(05-30-2023 06:24 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 11:48 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 08:13 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 07:53 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 07:48 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  I get why the B12 eyeing at the 4C schools.

Would the B12 really add four non power schools if none of Pac schools join?

We would not. The networks could change their mind in the future, in which case we probably go after Memphis and USF.

Going deeper into this, if the PAC survives, the 1st question is does SDSU join the PAC? If not, SDSU is the 1st choice adding a Cali school in the PST and is a CBS/FOX school. I think Memphis is the 2nd school from best available from the G5, who belongs to ESPN, and then Gonzaga is considered, also ESPN. If SDSU does join the PAC (likely with SMU), then I think UCONN is the 3rd best G5, who is under FOX and CBS, to add with Memphis (ESPN), and then, of course, consider Gonzaga.

With the Big 12 under FOX and ESPN, I don't think ESPN wants to give up 2 ESPN schools that could end up with FOX and the same could be said for 2 FOX schools ending up with ESPN. I think they have to split with SDSU (if available) or UCONN and Memphis. Gonzaga, while being a 2nd ESPN school, would get higher ratings for ESPN under conference play than in the WCC so that could balance out FOX getting some of their games, and basketball ratings wouldn't be nearly as high as football.

Now if the money isn't there for SDSU/UCONN + Memphis and then maybe Gonzaga, expansion won't happen and everyone holds pat until Oregon and Washington bolt for the B1G, and then the Big 12 tries again for the 4C.

First thing to remember is G5 adds likely won't get a full deal on the next contract. ESPN pays Memphis about 7 million per year, they still would get the best of the FB deal with memphis playing B12 rather than AAC schools. If ESPN would pay lets say 8 mil to 10 for memphis, and same for SD ST, Fox may well pay 2/3 or so of their deal for the BB heavy piece of the pie. So lets say it was 7.5 and 6 mil from the 2, The B12 could pay 12 to 13 mil each for 2 schools and those schools get a big bump and B12 current members don't lose a penny over the next 7 years.
That said my preference is 2 or 4 PAC schools.

Yeah, the PAC schools will be 1st option whether they stay or go. If the PAC survives, SDSU goes to the highest bidder (probably the PAC). Then I can see partials for Memphis and either SDSU or UCONN and maybe a full Olympic share for Gonzaga (up to 8 mil).

What would be gained by these partials?

(05-30-2023 07:53 PM)splitstud Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 06:24 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 11:48 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 08:13 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 07:53 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  We would not. The networks could change their mind in the future, in which case we probably go after Memphis and USF.

Going deeper into this, if the PAC survives, the 1st question is does SDSU join the PAC? If not, SDSU is the 1st choice adding a Cali school in the PST and is a CBS/FOX school. I think Memphis is the 2nd school from best available from the G5, who belongs to ESPN, and then Gonzaga is considered, also ESPN. If SDSU does join the PAC (likely with SMU), then I think UCONN is the 3rd best G5, who is under FOX and CBS, to add with Memphis (ESPN), and then, of course, consider Gonzaga.

With the Big 12 under FOX and ESPN, I don't think ESPN wants to give up 2 ESPN schools that could end up with FOX and the same could be said for 2 FOX schools ending up with ESPN. I think they have to split with SDSU (if available) or UCONN and Memphis. Gonzaga, while being a 2nd ESPN school, would get higher ratings for ESPN under conference play than in the WCC so that could balance out FOX getting some of their games, and basketball ratings wouldn't be nearly as high as football.

Now if the money isn't there for SDSU/UCONN + Memphis and then maybe Gonzaga, expansion won't happen and everyone holds pat until Oregon and Washington bolt for the B1G, and then the Big 12 tries again for the 4C.

First thing to remember is G5 adds likely won't get a full deal on the next contract. ESPN pays Memphis about 7 million per year, they still would get the best of the FB deal with memphis playing B12 rather than AAC schools. If ESPN would pay lets say 8 mil to 10 for memphis, and same for SD ST, Fox may well pay 2/3 or so of their deal for the BB heavy piece of the pie. So lets say it was 7.5 and 6 mil from the 2, The B12 could pay 12 to 13 mil each for 2 schools and those schools get a big bump and B12 current members don't lose a penny over the next 7 years.
That said my preference is 2 or 4 PAC schools.

Yeah, the PAC schools will be 1st option whether they stay or go. If the PAC survives, SDSU goes to the highest bidder (probably the PAC). Then I can see partials for Memphis and either SDSU or UCONN and maybe a full Olympic share for Gonzaga (up to 8 mil).

What would be gained by these partials?

