(10-18-2023 12:20 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  You ding me rep because you're the post police now?

Nah, he's just a pathetic ******* baby.

(10-18-2023 12:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I'm worried about the base that thinks this is good.

How anyone can find good in this mess is concerning and possibly explains much.

lol---Oh NOW your worried about the base. This my friend is what happens when you ignore the base. Its amazing to me how many people think that could just go on forever.

"The base" isnt stopping the Republicans from electing a Speaker. What you have a is a small group of so called "reasonable moderates" that are proving they are neither reasonable or moderate. At this point, I could care less who gets elect Speaker as this current crop of Republicans is incapable of accomplishing anything of note before 2024. At some point, we will get a Speaker---but its becoming clear it wont matter because too many so-called Republicans are perfectly willing to give the Democrats whatever they want. At least now we know exactly who they are.

And on it goes...

Quote:Following his second loss, Jordan said he is not going to be dropping his nomination for speaker.

"We picked up some today, a couple dropped off, but they voted for me before I think they can come back again. So we'll keep talking to members and keep working on it," Jordan said.

Jordan also said he still believes he is the one person who can bring House Republicans together.

He said he is not yet sure when the next vote will be.

Quote:Rep. Steve Womack, R-Ark., who voted for Scalise instead of Jordan yesterday and today, said the House needs “a little divine intervention right now.”

Asked what the consequences are for the House being unable to function without a speaker, Womack said the chamber has ceded its “ability to do what we need to be doing to others, to the Senate to the White House.”

“This House needs a little help, needs a little divine intervention right now,” he said.

Womack also defended Jordan defectors such as Rep. Jake Ellzey of Texas, who voted Rep. Mike Garcia, R-Calif., for speaker twice thus far.

“When you’re attacking those kinds of people that just simply will not work,” Womack said, adding: “So think of the distinction between being opposed to somebody because you want something, and being opposed to somebody because you are a principled conservative.”

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(10-18-2023 12:43 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  And on it goes...

Quote:Following his second loss, Jordan said he is not going to be dropping his nomination for speaker.

"We picked up some today, a couple dropped off, but they voted for me before I think they can come back again. So we'll keep talking to members and keep working on it," Jordan said.

Jordan also said he still believes he is the one person who can bring House Republicans together.

He said he is not yet sure when the next vote will be.

Quote:Rep. Steve Womack, R-Ark., who voted for Scalise instead of Jordan yesterday and today, said the House needs “a little divine intervention right now.”

Asked what the consequences are for the House being unable to function without a speaker, Womack said the chamber has ceded its “ability to do what we need to be doing to others, to the Senate to the White House.”

“This House needs a little help, needs a little divine intervention right now,” he said.

Womack also defended Jordan defectors such as Rep. Jake Ellzey of Texas, who voted Rep. Mike Garcia, R-Calif., for speaker twice thus far.

“When you’re attacking those kinds of people that just simply will not work,” Womack said, adding: “So think of the distinction between being opposed to somebody because you want something, and being opposed to somebody because you are a principled conservative.”

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lol---when you have somebody against Jordan because they are a "principled conservative" then we really no longer have a Party. It appears the GOP is just a fund raising mechanism with no underlying belief system. Seems to me thats the real issue.

Scalise should have never been nominated. He is actively taking cancer treatment.

(10-18-2023 12:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 12:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I'm worried about the base that thinks this is good.

How anyone can find good in this mess is concerning and possibly explains much.

lol---Oh NOW your worried about the base. This my friend is what happens when you ignore the base. Its amazing to me how many people think that could just go on forever.

"The base" isnt stopping the Republicans from electing a Speaker. What you have a is a small group of so called "reasonable moderates" that are proving they are neither reasonable or moderate. At this point, I could care less who gets elect Speaker as this current crop of Republicans is incapable of accomplishing anything of note before 2024. At some point, we will get a Speaker---but its becoming clear it wont matter because too many so-called Republicans are perfectly willing to give the Democrats whatever they want.

The "base" IS moderately conservative, not the far right.

I don't know how y'all cheer on Gaetz and condemn people who don't give a minority their way. Its really hilarious.

I thought Jordan would eventually get those people, but its clear he's not good speaker material. The 3 New Yorkers voted against him again. Those 3 were pretty easy to flip. Just don't stand in the way of the funding for the 911 victims. But he couldn't. He lost 4 votes and only gained 2 (plus someone who was absent). So instead of 200 for and 20 other, its 199 for and 22 other.

