(08-22-2023 03:42 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 03:12 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 09:54 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/statu...51580?s=20

This mornings meeting canceled...not elaborated on if rescheduled, for later today or at all...

I wish the ACC would come to a conclusion on this Califord thing. Either they're going to let them into the conference or not. Dragging it out doesn't hurt the ACC but it's terrible for the Pac4. They need to know how they should get on with their lives. With or without Califord makes a big difference.

it really needs resolution by the end of this week

Tell 'em "no", then invite USF to cover for when/if FSU leaves.

USF is AAU and in a new TV DMA - should be ok for all except FSU, who aren't going to happy with anything the ACC does, anyway, so why care?

8-game divisionless schedule works with an odd number of teams. A bit clunky, but it works. Pick 3 teams that don't play Miami or FSU annually to be USF's "rivals".

(08-22-2023 04:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 03:42 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 03:12 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 09:54 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/statu...51580?s=20

This mornings meeting canceled...not elaborated on if rescheduled, for later today or at all...

I wish the ACC would come to a conclusion on this Califord thing. Either they're going to let them into the conference or not. Dragging it out doesn't hurt the ACC but it's terrible for the Pac4. They need to know how they should get on with their lives. With or without Califord makes a big difference.

it really needs resolution by the end of this week

Tell 'em "no", then invite USF to cover for when/if FSU leaves.

USF is AAU and in a new TV DMA - should be ok for all except FSU, who aren't going to happy with anything the ACC does, anyway, so why care?

8-game divisionless schedule works with an odd number of teams. A bit clunky, but it works. Pick 3 teams that don't play Miami or FSU annually to be USF's "rivals".

You can do a 2-6-6 schedule with 15 members and makes it where ND is an exact every 1/3 year game for everybody. USF would be a fine addition and I’d love to have them. USF could be BC’s annual...because somebody has to.

(08-22-2023 04:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 03:42 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 03:12 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 09:54 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/statu...51580?s=20

This mornings meeting canceled...not elaborated on if rescheduled, for later today or at all...

I wish the ACC would come to a conclusion on this Califord thing. Either they're going to let them into the conference or not. Dragging it out doesn't hurt the ACC but it's terrible for the Pac4. They need to know how they should get on with their lives. With or without Califord makes a big difference.

it really needs resolution by the end of this week

Tell 'em "no", then invite USF to cover for when/if FSU leaves.

USF is AAU and in a new TV DMA - should be ok for all except FSU, who aren't going to happy with anything the ACC does, anyway, so why care?

8-game divisionless schedule works with an odd number of teams. A bit clunky, but it works. Pick 3 teams that don't play Miami or FSU annually to be USF's "rivals".

why cant we do the 3 westish plus usf?

I'm torn on letting PAC teams know something this week/asap as being a good patron in all of this....

There is a disadvantage of us not knowing if the ACC is working on a bigger and broader plan and communicating to those they need too including the PAC teams....we won't know that until this chapter is over and media gets a hold of how it all played out, like they're always able to do post mortem.

ACC could have already told PAC teams we got you, or move on, but now we're talking with say Apple and that's gonna take a few weeks/months to get our ACC + expansion teams to put a deal together, just as an example.

(08-22-2023 04:52 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 04:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 03:42 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 03:12 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 09:54 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/statu...51580?s=20

This mornings meeting canceled...not elaborated on if rescheduled, for later today or at all...

I wish the ACC would come to a conclusion on this Califord thing. Either they're going to let them into the conference or not. Dragging it out doesn't hurt the ACC but it's terrible for the Pac4. They need to know how they should get on with their lives. With or without Califord makes a big difference.

it really needs resolution by the end of this week

Tell 'em "no", then invite USF to cover for when/if FSU leaves.

USF is AAU and in a new TV DMA - should be ok for all except FSU, who aren't going to happy with anything the ACC does, anyway, so why care?

8-game divisionless schedule works with an odd number of teams. A bit clunky, but it works. Pick 3 teams that don't play Miami or FSU annually to be USF's "rivals".

why cant we do the 3 westish plus usf?

They certainly could do that. I still think Stanford is a good addition, but preferably without Cal. The ACC really needs to get into Texas, but every team better than Rice and SMU are locked into a GoR until 2031.

USF is a valuable addition, and Navy and Army are okay for FB-only.

The ACC may have little choice but to wait 7 years, which really stinks. They dug themselves a hole by not killing off the Big XII when they had the chance.

TCU and Houston would make a nice pair.

Just when I thought I was out.....they pull me back in....

Jason Cole, author says he thinks this could happen today for Califord....not sure about SMU

https://twitter.com/JasonCole62/status/1...49156?s=20

(08-22-2023 04:55 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  I'm torn on letting PAC teams know something this week/asap as being a good patron in all of this....

There is a disadvantage of us not knowing if the ACC is working on a bigger and broader plan and communicating to those they need too including the PAC teams....we won't know that until this chapter is over and media gets a hold of how it all played out, like they're always able to do post mortem.

ACC could have already told PAC teams we got you, or move on, but now we're talking with say Apple and that's gonna take a few weeks/months to get our ACC + expansion teams to put a deal together, just as an example.

Do you think the ACC has told Penn State or Purdue or NW no?
Do you think the ACC has told Florida or Vandy or Kentucky no?

Stanford in particular will never be told "no". They might be told the votes are not there at this time, but they will not be told "no". Just like the B10 never told Oregon and Washington "no". They were told "the votes are not there at this time". Then time passed.

Why is it the ACC that has to act in these ethically over the top positive ways to satisfy people, while the B10, B12, and SEC get to just follow their business models?

(08-23-2023 09:17 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Just when I thought I was out.....they pull me back in....

