(12-02-2022 09:26 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:23 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 08:02 PM)hburg Wrote:  Cusa should be relegated to the FCS.

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This begs the question—who no longer has any business at the FBS level? Why is this a one-way street?

I doubt any school would want to suffer the embarrassment of moving down to FCS, but maybe the FBS standards are too low.

Soft Houston State, Kennesaw, Tarleton, Austin Peay…these moves are just making an FBS P5/G5 split more and more likely.

SMH Yeah because Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are on the same level as AP and Tarleton when KSU budget alone is higher then teams in the SBC and twice AP. Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are FCS playoff winning teams. KSU budget again is twice as large as AP and you are putting then in the same boat. KSU just beat App St in basketball but they are soft. Why are you talking about a school you don't know anything about?

Easy, slugger. Y'all have made the playoffs four times and only made it past the second round one time. And all that has been in a bad (Big South) and mediocre (ASUN) conference. Nothing screams "let's move up" about Kennesaw State to me. But you do you.

(12-02-2022 11:32 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:26 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:23 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 08:02 PM)hburg Wrote:  Cusa should be relegated to the FCS.

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This begs the question—who no longer has any business at the FBS level? Why is this a one-way street?

I doubt any school would want to suffer the embarrassment of moving down to FCS, but maybe the FBS standards are too low.

Soft Houston State, Kennesaw, Tarleton, Austin Peay…these moves are just making an FBS P5/G5 split more and more likely.

SMH Yeah because Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are on the same level as AP and Tarleton when KSU budget alone is higher then teams in the SBC and twice AP. Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are FCS playoff winning teams. KSU budget again is twice as large as AP and you are putting then in the same boat. KSU just beat App St in basketball but they are soft. Why are you talking about a school you don't know anything about?

Easy, slugger. Y'all have made the playoffs four times and only made it past the second round one time. And all that has been in a bad (Big South) and mediocre (ASUN) conference. Nothing screams "let's move up" about Kennesaw State to me. But you do you.

Coastal Carolina and Liberty came from the same Big South conference. Plus KSU has beat top 10/15/20 FCS teams in the playoffs and regular season. Please just stop. look at Georgia State FCS record. We went to the playoffs and won playoff games 4 out of 7 seasons of having a football program.

Bruh this dude again...

Man, the Sun Belt is a conference that's all about fan support and successful football, with lots of our success coming from schools that built their fanbase as an FCS power. Obviously different people have different opinions on what makes an attractive program or you wouldn't see the approach taken by conferences like the AAC, but that's the overwhelming sentiment you're gonna get here. Georgia State and ODU didn't go that route, but they have rivals here and bring a history of good basketball. Plus there's a difference between a couple schools that are big markets with potential, especially when one of them does have very strong fan support, and a conference made up of like three or four schools that fit what SBC people would consider FBS worthy programs and filling out the whole rest of the conference with teams that have no fans and no football history.

There's just no point trying to get Sun Belt people to not see the approach that's been successful for us as the right approach. There's more than one way to skin a cat though and I do hope you guys do well. I obviously want JMU and the SBC to be the most successful, but to the extent that it's possible for everyone to be successful I never want to see a bunch of athletes or a school's athletic program fail. I just don't think you're gonna see much confidence out of many of us here in the CUSA moves, they're adding a bunch of programs that we would've been ashamed to lose to even when we were FCS and it's just hard to see more than one or two panning out.

(12-03-2022 12:28 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  Man, the Sun Belt is a conference that's all about fan support and successful football, with lots of our success coming from schools that built their fanbase as an FCS power. Obviously different people have different opinions on what makes an attractive program or you wouldn't see the approach taken by conferences like the AAC, but that's the overwhelming sentiment you're gonna get here. Georgia State and ODU didn't go that route, but they have rivals here and bring a history of good basketball. Plus there's a difference between a couple schools that are big markets with potential, especially when one of them does have very strong fan support, and a conference made up of like three or four schools that fit what SBC people would consider FBS worthy programs and filling out the whole rest of the conference with teams that have no fans and no football history.

There's just no point trying to get Sun Belt people to not see the approach that's been successful for us as the right approach. There's more than one way to skin a cat though and I do hope you guys do well. I obviously want JMU and the SBC to be the most successful, but to the extent that it's possible for everyone to be successful I never want to see a bunch of athletes or a school's athletic program fail. I just don't think you're gonna see much confidence out of many of us here in the CUSA moves, they're adding a bunch of programs that we would've been ashamed to lose to even when we were FCS and it's just hard to see more than one or two panning out.

SMH Yeah because KSU, JSU, SHSU were bad FCS programs. When Georgia State combine wins in the FCS was 5 and KSU and Georgia Southern owns then in baseball.

(12-02-2022 11:34 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 11:32 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:26 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:23 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 08:02 PM)hburg Wrote:  Cusa should be relegated to the FCS.

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This begs the question—who no longer has any business at the FBS level? Why is this a one-way street?

I doubt any school would want to suffer the embarrassment of moving down to FCS, but maybe the FBS standards are too low.

