's scapegoat for everyone who doesn't want their agenda instilled by a brain-dead fool and his even more vapid VP, is the only obstacle in their way. You are supposed to give up all hope and accept the vision of Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, and Tim Cook! Hell by comparison do they not look like geniuses? And Klauss Schwab? He's a leftover kooky offspring of the Third Reich who dreams of a 4th Reich ushered in by the EU and led by Bonn.

I'll take Trump. He hates those bastards! I'm not voting for him because I like all of his actions and ideas. I'll vote for him because he's against the right people!!!

If you are disgusted by the prospect of corporate globalism, you have no other choice. The enemy isn't Putin, or those who supported Brexit, or even the third world terrorists. Your enemy, my enemy, our enemy are those who fund every disgusting thing assaulting us in an effort to make us give up. They have ruined our elections with PAC money which places their lackies in many positions in both parties and then makes a mockery of our form of government.

I don't give a damn what Trump is. I only care about what he is not!

(02-15-2024 10:45 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 04:07 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  A lot of people actually voted FOR Trump, myself included.

I did and will again. I’m very fond of cheaper gas and groceries, less illegal aliens, and lower taxes.


But that’s just me

Weirdo.

(02-16-2024 08:17 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 03:42 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  If Trump wasn't on the ballot, whichever Republican was the nominee would be the worst person on the planet... a fascist, racist, homophobe who is going to put gays in labor camps and kill your grandma.

Exactly, the smears aren't tailor made for Trump. They are interchangeable, just plug in a name.

Basically.. At least Trump didn't eulogize and was mentored by a former Klansman...

(02-15-2024 10:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 10:46 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 04:09 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Trump would be Emperor of the Free Southern States?

A big wall keeping filth out would be being built.


How far you want ke to go with this?

This seems like a good idea. Wall off the south. We can let the Midwest join too I guess. Kick out all the trash Dems. Let’s do this!!

This won't happen without conflict. The very existence of a free thinking meritocracy would be impossible for the left in the North and West to accept. To even have a chance at success the military would have to split as well. And that means equipment and weapons, aircraft, ships, subs, tanks, etc.

If you really think this is possible raise your hand. Logistically it is not. Now having a Southern block of states who align themselves with the Southwest and Midwest to essentially agree on law enforcement for the region is initially possible. Be prepared for Federal money to be cut off. It would hurt, but it would also help. Don't take their money and you don't have to put up with their BS either!

Find an honest administrator who won't take their money. I dare you.

FTR, I agree with every word you typed.

(02-16-2024 08:20 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 08:17 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 03:42 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  If Trump wasn't on the ballot, whichever Republican was the nominee would be the worst person on the planet... a fascist, racist, homophobe who is going to put gays in labor camps and kill your grandma.

Exactly, the smears aren't tailor made for Trump. They are interchangeable, just plug in a name.

Basically.. At least Trump didn't eulogize and was mentored by a former Klansman...

Nor did he sit adoringly at the feet of Saul Alinsky or Frank Marshall Davis.

(02-15-2024 10:45 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 04:07 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  A lot of people actually voted FOR Trump, myself included.

I did and will again. I’m very fond of cheaper gas and groceries, less illegal aliens, and lower taxes.
But that’s just me

Also, entertaining tweets...

(02-16-2024 08:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 08:20 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-16-2024 08:17 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 03:42 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  If Trump wasn't on the ballot, whichever Republican was the nominee would be the worst person on the planet... a fascist, racist, homophobe who is going to put gays in labor camps and kill your grandma.

Exactly, the smears aren't tailor made for Trump. They are interchangeable, just plug in a name.

Basically.. At least Trump didn't eulogize and was mentored by a former Klansman...

Nor did he sit adoringly at the feet of Saul Alinsky or Frank Marshall Davis.

Biden did this and is now POTUS. Trent Lott praised Strom Thurmond and was basically shamed out of the Senate by the Dems...

(02-15-2024 11:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 11:56 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  As I am reading through the threads there is a common (but not overtly obvious).

Nobody in the Blue Aisle (or the anyone but Trump Aisle) seem willing to at the very least acknowledge that Biden is not the answer either.

Most here who put on the red underwear have acknowledged that Trump is an abrasive, arrogant douche` and would vote for another option if a viable one was offered.

