(03-28-2023 10:36 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  I won’t bring religion into this so I’ll keep it “scientific” with my thoughts.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/
“Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide”


From the FBI:
“FBI hate crime statistics showing that there were 2 trans hate crime murders in 2021, and only 278 anti-trans hate crimes overall, including petty offenses like vandalism.”

My thoughts are this is undoubtedly mental illness from the two data points above. With the rates of suicide that high there is clearly self hatred or whatever for the suicide stats to be so high. The FBI stats show the hate against these people clearly is not a huge issue.

My thoughts are the normalization and constant victim mindset of this is making the small number take their own self hatred out on others. It is not normal to be trans.

With that said, if I know someone personally that was I would have the you do you and I’ll keep my distance from now on mindset. There is also nothing wrong with that as it is not normal.

If one asked my true thoughts which I would never provide in person unless asked then yes I believe they are sick mentally ill people that I’d preferably not associate closely with. Will I still show respect for the person as a human if I interacted. Of course but there is no chance one can ever convince me this self identifying group is some great thing for the world and needs to be pushed on everyone else as some discriminated group bs.

And some want to take guns away for acts by the very people they celebrate. Joke.

They give me the creeps.

Meanwhile, even 3rd world countries are laughing at the fact that we have virtually unlimited money, yet this is the best we can come up with. We will destroy ourselves before any outside threats have a chance. Who will we blame then?

(03-28-2023 10:25 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:01 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:46 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:41 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:33 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Go back to the 2A where it says shall be infringed...

I haven't proposed anything that infringes on the second amendment. Nothing about a gun storage law infringes on your right to buy or own a gun.

I'm simply looking at real ways to stop the flow of guns to criminals. Stolen guns is a massive source of illegal guns. If we secure the legal guns and slow the flow of stolen guns to criminals then as criminals are arrested and their guns seized then the number of guns in the hands of criminals is reduced.

So my gun is secured.. Locked safe and all.. Someone breaks into my house and somehow hauls my safe away (it's happened).. They break into the safe and commit a crime with one of my guns.. I'm responsible?

No, because you stored you firearm in a safe manner.

So let's play devil advocate...

My car is broken into.. Gun was stolen.. Used in a crime..

I claim it was secured in a handgun safe...

Who's going to know if that was the truth or not?

When you report stolen gun there would be a police report taken in person. No more of these lazy phone police reports.

If you tell the cop it was stored in a secured container, there would be evidence that they opened the container, cut the cable, ripped the container out.

(03-28-2023 10:25 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:16 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:02 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:01 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:46 AM)gdunn Wrote:  So my gun is secured.. Locked safe and all.. Someone breaks into my house and somehow hauls my safe away (it's happened).. They break into the safe and commit a crime with one of my guns.. I'm responsible?

No, because you stored you firearm in a safe manner.

It doesn't matter if it your gun is on the kitchen table. You are NOT RESPONSIBLE for someone else breaking the law.

Would you say it's irresponsible gun ownership to leave your gun in your car without having a locked gun safe to put it in? I would.

If they see the safe they know there is something in the car worth breaking into it for. As others have stated those safes can be broken in to.
How about we punish the criminals and leave the others alone.

I installed my safe under the seat where you can't see it, cabled to a seat rail bolt.

Installing it in plain site seems rather stupid.

(03-28-2023 10:44 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:25 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:01 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:46 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:41 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I haven't proposed anything that infringes on the second amendment. Nothing about a gun storage law infringes on your right to buy or own a gun.

I'm simply looking at real ways to stop the flow of guns to criminals. Stolen guns is a massive source of illegal guns. If we secure the legal guns and slow the flow of stolen guns to criminals then as criminals are arrested and their guns seized then the number of guns in the hands of criminals is reduced.

So my gun is secured.. Locked safe and all.. Someone breaks into my house and somehow hauls my safe away (it's happened).. They break into the safe and commit a crime with one of my guns.. I'm responsible?

No, because you stored you firearm in a safe manner.

So let's play devil advocate...

My car is broken into.. Gun was stolen.. Used in a crime..

