(05-31-2023 12:19 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-31-2023 11:41 AM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 09:06 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 08:15 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 07:53 PM)splitstud Wrote:  What would be gained by these partials?

No way SDSU goes anywhere without all sports. Geez, our BB program is one of the 4 best in the West for God's sake. Just went to the national title. By the way, Zona hasn't been to the final four since Luke Olsen did it in 2001, and they have been in the PAC for some 44 years, not MWC. Just don't quite understand the love for Zona on here and in the B12. Their market is a third than of San Diego and they have never done much in football.

Arizona is a massive state university (50,000 students) with a $1.2 billion endowment and a school of medicine. The university is a member of the AAU. The men's basketball program has 11 Elite Eight appearances (including in 2003, 2005, 2011, 2014 and 2015, which you conveniently left out). The baseball program's resume offers four national titles and 42 NCAA Tournament appearances. Even if the so-so Wildcat football program were the worst in FBS (which it is not), the university in general would be very attractive to the Big 12.

If, hypothetically, the Big 12 had a chance to land four ACC programs and Memphis were in a position (related to a possible Big 12 bid) that SDSU is in with the Pac... And if I — as a Memphis fan — posted on this board that the Big 12 should want Memphis over, say, N.C. State (a good parallel to the University of Arizona) ... I would be laughed at. And deservedly so.

Now you might say that SDSU is a more attractive candidate for the Pac than Memphis is for the Big 12. That SDSU brings the Southern California market and all the TV sets and the recent Final Four, etc., etc. I get it. I think SDSU is both qualified for and deserving of the Pac. But in my humble opinion, San Diego State is more like the University Memphis than it is like the University of Arizona.

Sometimes your posts (and this one is an example) simply baffle me, A-Golfer. And I note that with respect, as I have mentioned previously that I was rooting for SDSU to win the national title and tremendously respect what your school has done in academics and athletics.

I'm speaking from a purely athletic point of view on Zona. Their academics fit the PAC more than the B12 which is why they are unlikely to leave unless the B1G came calling, despite Jason Scheer's wishes. ASU would be the better target in Arizona given their location in Phoenix. Tucson is a small market. But, when it comes down to it, football is what drives realignment and Zona has never done much in that sport. Gonzaga has had the better BB program over the last decade in the West and I don't think they move the needle for the B12.

Arizona finished 53rd (respectable but not great) in the most recent Learfield Cup for winter's sports (SDSU finished 97th). Spring sports ranking will be released in mid-June.

Historically, UA sports have finished in the top 30 in the Learfield Cup standings. Overall, Arizona offers a quality and well-rounded athletics program, though I agree with you that Zona football needs improving.

Tucscon might be a small market but Arizona is THE state university of a state with 7.45 million.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/2018/7/1/1...sports-asu

FWIW, in 2022, Arizona averaged 44.2K attendance and ASU averaged 43K. Neither made it to a bowl game, though Arizona had the slightly better season.

ASU is in the Phoenix metro area and is the bigger school. Arizona has lots of fans and alumni in the Phoenix area and they legitimately secure the Phoenix market on their own.

(05-31-2023 12:19 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-31-2023 11:41 AM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 09:06 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 08:15 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 07:53 PM)splitstud Wrote:  What would be gained by these partials?

No way SDSU goes anywhere without all sports. Geez, our BB program is one of the 4 best in the West for God's sake. Just went to the national title. By the way, Zona hasn't been to the final four since Luke Olsen did it in 2001, and they have been in the PAC for some 44 years, not MWC. Just don't quite understand the love for Zona on here and in the B12. Their market is a third than of San Diego and they have never done much in football.

Arizona is a massive state university (50,000 students) with a $1.2 billion endowment and a school of medicine. The university is a member of the AAU. The men's basketball program has 11 Elite Eight appearances (including in 2003, 2005, 2011, 2014 and 2015, which you conveniently left out). The baseball program's resume offers four national titles and 42 NCAA Tournament appearances. Even if the so-so Wildcat football program were the worst in FBS (which it is not), the university in general would be very attractive to the Big 12.

If, hypothetically, the Big 12 had a chance to land four ACC programs and Memphis were in a position (related to a possible Big 12 bid) that SDSU is in with the Pac... And if I — as a Memphis fan — posted on this board that the Big 12 should want Memphis over, say, N.C. State (a good parallel to the University of Arizona) ... I would be laughed at. And deservedly so.