No way SDSU goes anywhere without all sports. Geez, our BB program is one of the 4 best in the West for God's sake. Just went to the national title. By the way, Zona hasn't been to the final four since Luke Olsen did it in 2001, and they have been in the PAC for some 44 years, not MWC. Just don't quite understand the love for Zona on here and in the B12. Their market is a third than of San Diego and they have never done much in football.

(05-30-2023 08:15 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 07:53 PM)splitstud Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 06:24 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 11:48 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 08:13 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  Going deeper into this, if the PAC survives, the 1st question is does SDSU join the PAC? If not, SDSU is the 1st choice adding a Cali school in the PST and is a CBS/FOX school. I think Memphis is the 2nd school from best available from the G5, who belongs to ESPN, and then Gonzaga is considered, also ESPN. If SDSU does join the PAC (likely with SMU), then I think UCONN is the 3rd best G5, who is under FOX and CBS, to add with Memphis (ESPN), and then, of course, consider Gonzaga.

With the Big 12 under FOX and ESPN, I don't think ESPN wants to give up 2 ESPN schools that could end up with FOX and the same could be said for 2 FOX schools ending up with ESPN. I think they have to split with SDSU (if available) or UCONN and Memphis. Gonzaga, while being a 2nd ESPN school, would get higher ratings for ESPN under conference play than in the WCC so that could balance out FOX getting some of their games, and basketball ratings wouldn't be nearly as high as football.

Now if the money isn't there for SDSU/UCONN + Memphis and then maybe Gonzaga, expansion won't happen and everyone holds pat until Oregon and Washington bolt for the B1G, and then the Big 12 tries again for the 4C.

First thing to remember is G5 adds likely won't get a full deal on the next contract. ESPN pays Memphis about 7 million per year, they still would get the best of the FB deal with memphis playing B12 rather than AAC schools. If ESPN would pay lets say 8 mil to 10 for memphis, and same for SD ST, Fox may well pay 2/3 or so of their deal for the BB heavy piece of the pie. So lets say it was 7.5 and 6 mil from the 2, The B12 could pay 12 to 13 mil each for 2 schools and those schools get a big bump and B12 current members don't lose a penny over the next 7 years.
That said my preference is 2 or 4 PAC schools.

Yeah, the PAC schools will be 1st option whether they stay or go. If the PAC survives, SDSU goes to the highest bidder (probably the PAC). Then I can see partials for Memphis and either SDSU or UCONN and maybe a full Olympic share for Gonzaga (up to 8 mil).

What would be gained by these partials?

No way SDSU goes anywhere without all sports. Geez, our BB program is one of the 4 best in the West for God's sake. Just went to the national title. By the way, Zona hasn't been to the final four since Luke Olsen did it in 2001, and they have been in the PAC for some 44 years, not MWC. Just don't quite understand the love for Zona on here and in the B12. Their market is a third than of San Diego and they have never done much in football.

I though by partials he meant conference distributions. Could be wrong.

(05-30-2023 08:15 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 07:53 PM)splitstud Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 06:24 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 11:48 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 08:13 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  Going deeper into this, if the PAC survives, the 1st question is does SDSU join the PAC? If not, SDSU is the 1st choice adding a Cali school in the PST and is a CBS/FOX school. I think Memphis is the 2nd school from best available from the G5, who belongs to ESPN, and then Gonzaga is considered, also ESPN. If SDSU does join the PAC (likely with SMU), then I think UCONN is the 3rd best G5, who is under FOX and CBS, to add with Memphis (ESPN), and then, of course, consider Gonzaga.

With the Big 12 under FOX and ESPN, I don't think ESPN wants to give up 2 ESPN schools that could end up with FOX and the same could be said for 2 FOX schools ending up with ESPN. I think they have to split with SDSU (if available) or UCONN and Memphis. Gonzaga, while being a 2nd ESPN school, would get higher ratings for ESPN under conference play than in the WCC so that could balance out FOX getting some of their games, and basketball ratings wouldn't be nearly as high as football.

Now if the money isn't there for SDSU/UCONN + Memphis and then maybe Gonzaga, expansion won't happen and everyone holds pat until Oregon and Washington bolt for the B1G, and then the Big 12 tries again for the 4C.

First thing to remember is G5 adds likely won't get a full deal on the next contract. ESPN pays Memphis about 7 million per year, they still would get the best of the FB deal with memphis playing B12 rather than AAC schools. If ESPN would pay lets say 8 mil to 10 for memphis, and same for SD ST, Fox may well pay 2/3 or so of their deal for the BB heavy piece of the pie. So lets say it was 7.5 and 6 mil from the 2, The B12 could pay 12 to 13 mil each for 2 schools and those schools get a big bump and B12 current members don't lose a penny over the next 7 years.
That said my preference is 2 or 4 PAC schools.

