No comment yet from the MWC so a best of the rest model remains an option.

Rank order however I'd put it low probablity.

1) WSU+OSU+MWC (14)
2) WSU+OSU+2AAC+MWC (16)
3) WSU+OSU+4AAC+4MWC

If they AAC schools don't want to expand west they probably don't want to move west either. Also the AAC group of 4 doesn't include SMU now. It would be UTSA, Rice, Memphis, Tulane. I'm not sure Memphis is quite as excited at this point for that.

Outside of UTSA in that list, I'm not sure any of them would be excited about moving west, and UTSA is probably just happy to be in an elevated G5 conference either way.

MWC adds WSU, OSU, and Gonzaga, and then that's it. No further realignment for a few years.

I just don't se any of the top American teams joining up with the PAC 2. The top American teams make a little less than 8 mil, so I would think that it would take around 15 mil and help on the exit fees to get any one of them to move. I don't see any TV partner signing on for 15 mil/year.

More than likely, the PAC-2 move to the MW, or the MW merge with them and keep the PAC name.

(09-01-2023 10:36 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Not going to happen, MWC is going to add WSU/OS, and clearly best of the G5.

For now, but there will be a reorganizing between the AAC and the SBC down the road that will eventually be stronger than the MWC.

Count on it.

(09-01-2023 11:02 AM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:36 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Not going to happen, MWC is going to add WSU/OS, and clearly best of the G5.

For now, but there will be a reorganizing between the AAC and the SBC down the road that will eventually be stronger than the MWC.

Count on it.

It's a battle of tallest midget tho. Totally pointless pissing contest.

(09-01-2023 11:06 AM)Eichorst Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:02 AM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:36 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Not going to happen, MWC is going to add WSU/OS, and clearly best of the G5.

For now, but there will be a reorganizing between the AAC and the SBC down the road that will eventually be stronger than the MWC.

Count on it.

It's a battle of tallest midget tho. Totally pointless pissing contest.

So everyone should just quit trying to better themselves? You're not good at this.

(09-01-2023 11:08 AM)surrealpirate Wrote:  So everyone should just quit trying to better themselves? You're not good at this.

If you're UTSA why does it matter if the AAC is 0.0001% better than the MWC?

(09-01-2023 10:57 AM)Eichorst Wrote:  Outside of UTSA in that list, I'm not sure any of them would be excited about moving west, and UTSA is probably just happy to be in an elevated G5 conference either way.

MWC adds WSU, OSU, and Gonzaga, and then that's it. No further realignment for a few years.

What about UTSA and Texas St?

SBC backfills with MT.

MAC signs WKU/FIU.

PAC 12:

Hawaii
San Diego State
UNLV
Nevada
Oregon State
Washington State
Boise State
Wyoming
Utah State
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico

(09-01-2023 11:09 AM)Eichorst Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:08 AM)surrealpirate Wrote:  So everyone should just quit trying to better themselves? You're not good at this.

If you're UTSA why does it matter if the AAC is 0.0001% better than the MWC?

Well if you take an extreme reductionist approach and boil down all the variables in play to a question that I would argue is not relevant, then yeah I can see how none of this makes sense to you. You're stripping out quite a bit of context, not to mention of the factors involved.

The bigger picture is that things are changing and consolidating quickly. It behooves everyone involved to continue to brainstorm, strategize and network to find the best situation for their school long term.

That doesn't mean you sacrifice everything just to improve yourself "0.0001%". But it does mean that you keep your options open, think outside the box, stay proactive, and do your best to set yourself up for the coming changes - because there will always be more coming.

Congrats on your school being in a P2 conference, but punching down isn't a good look.

Should votes in the MWC come up to either (a) remove the exit fee, or (b) dissolve,
and they were surprise agenda adds to me,
if I were Wyoming or USU or UNM,
I'd be very worried.

(09-01-2023 11:23 AM)surrealpirate Wrote:  Well if you take an extreme reductionist approach and boil down all the variables in play to a question that I would argue is not relevant, then yeah I can see how none of this makes sense to you. You're stripping out quite a bit of context, not to mention of the factors involved.

The bigger picture is that things are changing and consolidating quickly. It behooves everyone involved to continue to brainstorm, strategize and network to find the best situation for their school long term.

That doesn't mean you sacrifice everything just to improve yourself "0.0001%". But it does mean that you keep your options open, think outside the box, stay proactive, and do your best to set yourself up for the coming changes - because there will always be more coming.

Congrats on your school being in a P2 conference, but punching down isn't a good look.

I'm saying that the conference consolidation game is irrelevant to most of the G5 now, because even if you ascend to the Big XII or ACC, it'll only be because either of those conferences has already imploded, meaning you were only rowing in place.

G5 schools should worry less about realignment and more about just what's immediately in front of them.