Now you might say that SDSU is a more attractive candidate for the Pac than Memphis is for the Big 12. That SDSU brings the Southern California market and all the TV sets and the recent Final Four, etc., etc. I get it. I think SDSU is both qualified for and deserving of the Pac. But in my humble opinion, San Diego State is more like the University Memphis than it is like the University of Arizona.

Sometimes your posts (and this one is an example) simply baffle me, A-Golfer. And I note that with respect, as I have mentioned previously that I was rooting for SDSU to win the national title and tremendously respect what your school has done in academics and athletics.

I'm speaking from a purely athletic point of view on Zona. Their academics fit the PAC more than the B12 which is why they are unlikely to leave unless the B1G came calling, despite Jason Scheer's wishes. ASU would be the better target in Arizona given their location in Phoenix. Tucson is a small market. But, when it comes down to it, football is what drives realignment and Zona has never done much in that sport. Gonzaga has had the better BB program over the last decade in the West and I don't think they move the needle for the B12.

Arizona finished 53rd (respectable but not great) in the most recent Learfield Cup for winter's sports (SDSU finished 97th). Spring sports ranking will be released in mid-June.

Historically, UA sports have finished in the top 30 in the Learfield Cup standings. Overall, Arizona offers a quality and well-rounded athletics program, though I agree with you that Zona football needs improving.

Tucscon might be a small market but Arizona is THE state university of a state with 7.45 million.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/2018/7/1/1...sports-asu

And SDSU is the only FBS school in a county of 3.1M, and one of just 3 in SoCal with a population of 24M. The school's western campus expansion will allow us to grow the enrollment to 50K. Right now, SDSU is limited in size at the main campus, though they buy up any property that becomes available around it.

(05-31-2023 03:21 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-31-2023 12:19 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-31-2023 11:41 AM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 09:06 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 08:15 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  No way SDSU goes anywhere without all sports. Geez, our BB program is one of the 4 best in the West for God's sake. Just went to the national title. By the way, Zona hasn't been to the final four since Luke Olsen did it in 2001, and they have been in the PAC for some 44 years, not MWC. Just don't quite understand the love for Zona on here and in the B12. Their market is a third than of San Diego and they have never done much in football.

Arizona is a massive state university (50,000 students) with a $1.2 billion endowment and a school of medicine. The university is a member of the AAU. The men's basketball program has 11 Elite Eight appearances (including in 2003, 2005, 2011, 2014 and 2015, which you conveniently left out). The baseball program's resume offers four national titles and 42 NCAA Tournament appearances. Even if the so-so Wildcat football program were the worst in FBS (which it is not), the university in general would be very attractive to the Big 12.

If, hypothetically, the Big 12 had a chance to land four ACC programs and Memphis were in a position (related to a possible Big 12 bid) that SDSU is in with the Pac... And if I — as a Memphis fan — posted on this board that the Big 12 should want Memphis over, say, N.C. State (a good parallel to the University of Arizona) ... I would be laughed at. And deservedly so.

Now you might say that SDSU is a more attractive candidate for the Pac than Memphis is for the Big 12. That SDSU brings the Southern California market and all the TV sets and the recent Final Four, etc., etc. I get it. I think SDSU is both qualified for and deserving of the Pac. But in my humble opinion, San Diego State is more like the University Memphis than it is like the University of Arizona.

Sometimes your posts (and this one is an example) simply baffle me, A-Golfer. And I note that with respect, as I have mentioned previously that I was rooting for SDSU to win the national title and tremendously respect what your school has done in academics and athletics.

I'm speaking from a purely athletic point of view on Zona. Their academics fit the PAC more than the B12 which is why they are unlikely to leave unless the B1G came calling, despite Jason Scheer's wishes. ASU would be the better target in Arizona given their location in Phoenix. Tucson is a small market. But, when it comes down to it, football is what drives realignment and Zona has never done much in that sport. Gonzaga has had the better BB program over the last decade in the West and I don't think they move the needle for the B12.

Arizona finished 53rd (respectable but not great) in the most recent Learfield Cup for winter's sports (SDSU finished 97th). Spring sports ranking will be released in mid-June.