Yeah, the PAC schools will be 1st option whether they stay or go. If the PAC survives, SDSU goes to the highest bidder (probably the PAC). Then I can see partials for Memphis and either SDSU or UCONN and maybe a full Olympic share for Gonzaga (up to 8 mil).

What would be gained by these partials?

No way SDSU goes anywhere without all sports. Geez, our BB program is one of the 4 best in the West for God's sake. Just went to the national title. By the way, Zona hasn't been to the final four since Luke Olsen did it in 2001, and they have been in the PAC for some 44 years, not MWC. Just don't quite understand the love for Zona on here and in the B12. Their market is a third than of San Diego and they have never done much in football.

Arizona is a massive state university (50,000 students) with a $1.2 billion endowment and a school of medicine. The university is a member of the AAU. The men's basketball program has 11 Elite Eight appearances (including in 2003, 2005, 2011, 2014 and 2015, which you conveniently left out). The baseball program's resume offers four national titles and 42 NCAA Tournament appearances. Even if the so-so Wildcat football program were the worst in FBS (which it is not), the university in general would be very attractive to the Big 12.

If, hypothetically, the Big 12 had a chance to land four ACC programs and Memphis were in a position (related to a possible Big 12 bid) that SDSU is in with the Pac... And if I — as a Memphis fan — posted on this board that the Big 12 should want Memphis over, say, N.C. State (a good parallel to the University of Arizona) ... I would be laughed at. And deservedly so.

Now you might say that SDSU is a more attractive candidate for the Pac than Memphis is for the Big 12. That SDSU brings the Southern California market and all the TV sets and the recent Final Four, etc., etc. I get it. I think SDSU is both qualified for and deserving of the Pac. But in my humble opinion, San Diego State is more like the University Memphis than it is like the University of Arizona.

Sometimes your posts (and this one is an example) simply baffle me, A-Golfer. And I note that with respect, as I have mentioned previously that I was rooting for SDSU to win the national title and tremendously respect what your school has done in academics and athletics.

(05-30-2023 09:06 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 08:15 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 07:53 PM)splitstud Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 06:24 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 11:48 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  First thing to remember is G5 adds likely won't get a full deal on the next contract. ESPN pays Memphis about 7 million per year, they still would get the best of the FB deal with memphis playing B12 rather than AAC schools. If ESPN would pay lets say 8 mil to 10 for memphis, and same for SD ST, Fox may well pay 2/3 or so of their deal for the BB heavy piece of the pie. So lets say it was 7.5 and 6 mil from the 2, The B12 could pay 12 to 13 mil each for 2 schools and those schools get a big bump and B12 current members don't lose a penny over the next 7 years.
That said my preference is 2 or 4 PAC schools.

Yeah, the PAC schools will be 1st option whether they stay or go. If the PAC survives, SDSU goes to the highest bidder (probably the PAC). Then I can see partials for Memphis and either SDSU or UCONN and maybe a full Olympic share for Gonzaga (up to 8 mil).

What would be gained by these partials?

No way SDSU goes anywhere without all sports. Geez, our BB program is one of the 4 best in the West for God's sake. Just went to the national title. By the way, Zona hasn't been to the final four since Luke Olsen did it in 2001, and they have been in the PAC for some 44 years, not MWC. Just don't quite understand the love for Zona on here and in the B12. Their market is a third than of San Diego and they have never done much in football.

Arizona is a massive state university (50,000 students) with a $1.2 billion endowment and a school of medicine. The university is a member of the AAU. The men's basketball program has 11 Elite Eight appearances (including in 2003, 2005, 2011, 2014 and 2015, which you conveniently left out). The baseball program's resume offers four national titles and 42 NCAA Tournament appearances. Even if the so-so Wildcat football program were the worst in FBS (which it is not), the university in general would be very attractive to the Big 12.

If, hypothetically, the Big 12 had a chance to land four ACC programs and Memphis were in a position (related to a possible Big 12 bid) that SDSU is in with the Pac... And if I — as a Memphis fan — posted on this board that the Big 12 should want Memphis over, say, N.C. State (a good parallel to the University of Arizona) ... I would be laughed at. And deservedly so.

Now you might say that SDSU is a more attractive candidate for the Pac than Memphis is for the Big 12. That SDSU brings the Southern California market and all the TV sets and the recent Final Four, etc., etc. I get it. I think SDSU is both qualified for and deserving of the Pac. But in my humble opinion, San Diego State is more like the University Memphis than it is like the University of Arizona.

Sometimes your posts (and this one is an example) simply baffle me, A-Golfer. And I note that with respect, as I have mentioned previously that I was rooting for SDSU to win the national title and tremendously respect what your school has done in academics and athletics.