(09-01-2023 11:30 AM)Eichorst Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:23 AM)surrealpirate Wrote:  Well if you take an extreme reductionist approach and boil down all the variables in play to a question that I would argue is not relevant, then yeah I can see how none of this makes sense to you. You're stripping out quite a bit of context, not to mention of the factors involved.

The bigger picture is that things are changing and consolidating quickly. It behooves everyone involved to continue to brainstorm, strategize and network to find the best situation for their school long term.

That doesn't mean you sacrifice everything just to improve yourself "0.0001%". But it does mean that you keep your options open, think outside the box, stay proactive, and do your best to set yourself up for the coming changes - because there will always be more coming.

Congrats on your school being in a P2 conference, but punching down isn't a good look.

I'm saying that the conference consolidation game is irrelevant to most of the G5 now, because even if you ascend to the Big XII or ACC, it'll only be because either of those conferences has already imploded, meaning you were only rowing in place.

G5 schools should worry less about realignment and more about just what's immediately in front of them.

I got that in your original post. What I'm saying is "The big game is already done. Give up trying to improve and instead just accept that it never gets better than what you have right now" isn't a compelling argument.

One can worry "more about just what's immediately in front of them" and also develop longer term strategies for growth while they are doing it.

In other words, the world isn't near as simple as you're framing it and we should expect folks to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

(09-01-2023 11:30 AM)Eichorst Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:23 AM)surrealpirate Wrote:  Well if you take an extreme reductionist approach and boil down all the variables in play to a question that I would argue is not relevant, then yeah I can see how none of this makes sense to you. You're stripping out quite a bit of context, not to mention of the factors involved.

The bigger picture is that things are changing and consolidating quickly. It behooves everyone involved to continue to brainstorm, strategize and network to find the best situation for their school long term.

That doesn't mean you sacrifice everything just to improve yourself "0.0001%". But it does mean that you keep your options open, think outside the box, stay proactive, and do your best to set yourself up for the coming changes - because there will always be more coming.

Congrats on your school being in a P2 conference, but punching down isn't a good look.

I'm saying that the conference consolidation game is irrelevant to most of the G5 now, because even if you ascend to the Big XII or ACC, it'll only be because either of those conferences has already imploded, meaning you were only rowing in place.

G5 schools should worry less about realignment and more about just what's immediately in front of them.

That's true, but rowing in place beats falling way behind where you were. See what happened to USM who got left in C-USA after both raids.

(09-01-2023 11:18 AM)andy98 Wrote:  PAC 12:

Hawaii
San Diego State
UNLV
Nevada
Oregon State
Washington State
Boise State
Wyoming
Utah State
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico

Leave out Fresno State and San Jose State? Why?

Fresno State has one of the better all-around athletic programs in the conference and is supported by a sizable fan base in the Central Valley. San Jose State provides a Bay Area presence and has improved in football recently.

(09-01-2023 11:42 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:18 AM)andy98 Wrote:  PAC 12:

Hawaii
San Diego State
UNLV
Nevada
Oregon State
Washington State
Boise State
Wyoming
Utah State
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico

Leave out Fresno State and San Jose State? Why?

Fresno State has one of the better all-around athletic programs in the conference and is supported by a sizable fan base in the Central Valley. San Jose State provides a Bay Area presence and has improved in football recently.

USU, UWyo, or UNM would be left out long before Fresno State or SJSU.

P2 is on the clock now they should be the next move.

1) WSU/OSU don't have a home to play FB in 2024.
2) WSU/OSU have already talked with the MWC.

The biggest wild card I think is whether or not the MWC goes 14 or 16 with a few AAC schools. Two more AACs leaving could destabilize their TV contract completely.

I think we'll know on this one by the end of the month.

Thamel said on sports center, that OSU, WSU have broken off talks with the AAC. They'll figure out how many NCAA credits they'll get and likely join the MWC

Dissolving the MWC and joining the Pac-TWO makes no sense.

Even if you vote your way around the exit fees, those left behind are going to say "you voted away exit fees for the purpose of screwing us" and become litigious. You'll need to cut a deal with them anyway. And the whole reason you didn't want the WHOLE MWC joining the new Pac-12 was because Stanford was too elitist to associate with every member of the MWC.

Dynamic totally changes when it's Oregon State, Washington State and their intellectual property and legacy revenues.

The Pac-2 needs what the MWC has: Good leadership, fiscally responsible HQ, TV contract, TV partners, and a group of partners in double-digits.
The MWC needs/wants what the Pac-2 have: P5 status, seat at the CFP negotiation table, P5 level NCAA revenue.

Full legal/business merger, rename the MWC the Pac-14 and you have the most assets and revenue going forward.

(09-01-2023 11:27 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  Should votes in the MWC come up to either (a) remove the exit fee, or (b) dissolve,
and they were surprise agenda adds to me,
if I were Wyoming or USU or UNM,
I'd be very worried.

Everyone saw what happened to SDSU...

I think you're spot on.

It sounds like the better move is to kill the MWC, to prevent the various fees.