I claim it was secured in a handgun safe...

Who's going to know if that was the truth or not?

When you report stolen gun there would be a police report taken in person. No more of these lazy phone police reports.

If you tell the cop it was stored in a secured container, there would be evidence that they opened the container, cut the cable, ripped the container out.

Yea instead of just taking it home and working on it, I'm going to sit there and pry it open..

Officer: You said your gun was stolen?
Me: Yep. Had it in my safe. They took safe and all.

Handgun safes are not large at all, and a criminal risks being caught while trying to break into one of them sitting at the scene of the crime.

(03-28-2023 10:12 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:52 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:41 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:33 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 08:55 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Go back and quote where I said we should take weapons away from law abiding gun owners.

I’ll wait.

Go back to the 2A where it says shall be infringed...

I'm simply looking at real ways to stop the flow of guns to criminals.

Ohhhh, I get it now. Because all the criminals caught with illegal guns now ALWAYS end up off the streets forever and never again have an opportunity to obtain another illegal gun, whether it be a black market item whose origins cant reliably be traced or not. Right?

Remember, THIS is the Democrat Party's idea of how to treat their own Criminals...what is the message they send to their minions? Stop the Criminals, who are mostly Lefties, and you stop this from happening.

other than the ones Obama sent to Mexico. Fast and Furious anyone.

(03-28-2023 10:01 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:46 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:41 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:33 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 08:55 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Go back and quote where I said we should take weapons away from law abiding gun owners.

I’ll wait.

Go back to the 2A where it says shall be infringed...

I haven't proposed anything that infringes on the second amendment. Nothing about a gun storage law infringes on your right to buy or own a gun.

I'm simply looking at real ways to stop the flow of guns to criminals. Stolen guns is a massive source of illegal guns. If we secure the legal guns and slow the flow of stolen guns to criminals then as criminals are arrested and their guns seized then the number of guns in the hands of criminals is reduced.

So my gun is secured.. Locked safe and all.. Someone breaks into my house and somehow hauls my safe away (it's happened).. They break into the safe and commit a crime with one of my guns.. I'm responsible?

No, because you stored you firearm in a safe manner.

Does your same logic apply to cars, knives and hammers?

(03-28-2023 10:16 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:02 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:01 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:46 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:41 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I haven't proposed anything that infringes on the second amendment. Nothing about a gun storage law infringes on your right to buy or own a gun.

I'm simply looking at real ways to stop the flow of guns to criminals. Stolen guns is a massive source of illegal guns. If we secure the legal guns and slow the flow of stolen guns to criminals then as criminals are arrested and their guns seized then the number of guns in the hands of criminals is reduced.

So my gun is secured.. Locked safe and all.. Someone breaks into my house and somehow hauls my safe away (it's happened).. They break into the safe and commit a crime with one of my guns.. I'm responsible?

No, because you stored you firearm in a safe manner.

It doesn't matter if it your gun is on the kitchen table. You are NOT RESPONSIBLE for someone else breaking the law.

Would you say it's irresponsible gun ownership to leave your gun in your car without having a locked gun safe to put it in? I would.

Nope.
It’s in my LOCKED CAR.

(03-28-2023 10:51 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:01 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:46 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:41 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:33 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Go back to the 2A where it says shall be infringed...

I haven't proposed anything that infringes on the second amendment. Nothing about a gun storage law infringes on your right to buy or own a gun.

I'm simply looking at real ways to stop the flow of guns to criminals. Stolen guns is a massive source of illegal guns. If we secure the legal guns and slow the flow of stolen guns to criminals then as criminals are arrested and their guns seized then the number of guns in the hands of criminals is reduced.

So my gun is secured.. Locked safe and all.. Someone breaks into my house and somehow hauls my safe away (it's happened).. They break into the safe and commit a crime with one of my guns.. I'm responsible?

No, because you stored you firearm in a safe manner.

Does your same logic apply to cars, knives and hammers?

or chemistry books

(03-28-2023 10:46 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:25 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:16 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:02 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:01 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  No, because you stored you firearm in a safe manner.

