(09-01-2023 07:58 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 07:48 AM)tigergatorcyclone Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 07:35 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  LOL cry more.

ECU isn’t trying to move anywhere?

They don't have anywhere to go. It's Greenville, NC.

Settle down Boonie. Greenville definitely isn't lighting the world on fire (but making modest improvements) and Boone is a beautiful small town, but when it comes to realignment neither are the hot chick in the room.

...so, why not a FULL merger of AAC/MWC +OSU/WSU? ESPN and CBS can somehow go 50-50 on the overall media deal (yeah, easier said than done, but... just riffing here)... wouldn't that be the undisputed 'best of the rest' conference?

...the bigger picture is that the POWERS THAT BE will push this 'mega-G-conference', as they are all for G5 'contraction via expansion' - kills off another G5 donference, thus one less conference to bellyache about wanting a spot at the table... ESPN, CBS, Fox would all be on board with that, right?

(09-01-2023 07:53 AM)b2b Wrote:  ...Neither of us have options...

Yes you do. We'll leave the light on for y'all.

(09-01-2023 08:34 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 08:08 AM)Surbadger Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 07:56 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 07:48 AM)tigergatorcyclone Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 07:35 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  LOL cry more.

ECU isn’t trying to move anywhere?

There's nowhere to move. Even the WSU president basically admitted the only hopes on rebuilding the PAC required keeping CalFord around. That's over, and I'll be damned even if offered if I'd want ECU to pay in the 20 million+ range of exit fees to join OSU/WSU plus some random collection of other G5 schools. I'd take the SMU deal to join the ACC if that existed, obviously it doesn't.

SBC right now

After they left us in CUSA with a bunch of schools we had no connection with for 10 years. Maybe it's their turn to spend 10 years with those same schools.

A little bit of sufferings playing FAU, UNT, Rice, and CHARLOTTE might do them some good.

(09-01-2023 09:30 AM)surrealpirate Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 07:58 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 07:48 AM)tigergatorcyclone Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 07:35 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  LOL cry more.

ECU isn’t trying to move anywhere?

They don't have anywhere to go. It's Greenville, NC.

Settle down Boonie. Greenville definitely isn't lighting the world on fire (but making modest improvements) and Boone is a beautiful small town, but when it comes to realignment neither are the hot chick in the room.

The difference is that App is perfectly content in the SBC. If you would've asked an App fan 10 years ago to draw up their "dream" G5 conference, it would be very close to what the SBC East is now.

Can ECU fans say the same? If they were asked to draw up their "dream" conference 10 years ago, would it include UNCC and FAU?

Its a chance to start over for some schools.
The 4 mentioned AAC schools if they are desperate to get away from the recently added six.
SDSU already offered to pay 17 million exit fee pay the other 14 for them.
Gonzaga could easily join for olympics.
Hawaii full membership with a guarantee their new stadium gets built.

From there 8 full members you pick the most P5 like schools.
So Temple , Nevada , New Mexico , U Conn and U Mass types.

So what is the minimum number of votes to dissolve the MWC? The PAC only needs to invite that minimum number versus taking all 12 from the MWC. That way those leaving can vote to dissolve the conference and avoid exit fees. As others have stated they may be able to rework that current MWC TV deal under the new PAC banner. If it's 9 votes needed to dissolve the MWC then the PAC should only take 9 teams (maybe 10) for an even 12 total. Trying to pull 4 from MWC and 4-6 from AAC is a non-starter due to all the exit fees involved. So I only see two scenarios, OSU+WSU invite minimum number needed to dissolve the MWC and eliminate their exit fees, or OSU+WSU join the MWC. Those two joining AAC makes no sense due to travel without P5 money to offset additional travel.

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(09-01-2023 09:47 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 09:30 AM)surrealpirate Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 07:58 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 07:48 AM)tigergatorcyclone Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 07:35 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  LOL cry more.

ECU isn’t trying to move anywhere?

They don't have anywhere to go. It's Greenville, NC.

Settle down Boonie. Greenville definitely isn't lighting the world on fire (but making modest improvements) and Boone is a beautiful small town, but when it comes to realignment neither are the hot chick in the room.

The difference is that App is perfectly content in the SBC. If you would've asked an App fan 10 years ago to draw up their "dream" G5 conference, it would be very close to what the SBC East is now.