Soft Houston State, Kennesaw, Tarleton, Austin Peay…these moves are just making an FBS P5/G5 split more and more likely.

SMH Yeah because Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are on the same level as AP and Tarleton when KSU budget alone is higher then teams in the SBC and twice AP. Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are FCS playoff winning teams. KSU budget again is twice as large as AP and you are putting then in the same boat. KSU just beat App St in basketball but they are soft. Why are you talking about a school you don't know anything about?

Easy, slugger. Y'all have made the playoffs four times and only made it past the second round one time. And all that has been in a bad (Big South) and mediocre (ASUN) conference. Nothing screams "let's move up" about Kennesaw State to me. But you do you.

Coastal Carolina and Liberty came from the same Big South conference. Plus KSU has beat top 10/15/20 FCS teams in the playoffs and regular season. Please just stop. look at Georgia State FCS record. We went to the playoffs and won playoff games 4 out of 7 seasons of having a football program.

Come back when you win a Natty like a real man.

(12-03-2022 12:56 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 11:34 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 11:32 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:26 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:23 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  This begs the question—who no longer has any business at the FBS level? Why is this a one-way street?

I doubt any school would want to suffer the embarrassment of moving down to FCS, but maybe the FBS standards are too low.

Soft Houston State, Kennesaw, Tarleton, Austin Peay…these moves are just making an FBS P5/G5 split more and more likely.

SMH Yeah because Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are on the same level as AP and Tarleton when KSU budget alone is higher then teams in the SBC and twice AP. Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are FCS playoff winning teams. KSU budget again is twice as large as AP and you are putting then in the same boat. KSU just beat App St in basketball but they are soft. Why are you talking about a school you don't know anything about?

Easy, slugger. Y'all have made the playoffs four times and only made it past the second round one time. And all that has been in a bad (Big South) and mediocre (ASUN) conference. Nothing screams "let's move up" about Kennesaw State to me. But you do you.

Coastal Carolina and Liberty came from the same Big South conference. Plus KSU has beat top 10/15/20 FCS teams in the playoffs and regular season. Please just stop. look at Georgia State FCS record. We went to the playoffs and won playoff games 4 out of 7 seasons of having a football program.

Come back when you win a Natty like a real man.

Did Coastal Carolina win a natty?

I think a lot of you have missed some of the point…
By December 9th(1 week from now), college football will really be different than what it is today. I don’t know about Austin Peay situation, but I do know that many of these schools that are moving up are doing so because they think there is enough NIL money out there for them to compete very soon, and they are probably right. There are a few SBC schools that are likely not going to be able to compete with the new faces in FBS very soon.

Take stAte for example….we have a rivalry with Memphis that until recently was a pretty even series…..I’m not certain that we are going to ever be able to compete with them again now that they have fed-ex filling the NIL war chest, and we have nothing to compete with that.

(12-03-2022 12:45 AM)jones682 Wrote:  Yeah because KSU, JSU, SHSU were bad FCS programs.

Yes. Thanks for catching up.

Other than NDST all FCS schools whom have FBS potential have already moved up… we need to shut the door on this. This will do nothing but water us down.

In fact let’s divide out what’s still valuable in CUSA and send the rest back down to FCS. SHSU,Jacksonville St and maybe even FIU are not FBS programs.

(12-02-2022 11:34 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 11:32 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:26 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:23 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 08:02 PM)hburg Wrote:  Cusa should be relegated to the FCS.

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This begs the question—who no longer has any business at the FBS level? Why is this a one-way street?

I doubt any school would want to suffer the embarrassment of moving down to FCS, but maybe the FBS standards are too low.

Soft Houston State, Kennesaw, Tarleton, Austin Peay…these moves are just making an FBS P5/G5 split more and more likely.

SMH Yeah because Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are on the same level as AP and Tarleton when KSU budget alone is higher then teams in the SBC and twice AP. Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are FCS playoff winning teams. KSU budget again is twice as large as AP and you are putting then in the same boat. KSU just beat App St in basketball but they are soft. Why are you talking about a school you don't know anything about?

Easy, slugger. Y'all have made the playoffs four times and only made it past the second round one time. And all that has been in a bad (Big South) and mediocre (ASUN) conference. Nothing screams "let's move up" about Kennesaw State to me. But you do you.

Coastal Carolina and Liberty came from the same Big South conference. Plus KSU has beat top 10/15/20 FCS teams in the playoffs and regular season. Please just stop. look at Georgia State FCS record. We went to the playoffs and won playoff games 4 out of 7 seasons of having a football program.

Coastal and Liberty were light years ahead of where Kennesaw is now. I may hate Liberty but both of us where capable of a move.

(12-03-2022 01:06 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 12:56 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 11:34 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 11:32 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:26 PM)jones682 Wrote:  SMH Yeah because Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are on the same level as AP and Tarleton when KSU budget alone is higher then teams in the SBC and twice AP. Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are FCS playoff winning teams. KSU budget again is twice as large as AP and you are putting then in the same boat. KSU just beat App St in basketball but they are soft. Why are you talking about a school you don't know anything about?

