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(12-04-2022 12:35 PM)86 Monarch Wrote:  Do we have a QB on the roster to run this offense?

I really wish I knew what the hell happened with our offense. The actual scheme was a Zone Read RPO. As shown in the clip I posted, the QB has the option to hand off, keep and run or keep and pass, usually based on pre snap reads.

It was actually the perfect scheme for HWs skillset, as he is a vertical runner, not a scrambler and has a strong, and usually accurate arm.
Yet he never "kept". And don't tell me he was scared, because in that scheme he also has the option to pass as well as run.
He NEVER kept! That HAD to be on the OC because no player would be so insubordinate, and the rest of the team would be so angry we would have heard something from leaks.

So we ran that "fake" RPO in the first half of every game, and in the second half switched to a traditional drop back pass.
This format allowed defenses to key on the inside rush the first half and the drop back pass in the second.

Sorry, rant finished. I am still so frustrated at what I believe could have been,

To answer your question
I don't think the predicted new offense will be as friendly to HW because of his lack of pocket presence and poor lateral movement. The old offense was better for him had we had actually run it properly.

A true RPO leaves the defensive end unblocked and the QB hands off or keeps based on the reaction of the DE. We typically do not leave the DE unblocked and thus, i don't think the offense was designed for Wolff to have the option to keep.

They did it a couple times and they also had a play they often ran near the goaline, which was a a fake and then a throw to Kuntz, but the majority of a running plays didn't have a QB run option

(12-04-2022 12:35 PM)86 Monarch Wrote:  Do we have a QB on the roster to run this offense?

I don't think we actually do currently, however I do think that the position has become much more enticing to both potential portal and freshmen qb's.

The official blurb and ODU Sports write up

https://odusports.com/news/2022/12/5/foo...staff.aspx

(12-04-2022 09:46 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  A true RPO leaves the defensive end unblocked and the QB hands off or keeps based on the reaction of the DE. We typically do not leave the DE unblocked and thus, i don't think the offense was designed for Wolff to have the option to keep.

They did it a couple times and they also had a play they often ran near the goaline, which was a a fake and then a throw to Kuntz, but the majority of a running plays didn't have a QB run option

Not even a QB keep option so he could pass. It really WAS a fake fake then. Not difficult to gameplan for that. Two games in and the film would have told a DC all he needed to know.

SMH

Many running plays are run without the option for a QB to run or throw. Im not sure why so much is made of ours.

(12-05-2022 01:03 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Many running plays are run without the option for a QB to run or throw. Im not sure why so much is made of ours.

Because they fake QB keep action every single handoff. No one is buying it.

(12-05-2022 01:12 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 01:03 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Many running plays are run without the option for a QB to run or throw. Im not sure why so much is made of ours.

Because they fake QB keep action every single handoff. No one is buying it.

Which is fine. Many QBs do the same thing. Its either that or just stand there so its not like it hurts anything.

(12-05-2022 01:03 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Many running plays are run without the option for a QB to run or throw. Im not sure why so much is made of ours.

Short answer, because it didn't work.
We ran the same inside zone handoff over and over, and over
Once and awhile Blake would get past the initial surge and into the secondary. Because he was so good those usually went for excellent yardage.
Although those helped his stats, it didn't happen enough, or at the critical times needed to give us a consistent ground attack.

The last game was different, and the CCU game was an anomaly. Between those games, if I am a DC, I stack the box and run blitz the first half. In the 2nd half, I pass blitz and double Ali Jennings. Like Blake Watson, he was able to often make things out of nothing in spite of.
And as with Watson's break-aways, a DC would consider those catches an acceptable risk in the grand scheme of the game.

While you cannot install a new offense within the season, you can certainly modify the one you have. In the final game, HW did indeed keep and run and it actually worked. He also could have passed had such a play been called. Do that a few times, and they will stop stacking the box. We should have made that adjustment early in the season, because doing something repetitively that almost always fails is .