It doesn't matter if it your gun is on the kitchen table. You are NOT RESPONSIBLE for someone else breaking the law.

Would you say it's irresponsible gun ownership to leave your gun in your car without having a locked gun safe to put it in? I would.

If they see the safe they know there is something in the car worth breaking into it for. As others have stated those safes can be broken in to.
How about we punish the criminals and leave the others alone.

I installed my safe under the seat where you can't see it, cabled to a seat rail bolt.

Installing it in plain site seems rather stupid.

It doesn't have to be in plain site. If any part of it was visible to the right person they would know it was there. Again go after the one's committing the crime and leave the rest of us alone.

prog filth should turn their guns in. live up to your ideals.

(03-28-2023 10:49 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:44 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:25 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:01 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:46 AM)gdunn Wrote:  So my gun is secured.. Locked safe and all.. Someone breaks into my house and somehow hauls my safe away (it's happened).. They break into the safe and commit a crime with one of my guns.. I'm responsible?

No, because you stored you firearm in a safe manner.

So let's play devil advocate...

My car is broken into.. Gun was stolen.. Used in a crime..

I claim it was secured in a handgun safe...

Who's going to know if that was the truth or not?

When you report stolen gun there would be a police report taken in person. No more of these lazy phone police reports.

If you tell the cop it was stored in a secured container, there would be evidence that they opened the container, cut the cable, ripped the container out.

Yea instead of just taking it home and working on it, I'm going to sit there and pry it open..

Officer: You said your gun was stolen?
Me: Yep. Had it in my safe. They took safe and all.

Handgun safes are not large at all, and a criminal risks being caught while trying to break into one of them sitting at the scene of the crime.

They attach to the car with a steel cable. Mine is bolted to the seat rail bolt.

So you either have to pry the box, cut the cord, or remove the seat rail bolts. All of which take much more time than just grabbing a handgun from the glove box.

They make steel lock boxes that install in the center console of a lot of trucks and SUVs. They make lock boxes that install under the rear floor mat of a dodge Ram.

Being a responsible gun owner isn’t hard, keep it on your person or lock it up in a steel container attached to something.

You are trying to make it hard.

If the left would actually offer more solutions than gun control then maybe you would see more common ground.

- School safety initiatives
- enforcing current gun laws
- mandatory armed police depending on size of school
- media cannot disclose name or motive on TV or print.

Most of the school shooters are copycats, they want to be infamous forever because they are losers and/or have a mental illness that is undisclosed.

(03-28-2023 10:44 AM)Todor Wrote:  Meanwhile, even 3rd world countries are laughing at the fact that we have virtually unlimited money, yet this is the best we can come up with. We will destroy ourselves before any outside threats have a chance. Who will we blame then?

Actually, we will destroy ourselves because of outside influences in our society. You probably being one of them.
We allow China and communist Russia to infiltrate our media, Hollywood, our educational system, the social media platforms, and lastly, but not least of all our very Congress. Until we decide to become a patriotic and self-aware country again we will continue to decline. Interestingly, that is exactly what make America great again actually means.

(03-28-2023 11:05 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:44 AM)Todor Wrote:  Meanwhile, even 3rd world countries are laughing at the fact that we have virtually unlimited money, yet this is the best we can come up with. We will destroy ourselves before any outside threats have a chance. Who will we blame then?

Actually, we will destroy ourselves because of outside influences in our society. You probably being one of them.
We allow China and communist Russia to infiltrate our media, Hollywood, our educational system, the social media platforms, and lastly, but not least of all our very Congress. Until we decide to become a patriotic and self-aware country again we will continue to decline. Interestingly, that is exactly what make America great again actually means.

America is too far gone to save. The left has won. The right lost.

(03-28-2023 11:08 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 11:05 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:44 AM)Todor Wrote:  Meanwhile, even 3rd world countries are laughing at the fact that we have virtually unlimited money, yet this is the best we can come up with. We will destroy ourselves before any outside threats have a chance. Who will we blame then?