Biden is fumbling and bumbling through each day and it is easy to see that the guy is deteriorating. He's 80 FFS... most people are. I cannot assert if Trump is fading or he just speaks poorly, but you can make a case for him starting to fade too.

Let's be honest here, the last 2 presidential elections were decided on voting against someone, not for someone.



Lets have an exercise .....

Instead of Not Trump or Not Biden (or Harris), who would you support on your side of the aisle. Who would you vote for?

Your opinion most of the 77 million voted against Biden instead of for Trump? Let me clue you in on something that you don't seem to get or understand.....

if that's truly the case not just most but almost ALL would be doing the same...voting against Biden. Because every name anyone throws out was getting around 20% of the republican vote at this point. So in your mind you some how think that makes it better?

I dont wear the red underwear because only a damn fool would think they are much different than democrats. But in my opinion not one name thrown out that wouldn't lose at the very least 8% of the black vote and at least 8% of the Hispanic vote that Trump has pulled from democrats.

You seem to be under the impression people other than true red republicans trust republicans. Just about everything that won the election for Trump in 2016 was former democrat ideals...

that is the reason he pulls the number of black and Hispanic votes and working class former democrats . They voted FOR Trump not for just any republican. At this point anyone other than Trump you can count 80% if not more gone...

or at best they are voting against Biden.

You really believe the names thrown out could gather enough votes that wanted to vote for than. It would be enough to win? Even with a brain dead Biden it wouldn't be close enough votes.

At this point more people would vote for this " abrasive, arrogant douche" than a lying, republican they can't or don't trust....to not be just like those that helped to get us at this point. It's laughable that anyone believes different.

Dude - relax. Did I offend you or something? I did not say everyone voted against.

That said far too many people voted against Hillary in 2016, as compared to voting FOR Trump. Certainly enough to swing the results - similarly the same thing in 2020 against Trump.

In 2020 all we are talking about is 6-10 million people. Not 150 million people.


My only real point was - instead of assailing the opponent, give me another option I am for the best person to run the country and that does not mean R or D. If Joe Manchin ran as a Dem - I would consider him and probably vote for him (for example).

Right now, today, I am voting against Joe (and even more so against Kamala) much more than I am voting for Trump.

(02-15-2024 04:07 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  A lot of people actually voted FOR Trump, myself included.

That being said, one of the names I thought of was Ben Carson. There's no way he could win the general, but was kind of hoping he'd run this year anyways. Must still be tied to Trump........

I like Ramaswamy. I would like to see DJT pick him as his running mate.

(02-18-2024 03:33 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I like Ramaswamy. I would like to see DJT pick him as his running mate.

Yeah, I like him too. He brings solid analysis to the table. I could see him as Secretary of State. I think Trump needs to bring in De Santis or someone from a key large state he needs to win in order to clinch.

I'd put Abbots name out there but I want him here doing what he's doing. I hope that he doesn't get picked by Trump otherwise the Media would truly go bonkers..."the sky is falling" type of Bull Schiff.

I would vote for and support Ted Cruz (if he were running), just like I did leading up to the Republican National Convention in 2016. A lot of Trump's positions that he ultimately ran on and implemented were taken from (or at least shared with) Ted Cruz.

If not Cruz, then probably DeSantis, I guess. *shrugs*

(02-18-2024 03:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-18-2024 03:33 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I like Ramaswamy. I would like to see DJT pick him as his running mate.

Yeah, I like him too. He brings solid analysis to the table. I could see him as Secretary of State. I think Trump needs to bring in De Santis or someone from a key large state he needs to win in order to clinch.

When I wrote that I was thinking what about Ron Johnson from Wisconsin. For the reasons you mentioned. It does make sense. Vivek might be more valuable as Secretary of State, Treasury or even Commerce.

Johnson could help get Wisconsin into the Red column.

Trump will get taken out before entering the Oval Office and Biden before the election. We the people don’t get a vote anymore if you haven’t figured that out yet.

(02-16-2024 10:06 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 11:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 11:56 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  As I am reading through the threads there is a common (but not overtly obvious).

Nobody in the Blue Aisle (or the anyone but Trump Aisle) seem willing to at the very least acknowledge that Biden is not the answer either.

Most here who put on the red underwear have acknowledged that Trump is an abrasive, arrogant douche` and would vote for another option if a viable one was offered.