I think there is even a psychological term for that

Well, of course that is what DCs were going to do. We didn't have a passing attack that scared any coach. Thus, an emphasis on stopping the run was a no brainer. There arent magic running plays that would have transformed us into a good offense.

(12-05-2022 01:12 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 01:03 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Many running plays are run without the option for a QB to run or throw. Im not sure why so much is made of ours.

Because they fake QB keep action every single handoff. No one is buying it.

Also, because it was nearly always a very delayed handoff - i.e. you take it, I'll take it kind of thing. If it's just a simple handoff and then have the QB run around the end for no good reason, then it would be a routine fast handoff and get on with the play.

(12-05-2022 01:21 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 01:03 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Many running plays are run without the option for a QB to run or throw. Im not sure why so much is made of ours.

Short answer, because it didn't work.
We ran the same inside zone handoff over and over, and over
Once and awhile Blake would get past the initial surge and into the secondary. Because he was so good those usually went for excellent yardage.
Although those helped his stats, it didn't happen enough, or at the critical times needed to give us a consistent ground attack.

The last game was different, and the CCU game was an anomaly. Between those games, if I am a DC, I stack the box and run blitz the first half. In the 2nd half, I pass blitz and double Ali Jennings. Like Blake Watson, he was able to often make things out of nothing in spite of.
And as with Watson's break-aways, a DC would consider those catches an acceptable risk in the grand scheme of the game.

While you cannot install a new offense within the season, you can certainly modify the one you have. In the final game, HW did indeed keep and run and it actually worked. He also could have passed had such a play been called. Do that a few times, and they will stop stacking the box. We should have made that adjustment early in the season, because doing something repetitively that almost always fails is .

I think there is even a psychological term for that

Yep - Insanity.

(12-03-2022 01:13 PM)Justice2318 Wrote:  Perhaps we can bring WR Carter, WR Wright with him as they are in the portal

We are trying.

(12-07-2022 01:45 PM)ShenValleyMonarch12 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 01:13 PM)Justice2318 Wrote:  Perhaps we can bring WR Carter, WR Wright with him as they are in the portal

We are trying.

He forgot the word "blessed" in his offer tweet.

(12-07-2022 02:53 PM)ODUwildman Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 01:45 PM)ShenValleyMonarch12 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 01:13 PM)Justice2318 Wrote:  Perhaps we can bring WR Carter, WR Wright with him as they are in the portal

We are trying.

He forgot the word "blessed" in his offer tweet.

(12-07-2022 02:54 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 02:53 PM)ODUwildman Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 01:45 PM)ShenValleyMonarch12 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 01:13 PM)Justice2318 Wrote:  Perhaps we can bring WR Carter, WR Wright with him as they are in the portal

We are trying.

He forgot the word "blessed" in his offer tweet.

Checked out his Twitter feed. He has lots of offers and responds the same to each

OC was on Tim Donnelly last week, he said he had just gotten into town and hadn't met our players (in person) yet. He said he sat down (video conference?) with Hayden 3 times, "can tell he cares, can tell he's smart which is good because we are going to put a lot on his and the other quarterbacks' plates." Overall had praise for Hayden "... There's a lot to work with there. If we can quicken up his delivery a little bit, and that comes back to playing fast with confidence, we'll be in tremendous shape."

That said, he also mentioned he was just given access to the portal when hired, he hadn't used it before. I think he is very interested in some of our current QB transfer offers. He liked some comments on Twitter. Did say on the show he reached out to potential transfers and portal players immediately and was recruiting

I think the slow delivery from Wolff causes a ton of problems. I think the previous OC knew it was an issue as well.

(12-15-2022 11:17 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I think the slow delivery from Wolff causes a ton of problems. I think the previous OC knew it was an issue as well.

Even the ESPNU announcers commented on it during the Coastal game. Wolff might not be able to throw faster