(06-16-2023 02:06 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 01:54 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 01:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  ESPN article:

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor...plans-exit

"They're trying to find out what we're willing to do," said a Mountain West source briefed on the exchange. "They want to see if the Mountain West Conference is going to handle this nicely. Well, that's not going to happen. Everyone wants to find the best financial path for themselves, and it's clunky."

Maybe they've had an invite in the bag all along. But if not, they are really rolling the dice here.

I wonder if they have assurances from the AAC(ESPN) of a safety net.

My favorite part of the article...

"The Mountain West responded to San Diego State and informed them in a June 14 letter that they accepted the letter of withdrawal and the consequences of withdrawing had begun. "

(06-16-2023 02:03 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  The potential of this backfiring is crazy!

If you're the MWC you absolutely accept this as their exit notification and set a timeline for payments to begin.

SDSU doesn't have the votes from the Pac-10 yet.

SDSU doesn't have the votes from the Big 12 yet.

Someone on another board (without a link but with quotes) said that had already happened. SDSU came back and said it wasn't a formal withdrawal.

So, is Yormark's play to offer SDSU now? Probably at a reduced rate because of the bind SDSU has put itself in.

Take So Cal off the board for the PAC. Add the 4th time zone. Take one Big 12 opening off the board with UConn still in the running.

This means they don't have an invite, but they are trying protecting themselves. Mechanically it's almost impossible for them to finish the application, invite and withdraw process before the end of the month. The suggestion to put in a formal application has to be given before Friday next week to just get under the deadline. But I assume there are some other steps required by the Pac-12 (or Big 12) in the interim before they can even tell them to apply.

I don't know if this "we plan to leave but we are not formally leaving yet, can you give us an extra month to straighten things out" will work. The MWC is definitely going to tell them "either resign completely or remain, none of this halfway crap." And they really don't need to play nice. No reason to let SDSU get a $16-17M reduction in exit penalty. That is money the MWC expects and wants. It's not the MWC's fault the Pac-12 doesn't have their act together. SDSU needs to ask for some money from the Pac-12 to make them whole if they want to leave and not resign a full 12 months prior.

This also suggests that maybe Colorado will be leaving the Pac-12 within the next month or two, and SDSU has been told they will be immediately added as replacement. Either that or the Pac-12 is going to invite them hell or high water.

SMU doesn't really have this issue. The AAC has a 27 month notice minimum, which nobody can ever make. But historical precedent has set the buyout fee settlement at $16-17M (see UConn, UCF, Cincinnati, Houston buyouts). It's hard to see SMU being treated any differently. So, if Arizona follows, then SMU can announce they are leaving in the Fall and pretty much know what they will pay (there will of course be some dance with the lawyers).

All that said, I have thought for the better part of a year the Pac-12 should have invited SDSU and figured things out from there. But they have been in a reaction mode going from mess to mess rather than planning.

(06-16-2023 02:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:03 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  The potential of this backfiring is crazy!

If you're the MWC you absolutely accept this as their exit notification and set a timeline for payments to begin.

SDSU doesn't have the votes from the Pac-10 yet.

SDSU doesn't have the votes from the Big 12 yet.

Someone on another board (without a link but with quotes) said that had already happened. SDSU came back and said it wasn't a formal withdrawal.

Yea, I just read it in the ESPN article.

"The Mountain West responded to San Diego State and informed them in a June 14 letter that they accepted the letter of withdrawal and the consequences of withdrawing had begun. "

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor...plans-exit

That's exactly what you're supposed to do in this situation. The bylaws are black and white. You said you intent to leave and would like to begin negotiations for an exit fee, that qualifies as an exit notification in my book. We accept this as an exit notification.

The dominos are finally starting to fall.

Then SDSU has no conference in 2024 right now.

Here we go.

Good on the Mountain West for any firmness on the exit procedures.

I do feel somewhat bad for SDSU, though. And I think this is PAC, not Big XII. Big XII seems to know how to handle its business far better between the two. They wouldn’t be dawdling like this.

(06-16-2023 01:59 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  SDSU and Boise to the PAC

El Paso and NMSU to the MWC

SMU and Memphis to the Big 12

Texas State and Liberty to the AAC

ECU to the Sun Belt

WKU and MT to the MAC

CUSA crumbles

There's an entire conference of schools desperately wanting a CUSA invite. It's called the United Athletic Conference.

I think SMU is going Pac-12, not Big 12. Same with SDSU, obviously.

(06-16-2023 02:26 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  The dominos are finally starting to fall.

This actually breaks the metaphor. Events are supposed to fall in succession but SDSU just jumped without allowing the other events to take place. That's not how dominos work.

(06-16-2023 02:33 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Good on the Mountain West for any firmness on the exit procedures.

I do feel somewhat bad for SDSU, though. And I think this is PAC, not Big XII. Big XII seems to know how to handle its business far better between the two. They wouldn’t be dawdling like this.

They dont have a TV deal yet. Its been stated many times that the PAC would prefer or wants to finalize a deal before expansion. Its not that complicated.

(06-16-2023 01:59 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  SDSU and Boise to the PAC

El Paso and NMSU to the MWC

SMU and Memphis to the Big 12

Texas State and Liberty to the AAC

ECU to the Sun Belt

WKU and MT to the MAC

CUSA crumbles

SMU isn't going to the Big 12.

For the life of me I can't see why people keep saying this.

So what if they don’t have an invite to the PAC or Big 12? AAC?

(06-16-2023 02:42 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  So what if they don’t have an invite to the PAC or Big 12? AAC?

MWC accepts them back at 3/4 shares?

(06-16-2023 02:26 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  The dominos are finally starting to fall.

We'll see. I'm not holding my breath.

SDSU had all the power and leverage when they said nothing.

Now the MWC can tell them to pound sand and the PAC and BXII know it and can low(er) bid any offer.

SDSU jammed themselves up.

(06-16-2023 02:42 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  So what if they don’t have an invite to the PAC or Big 12? AAC?

The PAC will eventually invite them officially. 99% chance they are in that conference for the 2024 football season. Book it!

Wow. What happens if the Pac-12 doesn't invite SDSU? Then what? How do the Aztecs put together 2024-25 schedules for football, basketball and baseball? Talk about hanging it all out. (They will land, but the concept of having no conference, even for a short while is downright frightening. One hell of a risk.)

BTW, the MWC will not backfill. They will stand at 11 football and 10 basketball. They dispensed with divisions, so don't need an even number. For basketball, they'll simply go to a full round robin, as it was SDSU who opposed more games than 16. There isn't a school out there that brings any value.

Based on the various reports. I am baffled by what SDSU has done. I think I know what they are trying to do - minimize exit fees and the like - but this way of doing it doesn't compute for me.

As others have said, they seem to have left themselves rxposed.