Can ECU fans say the same? If they were asked to draw up their "dream" conference 10 years ago, would it include UNCC and FAU?

Of course not, but it wouldn't have included anyone who resides in the Sun-Belt either. ECU fans being unhappy about their conference is just the normal state of things.

(09-01-2023 09:55 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  So what is the minimum number of votes to dissolve the MWC? The PAC only needs to invite that minimum number versus taking all 12 from the MWC. That way those leaving can vote to dissolve the conference and avoid exit fees. As others have stated they may be able to rework that current MWC TV deal under the new PAC banner. If it's 9 votes needed to dissolve the MWC then the PAC should only take 9 teams (maybe 10) for an even 12 total. Trying to pull 4 from MWC and 4-6 from AAC is a non-starter due to all the exit fees involved. So I only see two scenarios, OSU+WSU invite minimum number needed to dissolve the MWC and eliminate their exit fees, or OSU+WSU join the MWC. Those two joining AAC makes no sense due to travel without P5 money to offset additional travel.

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I don't get the idea of needing to dissolve the MWC. All they really need to do is have the schools that they want vote to remove the exit fees. The MWC has some dead weight that doesn't need to go to the PAC. Once they remove the fees, those schools go to the PAC and the remaining MWC now need to find new schools to keep the conference afloat.

(09-01-2023 09:08 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 08:19 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 07:56 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 07:48 AM)tigergatorcyclone Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 07:35 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  LOL cry more.

ECU isn’t trying to move anywhere?

There's nowhere to move. Even the WSU president basically admitted the only hopes on rebuilding the PAC required keeping CalFord around. That's over, and I'll be damned even if offered if I'd want ECU to pay in the 20 million+ range of exit fees to join OSU/WSU plus some random collection of other G5 schools. I'd take the SMU deal to join the ACC if that existed, obviously it doesn't.

Our best hope for the future is joining the haggard remains of the ACC at some point over the next decade.

That ACC will likely include Stanford, Cal, SMU, Wake Forest, Boston College, Georgia Tech and maybe Duke. That’s the bones of the Magnolia Conference.

And that is something that both Stanford and Cal knew when they applied to join the current ACC.

If you wanted to get really crazy the 12 MWC schools accept the invite the the new PAC and sell their Conference shell to the UAC who then can upgrade to Fbs

It's over. Options for Washington State and Oregon State are:

1. Join AAC.
2. Merge with MWC (maybe call the new conference the Pac-14).

And those are the only options, or at least, the least bad options out there.

(09-01-2023 10:01 AM)NDSUguy Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 09:55 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  So what is the minimum number of votes to dissolve the MWC? The PAC only needs to invite that minimum number versus taking all 12 from the MWC. That way those leaving can vote to dissolve the conference and avoid exit fees. As others have stated they may be able to rework that current MWC TV deal under the new PAC banner. If it's 9 votes needed to dissolve the MWC then the PAC should only take 9 teams (maybe 10) for an even 12 total. Trying to pull 4 from MWC and 4-6 from AAC is a non-starter due to all the exit fees involved. So I only see two scenarios, OSU+WSU invite minimum number needed to dissolve the MWC and eliminate their exit fees, or OSU+WSU join the MWC. Those two joining AAC makes no sense due to travel without P5 money to offset additional travel.

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I don't get the idea of needing to dissolve the MWC. All they really need to do is have the schools that they want vote to remove the exit fees. The MWC has some dead weight that doesn't need to go to the PAC. Once they remove the fees, those schools go to the PAC and the remaining MWC now need to find new schools to keep the conference afloat.

Would that still be 9 votes needed? Three schoools remaining in the MWC may have a difficult time rebuilding with the scarcity of fbs ready and willing schools out west and a collapsed tv contract.

(09-01-2023 10:07 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:01 AM)NDSUguy Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 09:55 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  So what is the minimum number of votes to dissolve the MWC? The PAC only needs to invite that minimum number versus taking all 12 from the MWC. That way those leaving can vote to dissolve the conference and avoid exit fees. As others have stated they may be able to rework that current MWC TV deal under the new PAC banner. If it's 9 votes needed to dissolve the MWC then the PAC should only take 9 teams (maybe 10) for an even 12 total. Trying to pull 4 from MWC and 4-6 from AAC is a non-starter due to all the exit fees involved. So I only see two scenarios, OSU+WSU invite minimum number needed to dissolve the MWC and eliminate their exit fees, or OSU+WSU join the MWC. Those two joining AAC makes no sense due to travel without P5 money to offset additional travel.