Historically, UA sports have finished in the top 30 in the Learfield Cup standings. Overall, Arizona offers a quality and well-rounded athletics program, though I agree with you that Zona football needs improving.

Tucscon might be a small market but Arizona is THE state university of a state with 7.45 million.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/2018/7/1/1...sports-asu

And SDSU is the only FBS school in a county of 3.1M, and one of just 3 in SoCal with a population of 24M. The school's western campus expansion will allow us to grow the enrollment to 50K. Right now, SDSU is limited in size at the main campus, though they buy up any property that becomes available around it.

For someone so adamant that SDSU has already received an invite to the PAC-10 you spend an awful lot of time trying to convince everyone of how worthy SDSU is. If you have the invite, and it's happening, why bother explaining it to people hating on it? Just laugh at them.

(05-31-2023 03:21 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-31-2023 12:19 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-31-2023 11:41 AM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 09:06 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 08:15 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  No way SDSU goes anywhere without all sports. Geez, our BB program is one of the 4 best in the West for God's sake. Just went to the national title. By the way, Zona hasn't been to the final four since Luke Olsen did it in 2001, and they have been in the PAC for some 44 years, not MWC. Just don't quite understand the love for Zona on here and in the B12. Their market is a third than of San Diego and they have never done much in football.

Arizona is a massive state university (50,000 students) with a $1.2 billion endowment and a school of medicine. The university is a member of the AAU. The men's basketball program has 11 Elite Eight appearances (including in 2003, 2005, 2011, 2014 and 2015, which you conveniently left out). The baseball program's resume offers four national titles and 42 NCAA Tournament appearances. Even if the so-so Wildcat football program were the worst in FBS (which it is not), the university in general would be very attractive to the Big 12.

If, hypothetically, the Big 12 had a chance to land four ACC programs and Memphis were in a position (related to a possible Big 12 bid) that SDSU is in with the Pac... And if I — as a Memphis fan — posted on this board that the Big 12 should want Memphis over, say, N.C. State (a good parallel to the University of Arizona) ... I would be laughed at. And deservedly so.

Now you might say that SDSU is a more attractive candidate for the Pac than Memphis is for the Big 12. That SDSU brings the Southern California market and all the TV sets and the recent Final Four, etc., etc. I get it. I think SDSU is both qualified for and deserving of the Pac. But in my humble opinion, San Diego State is more like the University Memphis than it is like the University of Arizona.

Sometimes your posts (and this one is an example) simply baffle me, A-Golfer. And I note that with respect, as I have mentioned previously that I was rooting for SDSU to win the national title and tremendously respect what your school has done in academics and athletics.

I'm speaking from a purely athletic point of view on Zona. Their academics fit the PAC more than the B12 which is why they are unlikely to leave unless the B1G came calling, despite Jason Scheer's wishes. ASU would be the better target in Arizona given their location in Phoenix. Tucson is a small market. But, when it comes down to it, football is what drives realignment and Zona has never done much in that sport. Gonzaga has had the better BB program over the last decade in the West and I don't think they move the needle for the B12.

Arizona finished 53rd (respectable but not great) in the most recent Learfield Cup for winter's sports (SDSU finished 97th). Spring sports ranking will be released in mid-June.

Historically, UA sports have finished in the top 30 in the Learfield Cup standings. Overall, Arizona offers a quality and well-rounded athletics program, though I agree with you that Zona football needs improving.

Tucscon might be a small market but Arizona is THE state university of a state with 7.45 million.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/2018/7/1/1...sports-asu

And SDSU is the only FBS school in a county of 3.1M, and one of just 3 in SoCal with a population of 24M. The school's western campus expansion will allow us to grow the enrollment to 50K. Right now, SDSU is limited in size at the main campus, though they buy up any property that becomes available around it.

Again, and as I have posted multiple times, San Diego State is both qualified for and deserving of either Pac-12 or Big 12 membership. Your school has earned it.

But if you are suggesting SDSU is the "equal" of a major state university like the University of Arizona in all-round sports offerings/budgets/facilities ... I just don't buy it.

Louisville is the only public "city school" that has the all-round resources and results in sports that can rival those of the highest-profile P5 state universities. UofL has enjoyed outstanding seasons in baseball, women's hoops, men's hoops and football for many years. Its athletics budget and revenues are high-ranking. But even Louisville athletics collectively are perceived (perhaps unfairly) by many outsiders as a tier below the University of Kentucky.