(10-18-2023 12:19 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  They weren't protest votes after all. He actually lost votes. Some of us said that this was a stupid idea to begin with for this reason and were told we were the one's being silly.

Now the narrative will shift to how the destruction of the only thing even slightly standing in the way of the dems is a good thing. Republicans didn't even do anything anyway so giving the dems everything isn't any different from what we were getting. Load of BS, but a lot of people will eat it.

This is kind of like killing Obamacare. Besides the fact that they failed to do it, they had no idea what they would do if they succeeded.

(10-18-2023 12:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  lol---when you have somebody against Jordan because they are a "principled conservative" then we really no longer have a Party. It appears the GOP is just a fund raising mechanism with no underlying belief system.

I think it shows the division and dysfunction within the GOP. They had a slim majority and an elected speaker in place prior to this Game of Thrones action on the part of a few. Now, we have open in-fighting and finger pointing that the DEMS have to be sitting back thinking this is the gift that keeps on giving. Several on here posted that this would get resolved quickly and this is nothing more than a blip on the political radar screen. Well, there's still no resolution or plan. I'm sure Gaetz and his band can't provide one either.

‘coog, wtf does “principled conservative” insinuate?!? … double hooks is about as right of center as it gets in today’s version … so, “okay, thanks?!” … it sounds like ol’ boy from arky needs to change parties…

fwiw, I’be been with your take(s) on this as it’s playing out … I just don’t have the will to follow this as closely as you harder core fellers…

(10-18-2023 01:02 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 12:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  lol---when you have somebody against Jordan because they are a "principled conservative" then we really no longer have a Party. It appears the GOP is just a fund raising mechanism with no underlying belief system.

I think it shows the division and dysfunction within the GOP. They had a slim majority and an elected speaker in place prior to this Game of Thrones action on the part of a few. Now, we have open in-fighting and finger pointing that the DEMS have to be sitting back thinking this is the gift that keeps on giving. Several on here posted that this would get resolved quickly and this is nothing more than a blip on the political radar screen. Well, there's still no resolution or plan. I'm sure Gaetz and his band can't provide one either.

which is why it shouldn’t see a floor vote until the ding dongs tire of beating dead horses … this is where they look stupid…

(10-18-2023 01:07 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 01:02 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 12:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  lol---when you have somebody against Jordan because they are a "principled conservative" then we really no longer have a Party. It appears the GOP is just a fund raising mechanism with no underlying belief system.

I think it shows the division and dysfunction within the GOP. They had a slim majority and an elected speaker in place prior to this Game of Thrones action on the part of a few. Now, we have open in-fighting and finger pointing that the DEMS have to be sitting back thinking this is the gift that keeps on giving. Several on here posted that this would get resolved quickly and this is nothing more than a blip on the political radar screen. Well, there's still no resolution or plan. I'm sure Gaetz and his band can't provide one either.

which is why it shouldn’t see a floor vote until the ding dongs tire of beating dead horses … this is where they look stupid…

Ding ding ding

After 800-plus posts, I have a nagging sense that I am supposed to feel upset by this embarrassing mess. I don't, and presume it is because I am overlooking something awful that will befall our nation as a result of the Republican House members looking like the fools that we all knew them to be.

I don't see anything good about this situation. But I am having trouble seeing much bad about it either. What am I missing?

(10-18-2023 01:13 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  After 800-plus posts, I have a nagging sense that I am supposed to feel upset by this embarrassing mess. I don't, and presume it is because I am overlooking something awful that will befall our nation as a result of the Republican House members looking like the fools that we all knew them to be.
I don't see anything good about this situation. But I am having trouble seeing much bad about it either. What am I missing?

The bad is the lack of a policy agenda or competent leadership in the republican party for the last 20 years or so. This is just the inevitable end result of that.

(10-18-2023 12:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 12:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 12:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I'm worried about the base that thinks this is good.

How anyone can find good in this mess is concerning and possibly explains much.

lol---Oh NOW your worried about the base. This my friend is what happens when you ignore the base. Its amazing to me how many people think that could just go on forever.

"The base" isnt stopping the Republicans from electing a Speaker. What you have a is a small group of so called "reasonable moderates" that are proving they are neither reasonable or moderate. At this point, I could care less who gets elect Speaker as this current crop of Republicans is incapable of accomplishing anything of note before 2024. At some point, we will get a Speaker---but its becoming clear it wont matter because too many so-called Republicans are perfectly willing to give the Democrats whatever they want.

The "base" IS moderately conservative, not the far right.