Actually, we will destroy ourselves because of outside influences in our society. You probably being one of them.
We allow China and communist Russia to infiltrate our media, Hollywood, our educational system, the social media platforms, and lastly, but not least of all our very Congress. Until we decide to become a patriotic and self-aware country again we will continue to decline. Interestingly, that is exactly what make America great again actually means.

America is too far gone to save. The left has won. The right lost.

Not everywhere. Time to split the country.

(03-28-2023 11:03 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  If the left would actually offer more solutions than gun control then maybe you would see more common ground.

- School safety initiatives
- enforcing current gun laws
- mandatory armed police depending on size of school
- media cannot disclose name or motive on TV or print.

Most of the school shooters are copycats, they want to be infamous forever because they are losers and/or have a mental illness that is undisclosed.

The first step is to eliminate zero-tolerance policies in schools. Punishing perpetrators and victims the same (expelling all students in a fight) is teaching these kids that the victims are as much to blame as the perpetrators. Right, wrong, judgement, justice - none of that is applied in discipling children. They don't know what it is.

These shooters think it is okay to do what they do because the people they are killing are just as much to blame as they are. They think that BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN TAUGHT THAT.

(03-28-2023 10:59 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:49 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:44 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:25 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:01 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  No, because you stored you firearm in a safe manner.

So let's play devil advocate...

My car is broken into.. Gun was stolen.. Used in a crime..

I claim it was secured in a handgun safe...

Who's going to know if that was the truth or not?

When you report stolen gun there would be a police report taken in person. No more of these lazy phone police reports.

If you tell the cop it was stored in a secured container, there would be evidence that they opened the container, cut the cable, ripped the container out.

Yea instead of just taking it home and working on it, I'm going to sit there and pry it open..

Officer: You said your gun was stolen?
Me: Yep. Had it in my safe. They took safe and all.

Handgun safes are not large at all, and a criminal risks being caught while trying to break into one of them sitting at the scene of the crime.

They attach to the car with a steel cable. Mine is bolted to the seat rail bolt.

So you either have to pry the box, cut the cord, or remove the seat rail bolts. All of which take much more time than just grabbing a handgun from the glove box.

They make steel lock boxes that install in the center console of a lot of trucks and SUVs. They make lock boxes that install under the rear floor mat of a dodge Ram.

Being a responsible gun owner isn’t hard, keep it on your person or lock it up in a steel container attached to something.

You are trying to make it hard.

Not making it hard.. Shooting holes in your premise. I put mine under the seat so I'm supposed to crawl under the seat to put it in and take it out? Too me that seems to draw too much attention.

(03-28-2023 11:18 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:59 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:49 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:44 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:25 AM)gdunn Wrote:  So let's play devil advocate...

My car is broken into.. Gun was stolen.. Used in a crime..

I claim it was secured in a handgun safe...

Who's going to know if that was the truth or not?

When you report stolen gun there would be a police report taken in person. No more of these lazy phone police reports.

If you tell the cop it was stored in a secured container, there would be evidence that they opened the container, cut the cable, ripped the container out.

Yea instead of just taking it home and working on it, I'm going to sit there and pry it open..

Officer: You said your gun was stolen?
Me: Yep. Had it in my safe. They took safe and all.

Handgun safes are not large at all, and a criminal risks being caught while trying to break into one of them sitting at the scene of the crime.

They attach to the car with a steel cable. Mine is bolted to the seat rail bolt.

So you either have to pry the box, cut the cord, or remove the seat rail bolts. All of which take much more time than just grabbing a handgun from the glove box.

They make steel lock boxes that install in the center console of a lot of trucks and SUVs. They make lock boxes that install under the rear floor mat of a dodge Ram.

Being a responsible gun owner isn’t hard, keep it on your person or lock it up in a steel container attached to something.

You are trying to make it hard.

Not making it hard.. Shooting holes in your premise. I put mine under the seat so I'm supposed to crawl under the seat to put it in and take it out? Too me that seems to draw too much attention.

Same blathering talking points. My .38 sits on my nightstand.

They can frick off