SDSU sports overall, despite some impressive strides and accomplishments, are not quite on the level of Louisville sports, much less that of U. of Arizona sports.

Your school is poised for elevation and I feel you will land the Pac 12 invite. Good luck.

(05-31-2023 12:13 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(05-31-2023 08:38 AM)ken d Wrote:  When are these meetings scheduled?

This Friday and Saturday in West Virginia.

Both AZ and CU will reportedly have boots on the ground.

I believe that last part was made up by the Mhver account.

Its whole lot of nothing burgers. This week will pass, with the same old same old. Nothing happening except for a bunch of speculation.

No school is leaving the pac12, until the BIG raids it further.

(05-31-2023 07:37 PM)Acres Wrote:  Its whole lot of nothing burgers. This week will pass, with the same old same old. Nothing happening except for a bunch of speculation.

No school is leaving the pac12, until the BIG raids it further.

No school is leaving the Pac 12 for the Big 12, until they do.

The PAC is never getting a TV deal, until they do.

Eventually one of those things will happen. Until then, it's all nothingburgers.

(05-30-2023 10:16 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 09:06 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 08:15 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 07:53 PM)splitstud Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 06:24 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  Yeah, the PAC schools will be 1st option whether they stay or go. If the PAC survives, SDSU goes to the highest bidder (probably the PAC). Then I can see partials for Memphis and either SDSU or UCONN and maybe a full Olympic share for Gonzaga (up to 8 mil).

What would be gained by these partials?

No way SDSU goes anywhere without all sports. Geez, our BB program is one of the 4 best in the West for God's sake. Just went to the national title. By the way, Zona hasn't been to the final four since Luke Olsen did it in 2001, and they have been in the PAC for some 44 years, not MWC. Just don't quite understand the love for Zona on here and in the B12. Their market is a third than of San Diego and they have never done much in football.

Arizona is a massive state university (50,000 students) with a $1.2 billion endowment and a school of medicine. The university is a member of the AAU. The men's basketball program has 11 Elite Eight appearances (including in 2003, 2005, 2011, 2014 and 2015, which you conveniently left out). The baseball program's resume offers four national titles and 42 NCAA Tournament appearances. Even if the so-so Wildcat football program were the worst in FBS (which it is not), the university in general would be very attractive to the Big 12.

If, hypothetically, the Big 12 had a chance to land four ACC programs and Memphis were in a position (related to a possible Big 12 bid) that SDSU is in with the Pac... And if I — as a Memphis fan — posted on this board that the Big 12 should want Memphis over, say, N.C. State (a good parallel to the University of Arizona) ... I would be laughed at. And deservedly so.

Now you might say that SDSU is a more attractive candidate for the Pac than Memphis is for the Big 12. That SDSU brings the Southern California market and all the TV sets and the recent Final Four, etc., etc. I get it. I think SDSU is both qualified for and deserving of the Pac. But in my humble opinion, San Diego State is more like the University Memphis than it is like the University of Arizona.

Sometimes your posts (and this one is an example) simply baffle me, A-Golfer. And I note that with respect, as I have mentioned previously that I was rooting for SDSU to win the national title and tremendously respect what your school has done in academics and athletics.

Memphis is better overall Athletically than SDSU, but they're comparable. SDSU is better by a bit Academically, but Memphis has better Geography for the big 12 and ACC, and acceptable geography for the Pac. So, I'd agree that they're roughly comparable for the big 12, while SDSU makes more sense for the Pac and Memphis makes more sense for the ACC (when/if they start looking again).

I'd give Arizona a decent edge over NC St for a conference like the big 12 that could fit either of them geographically b/c they're a Flagship AAU and they're Elite in Basketball. NC St is a bit better in football, but not by much, and there's no way for them to make up for lack of Flagship (or even co-Flagship) status and lack of AAU membership. If the big 12 gets Arizona and Colorado, they'll only be 1 AAU member behind the Pac...meaning that if any other AAU schools (hello Utah!) switch sides, they'd actually swing the balance of AAU power to the big 12. NC State can't offer that, or anything like that.

I disagree, I believe the BIG12 would add NCST over UTAH or other west coast schools.