I don't know how y'all cheer on Gaetz and condemn people who don't give a minority their way. Its really hilarious.

I thought Jordan would eventually get those people, but its clear he's not good speaker material. The 3 New Yorkers voted against him again. Those 3 were pretty easy to flip. Just don't stand in the way of the funding for the 911 victims. But he couldn't. He lost 4 votes and only gained 2 (plus someone who was absent). So instead of 200 for and 20 other, its 199 for and 22 other.

Isnt that EXACTLY what is happening now? The base IS MAGA---at least thats what 58% of the primary voters would seem to indicate. So---by all means---lets continue to ignore that 58% because its working really well to unite the party.

Look, the Republicans will eventually get pressured into electing a speaker---maybe its Jordan---maybe its someone else. I remain confident they will eventually elect a Republican Speaker. Ive just lost any optimism that this group of Republicans can pass anything the 58% will care about. At least if they have Jordan as Speaker----the goal will be something the base can rally behind rather than the "more of the same" Speaker McCarthy seemed intent on serving up.

(10-18-2023 01:13 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  After 800-plus posts, I have a nagging sense that I am supposed to feel upset by this embarrassing mess. I don't, and presume it is because I am overlooking something awful that will befall our nation as a result of the Republican House members looking like the fools that we all knew them to be.

I don't see anything good about this situation. But I am having trouble seeing much bad about it either. What am I missing?

If republicans can't get their crap together it gives dems plenty of actual hard hitting ammo to use against republicans in the next election. They won't even have to exaggerate/make stuff up like they usually do. It just makes it more likely for the dems to have all of congress and the presidency. Which of course is a disaster.

(10-18-2023 01:07 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 01:02 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 12:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  lol---when you have somebody against Jordan because they are a "principled conservative" then we really no longer have a Party. It appears the GOP is just a fund raising mechanism with no underlying belief system.

I think it shows the division and dysfunction within the GOP. They had a slim majority and an elected speaker in place prior to this Game of Thrones action on the part of a few. Now, we have open in-fighting and finger pointing that the DEMS have to be sitting back thinking this is the gift that keeps on giving. Several on here posted that this would get resolved quickly and this is nothing more than a blip on the political radar screen. Well, there's still no resolution or plan. I'm sure Gaetz and his band can't provide one either.

which is why it shouldn’t see a floor vote until the ding dongs tire of beating dead horses … this is where they look stupid…

Thats what I said from the start. Hash it out behind closed doors. Lock em in conference and dont come out till they have someone with 217 votes. If they are in there for 24 or 48 hours---so be it.

(10-18-2023 01:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Thats what I said from the start. Hash it out behind closed doors. Lock em in conference and dont come out till they have someone with 217 votes. If they are in there for 24 or 48 hours---so be it.

I thought they did that to get to Jordan? Then when they came out for the official vote a number of Republicans changed their vote.

(10-18-2023 01:34 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 01:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Thats what I said from the start. Hash it out behind closed doors. Lock em in conference and dont come out till they have someone with 217 votes. If they are in there for 24 or 48 hours---so be it.

I thought they did that to get to Jordan? Then when they came out for the official vote a number of Republicans changed their vote.

Politicians are a slimey bunch.

(10-18-2023 01:21 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 01:13 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  After 800-plus posts, I have a nagging sense that I am supposed to feel upset by this embarrassing mess. I don't, and presume it is because I am overlooking something awful that will befall our nation as a result of the Republican House members looking like the fools that we all knew them to be.
I don't see anything good about this situation. But I am having trouble seeing much bad about it either. What am I missing?

The bad is the lack of a policy agenda or competent leadership in the republican party for the last 20 years or so. This is just the inevitable end result of that.

That would be fine with me except for the one little nagging fact that the Dems ARE united, and are hell bent on turning the country into a one party system.

(10-18-2023 01:34 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 01:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Thats what I said from the start. Hash it out behind closed doors. Lock em in conference and dont come out till they have someone with 217 votes. If they are in there for 24 or 48 hours---so be it.

I thought they did that to get to Jordan? Then when they came out for the official vote a number of Republicans changed their vote.

No. He never had 217. He just had a majority of Republicans (I think he had 155 to start) and got it up to 200. The fly in the ointment is all the votes in conference are by secret ballot. The thinking was to take it to the floor in order to expose who the hold outs were---and then they could work on seeing specifically what they would need to change their votes. I get it---but I still prefer my lock'em in conference until someone has 217 idea.