Biden is fumbling and bumbling through each day and it is easy to see that the guy is deteriorating. He's 80 FFS... most people are. I cannot assert if Trump is fading or he just speaks poorly, but you can make a case for him starting to fade too.

Let's be honest here, the last 2 presidential elections were decided on voting against someone, not for someone.



Lets have an exercise .....

Instead of Not Trump or Not Biden (or Harris), who would you support on your side of the aisle. Who would you vote for?

Your opinion most of the 77 million voted against Biden instead of for Trump? Let me clue you in on something that you don't seem to get or understand.....

if that's truly the case not just most but almost ALL would be doing the same...voting against Biden. Because every name anyone throws out was getting around 20% of the republican vote at this point. So in your mind you some how think that makes it better?

I dont wear the red underwear because only a damn fool would think they are much different than democrats. But in my opinion not one name thrown out that wouldn't lose at the very least 8% of the black vote and at least 8% of the Hispanic vote that Trump has pulled from democrats.

You seem to be under the impression people other than true red republicans trust republicans. Just about everything that won the election for Trump in 2016 was former democrat ideals...

that is the reason he pulls the number of black and Hispanic votes and working class former democrats . They voted FOR Trump not for just any republican. At this point anyone other than Trump you can count 80% if not more gone...

or at best they are voting against Biden.

You really believe the names thrown out could gather enough votes that wanted to vote for than. It would be enough to win? Even with a brain dead Biden it wouldn't be close enough votes.

At this point more people would vote for this " abrasive, arrogant douche" than a lying, republican they can't or don't trust....to not be just like those that helped to get us at this point. It's laughable that anyone believes different.

Dude - relax. Did I offend you or something? I did not say everyone voted against.

That said far too many people voted against Hillary in 2016, as compared to voting FOR Trump. Certainly enough to swing the results - similarly the same thing in 2020 against Trump.

In 2020 all we are talking about is 6-10 million people. Not 150 million people.


My only real point was - instead of assailing the opponent, give me another option I am for the best person to run the country and that does not mean R or D. If Joe Manchin ran as a Dem - I would consider him and probably vote for him (for example).

Right now, today, I am voting against Joe (and even more so against Kamala) much more than I am voting for Trump.

Its a silly question because if you think those or as you said MOST who voted for Trump was voting against Biden or Hillary. Then how do you not believe any other republican would not be the same? Hell you have a few idiots that believe Nikki Haley could win if Trump just got out of the way....

these same idiots don't understand she lost to NONE OF THE ABOVE. Point being if they can't get over 20% of the republican vote vs Trump. Why would anyone think that person would not be as you said about Trump voting against Biden or the democrat that ran? You based this whole topic off someone else might be able to win because people would be voting FOR THEM not against someone else.

As to the bold....

that told me all I needed to know because when push came to shove the man you would vote for...followed the democrats and voted with them on a huge spending bill he repeated was against and said it was a big mistake for the country.

In the end 2020 wasn't won on voting against....it was mail in ballots. Also if the republican can't hold the gains in black, Hispanic, and blue collar democrats that voted FOR Trump....

that person has zero shot in the swing states

Let me also point out what is most likely the #1 person name that is being thrown out. Was well behind Trump in his own state that he is a well liked governor. Who got destroyed and had to dropout, most of that was on his own doing. By the time people voted he would be painted worse than Trump by the democrats and the media. Most likely having close to the same turnover voting AGAINST as Trump brings out. Without the ability to get the same turnout for those voting FOR that Trump brings.

so I will repeat why this topic is just silly....

EVERY person the republicans could run would be well behind...far far behind Trump in getting people to vote for them and not against the other person. Trump will most likely get the most number of democrats...voting against him. But that's only part of it. If you can't get your votes to the polls....you lost


Trump also draws voters to vote in large numbers...FOR HIM. You are sadly mistaken if you think Trump wins in 2016 if not for those voters that heard his message and turned out because of it. If not for mail in votes he's president today....

those that only vote against someone usually not going to the polls in high numbers when they have to make that effort to go to the polls and vote

I would vote for the candidate who can handle the biggest flamethrower for 4 years. I want someone to come and burn DC to the ground. I say flamethrower because a tactical nuke may be frowned upon.