Jason Cole, author says he thinks this could happen today for Califord....not sure about SMU

https://twitter.com/JasonCole62/status/1...49156?s=20

mr cole, stanford alumnus, used to cover the Miami dolphins for the Miami herald ...

BLAST FROM THE PAST

https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status...7576834496

https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/statu...36271?s=20

https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/statu...53540?s=20

it shouldnt really be that hard to find a solution on splitting the money. Stan/Cal were originally projected at getting 60-70 % of a tv revenue share, probably not including accn payout. I will use 25 mil as the base value as its likely around there. lets say it was 70% or 17.5 mil, I am going to assume now its 50% max for Calford or 12.5 mil each, leaving 25 mil available to split among the 15 other members with ND getting a partial for independence, some will go to travel say 5mil, if it was all going to performance this deal would be done by now, so assuming some will go to each school and some will go to performance based. Id think 1 mil bump for each school and 5 mil to performance base could be doable just for those 2.

Adding SMU 's full share would add 25 mil to the pot and you could split it the same way, which would be 2 mil each(minus ND who would be less) plus 10 mil travel money and 10 mil in performance based pay.

https://twitter.com/rossdellenger/status...5HNJTr1Y3A


this sounds likely to pass and has some good numbers

Ross Dellenger is saying that the chances of adding Cal, Stanford and SMU look very good.

(08-22-2023 06:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 04:28 AM)XLance Wrote:  Let's pray that the ACC Presidents aren't stupid enough to invite Cal and Stanford to join the ACC for all sports.

FIFY

TBH, I don't think it's disastrous (for the Eastern teams) even if they do join all-in. It'll be the two West Coast teams that will do 87.5% of the travelling - the East Coast teams will only do the other 12.5%.

However, what this expansion would do is (1) open up a HUGE new TV market, and (2) tell the rest of the country that the ACC is coming and it's not going away.

What it will also do is confirm the desperation that currently exists in the ACC. I firmly hope that Clemson votes no even if they end up being the only no vote.

(08-23-2023 06:13 PM)PAW79 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 06:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 04:28 AM)XLance Wrote:  Let's pray that the ACC Presidents aren't stupid enough to invite Cal and Stanford to join the ACC for all sports.

FIFY

TBH, I don't think it's disastrous (for the Eastern teams) even if they do join all-in. It'll be the two West Coast teams that will do 87.5% of the travelling - the East Coast teams will only do the other 12.5%.

However, what this expansion would do is (1) open up a HUGE new TV market, and (2) tell the rest of the country that the ACC is coming and it's not going away.

What it will also do is confirm the desperation that currently exists in the ACC. I firmly hope that Clemson votes no even if they end up being the only no vote.

final votes always end up unanimous

(08-22-2023 01:54 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 01:40 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 01:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 01:04 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The timing of this is horrible; ESPN is tapped out of money, FSU and Clem want out of the ACC and UNC/NCSU have political revenge in mind.

Why can’t we play nice?

We know that FSU wants out, but I haven't heard one peep from anyone in authority make the same claims about Clemson. You may want to adjust your statement.

Clemson does not want out of the ACC. They only want more money and to be inoculated from three northeast ACC football games a year.

I'm not so sure that Clemson doesn't want out of the ACC. If the ACC TV money weren't so woefully inadequate, they would probably be ok with staying in the ACC. It's certainly an easier path to the CFP.

Regarding the football scheduling, the divisional setup was a huge blunder by the ACC. Clemson and FSU were forced to play both BC and Syracuse annually, games that are FAR less valuable to ESPN than Clemson/VT, Clemson/Miami, FSU/VT, and others. Divisionless is a very welcome change.

Clemson's AD/President/BOT have stated publicly on numerous occasions that Clemson will do whatever it takes to try and bridge the revenue gap that currently exists between the ACC & SEC/BIG. Since there is really very little way for that gap to be significantly reduced by anything the ACC can or will do, their statements by default mean Clemson is looking to leave the ACC. I think they would prefer to stay in the ACC if this money issue did not exist but it does and Clemson will leave the ACC if a decent "exit plan" can be worked out.

(08-23-2023 06:24 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  

(08-23-2023 06:13 PM)PAW79 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 06:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 04:28 AM)XLance Wrote:  Let's pray that the ACC Presidents aren't stupid enough to invite Cal and Stanford to join the ACC for all sports.

FIFY

TBH, I don't think it's disastrous (for the Eastern teams) even if they do join all-in. It'll be the two West Coast teams that will do 87.5% of the travelling - the East Coast teams will only do the other 12.5%.

However, what this expansion would do is (1) open up a HUGE new TV market, and (2) tell the rest of the country that the ACC is coming and it's not going away.

What it will also do is confirm the desperation that currently exists in the ACC. I firmly hope that Clemson votes no even if they end up being the only no vote.

final votes always end up unanimous

Agreed but I still hold out hope that Clemson would be courageous enough (or stupid enough depending on your point of view) to still vote no.

(08-23-2023 05:57 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/rossdellenger/status...5HNJTr1Y3A


this sounds likely to pass and has some good numbers

Yup. It’s not over until it’s really over but I keep saying the expansion is going to happen.

Money is there. It just makes too much sense.

Here's my 100% guaranteed plan to get enough votes to expand:
https://twitter.com/mark_hokie/status/16...9200562430

Basically, everyone gets a $3M/year bump plus incentives, EXCEPT
the No votes who flip get to split the shares of those who don't flip

Since this sounds like a done deal, it's time we reconsider scheduling especially in football. We should keep 8 with 3 set ,3 rotating, & 2 based on the previous year standings. The goal is to get more of the top half of the league playing each other more often.