Yes, SDSU is more valuable to a USCLA less Pac 10 than Memphis is to the Big 12, but SDSU's TV ratings are only 3rd in the MWC, behind Boise and Fresno. Unless there is a factor, like the Pac need for exposure for recruting in Southern California, SDSU just isn't that valuable. The Big 12 didn't include them in the final 11 in 2016 and they weren't in the top 8 last year. And their TV ratings are tiny compared to Arizona. And much smaller than Memphis. They are lower than SMU. https://sicem365.com/s/13048/how-many-vi...am-attract

Now this is just one analysis, but the differences are huge. Arizona is about 3 times SDSU's ratings.

(05-30-2023 08:15 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 07:53 PM)splitstud Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 06:24 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 11:48 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 08:13 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  Going deeper into this, if the PAC survives, the 1st question is does SDSU join the PAC? If not, SDSU is the 1st choice adding a Cali school in the PST and is a CBS/FOX school. I think Memphis is the 2nd school from best available from the G5, who belongs to ESPN, and then Gonzaga is considered, also ESPN. If SDSU does join the PAC (likely with SMU), then I think UCONN is the 3rd best G5, who is under FOX and CBS, to add with Memphis (ESPN), and then, of course, consider Gonzaga.

With the Big 12 under FOX and ESPN, I don't think ESPN wants to give up 2 ESPN schools that could end up with FOX and the same could be said for 2 FOX schools ending up with ESPN. I think they have to split with SDSU (if available) or UCONN and Memphis. Gonzaga, while being a 2nd ESPN school, would get higher ratings for ESPN under conference play than in the WCC so that could balance out FOX getting some of their games, and basketball ratings wouldn't be nearly as high as football.

Now if the money isn't there for SDSU/UCONN + Memphis and then maybe Gonzaga, expansion won't happen and everyone holds pat until Oregon and Washington bolt for the B1G, and then the Big 12 tries again for the 4C.

First thing to remember is G5 adds likely won't get a full deal on the next contract. ESPN pays Memphis about 7 million per year, they still would get the best of the FB deal with memphis playing B12 rather than AAC schools. If ESPN would pay lets say 8 mil to 10 for memphis, and same for SD ST, Fox may well pay 2/3 or so of their deal for the BB heavy piece of the pie. So lets say it was 7.5 and 6 mil from the 2, The B12 could pay 12 to 13 mil each for 2 schools and those schools get a big bump and B12 current members don't lose a penny over the next 7 years.
That said my preference is 2 or 4 PAC schools.

Yeah, the PAC schools will be 1st option whether they stay or go. If the PAC survives, SDSU goes to the highest bidder (probably the PAC). Then I can see partials for Memphis and either SDSU or UCONN and maybe a full Olympic share for Gonzaga (up to 8 mil).

What would be gained by these partials?

No way SDSU goes anywhere without all sports. Geez, our BB program is one of the 4 best in the West for God's sake. Just went to the national title. By the way, Zona hasn't been to the final four since Luke Olsen did it in 2001, and they have been in the PAC for some 44 years, not MWC. Just don't quite understand the love for Zona on here and in the B12. Their market is a third than of San Diego and they have never done much in football.

Are you saying that SDSU basketball is equivalent or superior to Arizona? Let's look at some facts. SDSU, counting their 5 wins this year, has won 14 TOTAL NCAAT games in their entire history. Arizona has missed only 4 NCCAT in the past 40 years, and they've won 31 NCAAT games this century despite their lackluster overall performance (by their own very high standards). I'm not going to go back through and count everybody again like I did for that bluebloods discussion last month, but 31 wins this century is borderline top 10 in the entire NCAA. How good is that? UConn only had 33 wins until a couple months ago, and those 33 wins include 3 Titles and another Final Four.

Arizona is a borderline blue blood in basketball. SDSU is a poor man's Butler (the college, not like the Pennyworth).

(05-30-2023 09:06 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 08:15 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 07:53 PM)splitstud Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 06:24 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 11:48 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  First thing to remember is G5 adds likely won't get a full deal on the next contract. ESPN pays Memphis about 7 million per year, they still would get the best of the FB deal with memphis playing B12 rather than AAC schools. If ESPN would pay lets say 8 mil to 10 for memphis, and same for SD ST, Fox may well pay 2/3 or so of their deal for the BB heavy piece of the pie. So lets say it was 7.5 and 6 mil from the 2, The B12 could pay 12 to 13 mil each for 2 schools and those schools get a big bump and B12 current members don't lose a penny over the next 7 years.
That said my preference is 2 or 4 PAC schools.

Yeah, the PAC schools will be 1st option whether they stay or go. If the PAC survives, SDSU goes to the highest bidder (probably the PAC). Then I can see partials for Memphis and either SDSU or UCONN and maybe a full Olympic share for Gonzaga (up to 8 mil).

What would be gained by these partials?