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I don't get the idea of needing to dissolve the MWC. All they really need to do is have the schools that they want vote to remove the exit fees. The MWC has some dead weight that doesn't need to go to the PAC. Once they remove the fees, those schools go to the PAC and the remaining MWC now need to find new schools to keep the conference afloat.

Would that still be 9 votes needed? Three schoools remaining in the MWC may have a difficult time rebuilding with the scarcity of fbs ready and willing schools out west and a collapsed tv contract.

Montana and Dakota schools on line 1

(09-01-2023 10:01 AM)NDSUguy Wrote:  I don't get the idea of needing to dissolve the MWC. All they really need to do is have the schools that they want vote to remove the exit fees. ...

Most conference by-laws are drawn up that if you say you are leaving, you lose your vote, and if you are planning to leave, you have to say so, so all of those "a supermajority get an offer to leave and then vote to let themselves out for free and then announce their move" plans floated on fan forums seem like open invitations to go to court, with the plan in limbo until the court case it settled.

Meanwhile, invite everyone, and there is nobody with standing to sue to stop the move.

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(09-01-2023 10:07 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  ... Would that still be 9 votes needed? Three schoools remaining in the MWC may have a difficult time rebuilding with the scarcity of fbs ready and willing schools out west and a collapsed tv contract.

The harder it is to rebuild the MWC, the more incentive there is for any schools threatened to be left behind to take it to court. And if the play was not to dissolved the conference, but rather to simply cancel exit fees, the court then finds that the 9 votes were invalid under the bylaws, then it is 3-0 against removing the exit fees, and the exit fees stand, and the schools have already left.

You could have the schools leaving losing money on the move and the left behind schools using the exit fee money to rebuild a new Texas-focused FBS conference that just happens to have three schools in it that are located further west.

(09-01-2023 10:09 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Meanwhile, invite everyone, and there is nobody with standing to sue to stop the move.

Yep. Makes it easy peasy

(09-01-2023 09:47 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 09:30 AM)surrealpirate Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 07:58 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 07:48 AM)tigergatorcyclone Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 07:35 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  LOL cry more.

ECU isn’t trying to move anywhere?

They don't have anywhere to go. It's Greenville, NC.

Settle down Boonie. Greenville definitely isn't lighting the world on fire (but making modest improvements) and Boone is a beautiful small town, but when it comes to realignment neither are the hot chick in the room.

The difference is that App is perfectly content in the SBC. If you would've asked an App fan 10 years ago to draw up their "dream" G5 conference, it would be very close to what the SBC East is now.

Can ECU fans say the same? If they were asked to draw up their "dream" conference 10 years ago, would it include UNCC and FAU?

Fair point, but I'd rather us continue to try to get in the best conference we can revenue/competition/reputation-wise until that option is 100% no longer available. That's always been our MO, even going back to when we left the SoCon.

I'd rather us try for the best possible scenario rather than settle for a "dream" 2nd or 3rd place. We can agree to disagree on which approach is better (as our approach has a clear downside), but we've been consistent in how we've approached this for a long time and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Not going to happen, MWC is going to add WSU/OS, and clearly best of the G5.

(09-01-2023 08:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  As much as I think the current AAC is a big pile of CUSA turd, and just became even more of one without SMU, I wouldn't want USF to join this proposed conference.

Too much travel to play G-teams on the other side of the country, even if the payout edged up.

You can sense that we're reaching a new equilibrium in CFB realignment. Steep exit fees, steep travel expenses, and poor brand names are all that are available almost everywhere you look in the realignment game.

Until the ACC dam splits open, the AAC is probably pretty stable.

(09-01-2023 10:36 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Not going to happen, MWC is going to add WSU/OS, and clearly best of the G5.

MWC will probably add the Zags as well. Will be a solid conference. But will not have any further expansion targets.

Interestingly, because of the severe decentralization of P5 schools out west, the MWC may end up more competitive. Minimal travel for west-coast kids, stable conference, and solid in football and basketball. Arguably the MWC is the only "true" west-coast conference now.