(10-31-2023 09:12 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  If this "repurposed" statue is anywhere around the RVA area, I'll make sure to drink heavily prior and bring my Corgi to piss all over it. Inclusivity is nothing more than favoritism to those groups deemed protected. Sorry, not playing.

Just like diversity is a code word for...well...you know...

(10-31-2023 12:07 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-31-2023 10:41 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(10-31-2023 10:24 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(10-31-2023 09:12 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 02:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  You're not getting your stories straight. W it. The "War of Northern Aggression," better known as "The War Between the States," was because the North didn't believe they had the right to secede and never recognized that secession.

This is truly how most from the South saw it. They thought they were going to lose everything they had worked for. The vast majority that fought for the South were NOT SLAVE OWNERS. Overwhelmingly NOT.

That is what this war was called in the day. The War Between The States.

Lincoln wasn’t an Abolitionist. He wanted to remove Blacks from the US after the war. He didn’t believe there could be harmony between whites and blacks. You could argue that to some extent he was right. It has been a long hard road that many think is far from being over.

Lincoln brought Slavery to forefront after the War had been going on for a couple of years. Yet kids are taught it was fought over slavery. This war was fought over MONEY and STATES RIGHTS. Slavery became a rally cry late in the war.

You also have to remember they weren’t that far removed from the war of 1812 so they also knew that their freedoms and rights could taken away.

JMHO I don’t think you can paint the broad brush Bear Catlett wants to paint. Trust me those people in the 1860’s were way more self sufficient than we are today. Any of them could have worked circles around us. If they didn’t work they didn’t eat. That has gotten lost over time in America.

Glad the Union was preserved and slavery ended.

Just like Fletcher told Wales. The War is over. Let it RIP

I cannot fathom how many good men we lost in that war.

The overwhelmingly vast majority of the people out there voting for and fighting for abortion have never had an abortion.

Doesn't mean they're right.

You have an over simplistic view of why men fought in this war.

In other words, if I were to tell you they are coming to take everything you have worked a lifetime for away then are you good with that? You and your family can figure out what you can do next. You are no longer going to have any rights.

That is exactly how it was explained to me by my grandfather who was told that by his grandfather. This is what people believed.

My family wasn't plantation owners. Mostly share croppers, hunters, and trappers.

For the vast majority of the southerners in 1860, nothing would have changed in reality if they never seceded. They didn't own slaves, practiced subsistence farming combined with hunting, fishing and maybe some domesticated farm animals for food. Trapping was their likely source of currency, but even there most of their transactions were likely from bartering.

Rich southern land owners first had their state legislatures secede and later manipulated regular folk to protect them under the guise of north going to ruin their lives.

You nailed it. There was no national media to offer an alternative view. The commoners in the South were fed exactly what I was told. Us vs. them mentality.

It’s ludicrous to believe commoners would lay down their lives for Wealthy Plantation Owners to maintain their status. It wouldn’t have happened then nor would it today.

A side note Sam Houston vehemently opposed Texas seceding. He died during the war never knowing the outcome.

(10-31-2023 09:12 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  If this "repurposed" statue is anywhere around the RVA area, I'll make sure to drink heavily prior and bring my Corgi to piss all over it. Inclusivity is nothing more than favoritism to those groups deemed protected. Sorry, not playing.

I think all the monuments taken down off of Monument Ave are stored near the water treatment plant off of 95. My guess is they are just laying in a field somewhere near there. Millions well spent. /s

Love the fact that people and groups are still raising Confederate flags and statues on highly visible private property so that local governments can’t touch them. Hopefully anyone trying to vandalize this private property suffers from acute lead poison