No way SDSU goes anywhere without all sports. Geez, our BB program is one of the 4 best in the West for God's sake. Just went to the national title. By the way, Zona hasn't been to the final four since Luke Olsen did it in 2001, and they have been in the PAC for some 44 years, not MWC. Just don't quite understand the love for Zona on here and in the B12. Their market is a third than of San Diego and they have never done much in football.

Arizona is a massive state university (50,000 students) with a $1.2 billion endowment and a school of medicine. The university is a member of the AAU. The men's basketball program has 11 Elite Eight appearances (including in 2003, 2005, 2011, 2014 and 2015, which you conveniently left out). The baseball program's resume offers four national titles and 42 NCAA Tournament appearances. Even if the so-so Wildcat football program were the worst in FBS (which it is not), the university in general would be very attractive to the Big 12.

If, hypothetically, the Big 12 had a chance to land four ACC programs and Memphis were in a position (related to a possible Big 12 bid) that SDSU is in with the Pac... And if I — as a Memphis fan — posted on this board that the Big 12 should want Memphis over, say, N.C. State (a good parallel to the University of Arizona) ... I would be laughed at. And deservedly so.

Now you might say that SDSU is a more attractive candidate for the Pac than Memphis is for the Big 12. That SDSU brings the Southern California market and all the TV sets and the recent Final Four, etc., etc. I get it. I think SDSU is both qualified for and deserving of the Pac. But in my humble opinion, San Diego State is more like the University Memphis than it is like the University of Arizona.

Sometimes your posts (and this one is an example) simply baffle me, A-Golfer. And I note that with respect, as I have mentioned previously that I was rooting for SDSU to win the national title and tremendously respect what your school has done in academics and athletics.

Memphis is better overall Athletically than SDSU, but they're comparable. SDSU is better by a bit Academically, but Memphis has better Geography for the big 12 and ACC, and acceptable geography for the Pac. So, I'd agree that they're roughly comparable for the big 12, while SDSU makes more sense for the Pac and Memphis makes more sense for the ACC (when/if they start looking again).

I'd give Arizona a decent edge over NC St for a conference like the big 12 that could fit either of them geographically b/c they're a Flagship AAU and they're Elite in Basketball. NC St is a bit better in football, but not by much, and there's no way for them to make up for lack of Flagship (or even co-Flagship) status and lack of AAU membership. If the big 12 gets Arizona and Colorado, they'll only be 1 AAU member behind the Pac...meaning that if any other AAU schools (hello Utah!) switch sides, they'd actually swing the balance of AAU power to the big 12. NC State can't offer that, or anything like that.

(05-30-2023 09:06 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 08:15 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 07:53 PM)splitstud Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 06:24 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 11:48 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  First thing to remember is G5 adds likely won't get a full deal on the next contract. ESPN pays Memphis about 7 million per year, they still would get the best of the FB deal with memphis playing B12 rather than AAC schools. If ESPN would pay lets say 8 mil to 10 for memphis, and same for SD ST, Fox may well pay 2/3 or so of their deal for the BB heavy piece of the pie. So lets say it was 7.5 and 6 mil from the 2, The B12 could pay 12 to 13 mil each for 2 schools and those schools get a big bump and B12 current members don't lose a penny over the next 7 years.
That said my preference is 2 or 4 PAC schools.

Yeah, the PAC schools will be 1st option whether they stay or go. If the PAC survives, SDSU goes to the highest bidder (probably the PAC). Then I can see partials for Memphis and either SDSU or UCONN and maybe a full Olympic share for Gonzaga (up to 8 mil).

What would be gained by these partials?

No way SDSU goes anywhere without all sports. Geez, our BB program is one of the 4 best in the West for God's sake. Just went to the national title. By the way, Zona hasn't been to the final four since Luke Olsen did it in 2001, and they have been in the PAC for some 44 years, not MWC. Just don't quite understand the love for Zona on here and in the B12. Their market is a third than of San Diego and they have never done much in football.

Arizona is a massive state university (50,000 students) with a $1.2 billion endowment and a school of medicine. The university is a member of the AAU. The men's basketball program has 11 Elite Eight appearances (including in 2003, 2005, 2011, 2014 and 2015, which you conveniently left out). The baseball program's resume offers four national titles and 42 NCAA Tournament appearances. Even if the so-so Wildcat football program were the worst in FBS (which it is not), the university in general would be very attractive to the Big 12.

If, hypothetically, the Big 12 had a chance to land four ACC programs and Memphis were in a position (related to a possible Big 12 bid) that SDSU is in with the Pac... And if I — as a Memphis fan — posted on this board that the Big 12 should want Memphis over, say, N.C. State (a good parallel to the University of Arizona) ... I would be laughed at. And deservedly so.

Now you might say that SDSU is a more attractive candidate for the Pac than Memphis is for the Big 12. That SDSU brings the Southern California market and all the TV sets and the recent Final Four, etc., etc. I get it. I think SDSU is both qualified for and deserving of the Pac. But in my humble opinion, San Diego State is more like the University Memphis than it is like the University of Arizona.

Sometimes your posts (and this one is an example) simply baffle me, A-Golfer. And I note that with respect, as I have mentioned previously that I was rooting for SDSU to win the national title and tremendously respect what your school has done in academics and athletics.

Well said about Arizona.

IMO, Arizona is way more desirable than SDSU, and it is considerably more valuable than the current "nB12 average".

Which is exactly why nB12 seems to be licking its chops at the prospect of adding them.

The Forde/Dellinger podcast makes it clear that Yormark really wants to make a go at being a basketball superleague and Gonzaga/Uconn is real

(05-30-2023 09:06 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 08:15 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 07:53 PM)splitstud Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 06:24 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 11:48 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  First thing to remember is G5 adds likely won't get a full deal on the next contract. ESPN pays Memphis about 7 million per year, they still would get the best of the FB deal with memphis playing B12 rather than AAC schools. If ESPN would pay lets say 8 mil to 10 for memphis, and same for SD ST, Fox may well pay 2/3 or so of their deal for the BB heavy piece of the pie. So lets say it was 7.5 and 6 mil from the 2, The B12 could pay 12 to 13 mil each for 2 schools and those schools get a big bump and B12 current members don't lose a penny over the next 7 years.
That said my preference is 2 or 4 PAC schools.

Yeah, the PAC schools will be 1st option whether they stay or go. If the PAC survives, SDSU goes to the highest bidder (probably the PAC). Then I can see partials for Memphis and either SDSU or UCONN and maybe a full Olympic share for Gonzaga (up to 8 mil).

What would be gained by these partials?

No way SDSU goes anywhere without all sports. Geez, our BB program is one of the 4 best in the West for God's sake. Just went to the national title. By the way, Zona hasn't been to the final four since Luke Olsen did it in 2001, and they have been in the PAC for some 44 years, not MWC. Just don't quite understand the love for Zona on here and in the B12. Their market is a third than of San Diego and they have never done much in football.

I though by partials he meant conference distributions. Could be wrong.

This is correct, partial media money payouts, not football only or olympic sports only.

When are these meetings scheduled?

Gotta say---while adding Gonzaga is intriguing---I dont have much interest in that move unless it part of a larger expansion including 4-to-6 Pac12 teams. Adding just Gonzaga and UConn---and then layering on some G5's seems too gimmicky to me. Almost desperate. There is no need to do anything like that when solid P5 prospects may be options within the the next few years (certainly within the decade). Pac12 schools and some ACC left behinds might be very interested in joining a solid "best of the rest" type conference with good football and elite basketball---and reasonable geography.

(05-31-2023 11:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Gotta say---while adding Gonzaga is intriguing---I dont have much interest in that move unless it part of a larger expansion including 4-to-6 Pac12 teams. Adding just Gonzaga and UConn---and then layering on some G5's seems too gimmicky to me. Almost desperate. There is no need to do anything like that when solid P5 prospects may be options within the the next few years (certainly within the decade). Pac12 schools and some ACC left behinds might be very interested in joining a solid "best of the rest" type conference with good football and elite basketball---and reasonable geography.

Gonzaga/UConn as a standalone combo feels more like a resume builder than what's actually best long-term for the conference.

(05-30-2023 09:06 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 08:15 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 07:53 PM)splitstud Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 06:24 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 11:48 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  First thing to remember is G5 adds likely won't get a full deal on the next contract. ESPN pays Memphis about 7 million per year, they still would get the best of the FB deal with memphis playing B12 rather than AAC schools. If ESPN would pay lets say 8 mil to 10 for memphis, and same for SD ST, Fox may well pay 2/3 or so of their deal for the BB heavy piece of the pie. So lets say it was 7.5 and 6 mil from the 2, The B12 could pay 12 to 13 mil each for 2 schools and those schools get a big bump and B12 current members don't lose a penny over the next 7 years.
That said my preference is 2 or 4 PAC schools.

Yeah, the PAC schools will be 1st option whether they stay or go. If the PAC survives, SDSU goes to the highest bidder (probably the PAC). Then I can see partials for Memphis and either SDSU or UCONN and maybe a full Olympic share for Gonzaga (up to 8 mil).

What would be gained by these partials?

No way SDSU goes anywhere without all sports. Geez, our BB program is one of the 4 best in the West for God's sake. Just went to the national title. By the way, Zona hasn't been to the final four since Luke Olsen did it in 2001, and they have been in the PAC for some 44 years, not MWC. Just don't quite understand the love for Zona on here and in the B12. Their market is a third than of San Diego and they have never done much in football.

Arizona is a massive state university (50,000 students) with a $1.2 billion endowment and a school of medicine. The university is a member of the AAU. The men's basketball program has 11 Elite Eight appearances (including in 2003, 2005, 2011, 2014 and 2015, which you conveniently left out). The baseball program's resume offers four national titles and 42 NCAA Tournament appearances. Even if the so-so Wildcat football program were the worst in FBS (which it is not), the university in general would be very attractive to the Big 12.

If, hypothetically, the Big 12 had a chance to land four ACC programs and Memphis were in a position (related to a possible Big 12 bid) that SDSU is in with the Pac... And if I — as a Memphis fan — posted on this board that the Big 12 should want Memphis over, say, N.C. State (a good parallel to the University of Arizona) ... I would be laughed at. And deservedly so.

Now you might say that SDSU is a more attractive candidate for the Pac than Memphis is for the Big 12. That SDSU brings the Southern California market and all the TV sets and the recent Final Four, etc., etc. I get it. I think SDSU is both qualified for and deserving of the Pac. But in my humble opinion, San Diego State is more like the University Memphis than it is like the University of Arizona.

Sometimes your posts (and this one is an example) simply baffle me, A-Golfer. And I note that with respect, as I have mentioned previously that I was rooting for SDSU to win the national title and tremendously respect what your school has done in academics and athletics.

I'm speaking from a purely athletic point of view on Zona. Their academics fit the PAC more than the B12 which is why they are unlikely to leave unless the B1G came calling, despite Jason Scheer's wishes. ASU would be the better target in Arizona given their location in Phoenix. Tucson is a small market. But, when it comes down to it, football is what drives realignment and Zona has never done much in that sport. Gonzaga has had the better BB program over the last decade in the West and I don't think they move the needle for the B12.

My thoughts would be adding based on what they think the SEC and Big Ten would do. I think it's better to add the C4 schools plus San Diego State and UNLV to get to 16. Especially iff you expect them to raid the ACC. The Big 12 would probably expect or want the ACC to backfill with Cincinnati, UCF and West Virginia. Simply adding UTSA gets them back to 14. Assuming UTSA uses the AAC money well and its programs do well. If they're still on the table Oregon and Washington could be 15 and 16 if they are still good. Worse case scenario add Fresno state (to double up recruiting games in California) and Nevada. While not great adds the last 2 add either increased access to California or add another conference rivalry.

(05-30-2023 10:01 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 08:15 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 07:53 PM)splitstud Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 06:24 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 11:48 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  First thing to remember is G5 adds likely won't get a full deal on the next contract. ESPN pays Memphis about 7 million per year, they still would get the best of the FB deal with memphis playing B12 rather than AAC schools. If ESPN would pay lets say 8 mil to 10 for memphis, and same for SD ST, Fox may well pay 2/3 or so of their deal for the BB heavy piece of the pie. So lets say it was 7.5 and 6 mil from the 2, The B12 could pay 12 to 13 mil each for 2 schools and those schools get a big bump and B12 current members don't lose a penny over the next 7 years.
That said my preference is 2 or 4 PAC schools.

Yeah, the PAC schools will be 1st option whether they stay or go. If the PAC survives, SDSU goes to the highest bidder (probably the PAC). Then I can see partials for Memphis and either SDSU or UCONN and maybe a full Olympic share for Gonzaga (up to 8 mil).

What would be gained by these partials?

No way SDSU goes anywhere without all sports. Geez, our BB program is one of the 4 best in the West for God's sake. Just went to the national title. By the way, Zona hasn't been to the final four since Luke Olsen did it in 2001, and they have been in the PAC for some 44 years, not MWC. Just don't quite understand the love for Zona on here and in the B12. Their market is a third than of San Diego and they have never done much in football.

Are you saying that SDSU basketball is equivalent or superior to Arizona? Let's look at some facts. SDSU, counting their 5 wins this year, has won 14 TOTAL NCAAT games in their entire history. Arizona has missed only 4 NCCAT in the past 40 years, and they've won 31 NCAAT games this century despite their lackluster overall performance (by their own very high standards). I'm not going to go back through and count everybody again like I did for that bluebloods discussion last month, but 31 wins this century is borderline top 10 in the entire NCAA. How good is that? UConn only had 33 wins until a couple months ago, and those 33 wins include 3 Titles and another Final Four.

Arizona is a borderline blue blood in basketball. SDSU is a poor man's Butler (the college, not like the Pennyworth).

No, I'd rate Zona behind Gonzaga and ahead of UCLA over the last decade. SDSU close behind with Oregon who is hit or miss. UCLA got better with the signing of Cronin though the travel in the B1G will be harder on his team's than football. Will have to see if that has a negative effect on the program. Again, I am speaking to market size for the most part, and football success. Tucson is a small market. ASU would be the bigger prize in Arizona. Not saying the B12 wouldn't take Zona, I think they would take most any PAC school. But, there are PAC schools they would value more, namely CU and ASU. I've seen arguments against getting Utah, as some B12 people think they would be redundant since they have BYU. You could say ASU gives them the state and is in the biggest city in that state. Just remember, though, that Arizona's athletics revenues, given their P5 affiliation of 44 years, is nearly double what SDSU currently has as a G5. SDSU's potential to improve is higher than Arizona's in conference realignment and it is in a better market. You mention baseball. San Diego turns out some great baseball players as well, play year round here. Very good place for recruiting. Not sure what kids in Tucson do in summer, given the heat. I suspect more stuff inside. As for recruiting in other sports such as football or basketball, San Diego, again, would be on a higher plane than Tucson as well. I remember seeing a graph of the relative values of each PAC school athletically and Zona was in the bottom half of that.

In my opinion more Gonzaga/UConn talk signals that the B12 doesn’t expect ASU/Utah are coming. Gonzaga was put on the back burner but now it seems like Yormark is ready to make a move.

It also appears that the B12 is still hoping for Colorado and Zona. If the B12 gets Colorado/Zona/Zaga/UConn, I would still call it a success. If all they get are Zaga/UConn coupled with two of SDSU/UNLV/Memphis/USF, not many people would be impressed.

(05-31-2023 08:38 AM)ken d Wrote:  When are these meetings scheduled?

This Friday and Saturday in West Virginia.

Both AZ and CU will reportedly have boots on the ground.

UConn / Colorado?

(05-31-2023 11:41 AM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 09:06 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 08:15 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 07:53 PM)splitstud Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 06:24 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  Yeah, the PAC schools will be 1st option whether they stay or go. If the PAC survives, SDSU goes to the highest bidder (probably the PAC). Then I can see partials for Memphis and either SDSU or UCONN and maybe a full Olympic share for Gonzaga (up to 8 mil).

What would be gained by these partials?

No way SDSU goes anywhere without all sports. Geez, our BB program is one of the 4 best in the West for God's sake. Just went to the national title. By the way, Zona hasn't been to the final four since Luke Olsen did it in 2001, and they have been in the PAC for some 44 years, not MWC. Just don't quite understand the love for Zona on here and in the B12. Their market is a third than of San Diego and they have never done much in football.

Arizona is a massive state university (50,000 students) with a $1.2 billion endowment and a school of medicine. The university is a member of the AAU. The men's basketball program has 11 Elite Eight appearances (including in 2003, 2005, 2011, 2014 and 2015, which you conveniently left out). The baseball program's resume offers four national titles and 42 NCAA Tournament appearances. Even if the so-so Wildcat football program were the worst in FBS (which it is not), the university in general would be very attractive to the Big 12.

If, hypothetically, the Big 12 had a chance to land four ACC programs and Memphis were in a position (related to a possible Big 12 bid) that SDSU is in with the Pac... And if I — as a Memphis fan — posted on this board that the Big 12 should want Memphis over, say, N.C. State (a good parallel to the University of Arizona) ... I would be laughed at. And deservedly so.

Now you might say that SDSU is a more attractive candidate for the Pac than Memphis is for the Big 12. That SDSU brings the Southern California market and all the TV sets and the recent Final Four, etc., etc. I get it. I think SDSU is both qualified for and deserving of the Pac. But in my humble opinion, San Diego State is more like the University Memphis than it is like the University of Arizona.

Sometimes your posts (and this one is an example) simply baffle me, A-Golfer. And I note that with respect, as I have mentioned previously that I was rooting for SDSU to win the national title and tremendously respect what your school has done in academics and athletics.

I'm speaking from a purely athletic point of view on Zona. Their academics fit the PAC more than the B12 which is why they are unlikely to leave unless the B1G came calling, despite Jason Scheer's wishes. ASU would be the better target in Arizona given their location in Phoenix. Tucson is a small market. But, when it comes down to it, football is what drives realignment and Zona has never done much in that sport. Gonzaga has had the better BB program over the last decade in the West and I don't think they move the needle for the B12.

Arizona finished 53rd (respectable but not great) in the most recent Learfield Cup for winter's sports (SDSU finished 97th). Spring sports ranking will be released in mid-June.

Historically, UA sports have finished in the top 30 in the Learfield Cup standings. Overall, Arizona offers a quality and well-rounded athletics program, though I agree with you that Zona football needs improving.

Tucscon might be a small market but Arizona is THE state university of a state with 7.45 million.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/2018/7/1/1...sports-asu