Easy, slugger. Y'all have made the playoffs four times and only made it past the second round one time. And all that has been in a bad (Big South) and mediocre (ASUN) conference. Nothing screams "let's move up" about Kennesaw State to me. But you do you.

Coastal Carolina and Liberty came from the same Big South conference. Plus KSU has beat top 10/15/20 FCS teams in the playoffs and regular season. Please just stop. look at Georgia State FCS record. We went to the playoffs and won playoff games 4 out of 7 seasons of having a football program.

Come back when you win a Natty like a real man.

Did Coastal Carolina win a natty?

They did actually

The doors are closed to FCS to the Sun Belt.

We COULD add two more. But from a pool of East Carolina, Memphis, WKU, MTSU, La Tech, Liberty.

(12-03-2022 07:54 AM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 11:34 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 11:32 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:26 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:23 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  This begs the question—who no longer has any business at the FBS level? Why is this a one-way street?

I doubt any school would want to suffer the embarrassment of moving down to FCS, but maybe the FBS standards are too low.

Soft Houston State, Kennesaw, Tarleton, Austin Peay…these moves are just making an FBS P5/G5 split more and more likely.

SMH Yeah because Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are on the same level as AP and Tarleton when KSU budget alone is higher then teams in the SBC and twice AP. Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are FCS playoff winning teams. KSU budget again is twice as large as AP and you are putting then in the same boat. KSU just beat App St in basketball but they are soft. Why are you talking about a school you don't know anything about?

Easy, slugger. Y'all have made the playoffs four times and only made it past the second round one time. And all that has been in a bad (Big South) and mediocre (ASUN) conference. Nothing screams "let's move up" about Kennesaw State to me. But you do you.

Coastal Carolina and Liberty came from the same Big South conference. Plus KSU has beat top 10/15/20 FCS teams in the playoffs and regular season. Please just stop. look at Georgia State FCS record. We went to the playoffs and won playoff games 4 out of 7 seasons of having a football program.

Coastal and Liberty were light years ahead of where Kennesaw is now. I may hate Liberty but both of us where capable of a move.

Yeah because KSU had a higher budget than Coastal before they moved up. lol

(12-03-2022 08:53 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 01:06 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 12:56 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 11:34 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 11:32 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  Easy, slugger. Y'all have made the playoffs four times and only made it past the second round one time. And all that has been in a bad (Big South) and mediocre (ASUN) conference. Nothing screams "let's move up" about Kennesaw State to me. But you do you.

Coastal Carolina and Liberty came from the same Big South conference. Plus KSU has beat top 10/15/20 FCS teams in the playoffs and regular season. Please just stop. look at Georgia State FCS record. We went to the playoffs and won playoff games 4 out of 7 seasons of having a football program.

Come back when you win a Natty like a real man.

Did Coastal Carolina win a natty?

They did actually

FCS football

(12-03-2022 07:40 AM)Herdforlife Wrote:  Other than NDST all FCS schools whom have FBS potential have already moved up… we need to shut the door on this. This will do nothing but water us down.

In fact let’s divide out what’s still valuable in CUSA and send the rest back down to FCS. SHSU,Jacksonville St and maybe even FIU are not FBS programs.

Yeah b/c GSU and ULM are FBS programs.

(12-03-2022 09:49 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 07:40 AM)Herdforlife Wrote:  Other than NDST all FCS schools whom have FBS potential have already moved up… we need to shut the door on this. This will do nothing but water us down.

In fact let’s divide out what’s still valuable in CUSA and send the rest back down to FCS. SHSU, Jacksonville St and maybe even FIU are not FBS programs.

Yeah b/c GSU and ULM are FBS programs.

I'm sorry, you're just not ready. None of the Jacksonville State, Austin Pea, Kennesaw State, Missouri State or Sam Houston State realm are.

The only one of that group MIGHT be Jacksonville State, but that's borderline. But they're not anywhere close to Sun Belt realm.

Good on y'all to take advantage of a VERY weak and depleted CUSA.

But if anyone from the FCS realm could do it, the only ones I see would be

Jackson State (with Deion. Averaged 42,000)
Montana
Montana State
North Dakota State
South Dakota State

Georgia State is Atlanta. They are one of our only market plays. Have actually beaten Tennessee and have gotten to a bowl game.

ULM has actually been a part of FBS since I believe 1996, so respect to that.

(12-03-2022 09:49 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 07:40 AM)Herdforlife Wrote:  Other than NDST all FCS schools whom have FBS potential have already moved up… we need to shut the door on this. This will do nothing but water us down.

In fact let’s divide out what’s still valuable in CUSA and send the rest back down to FCS. SHSU,Jacksonville St and maybe even FIU are not FBS programs.

Yeah b/c GSU and ULM are FBS programs.

All conferences need to keep their teams accountable in meeting FBS requirements. Whether it’s CUSA, MAC, SBC..

That said, just because the bottom tier of FBS is struggling doesn’t mean you should open the flood gates and let in teams comparable teams to the weakest teams of FBS.

(12-03-2022 10:11 AM)Herdforlife Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 09:49 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 07:40 AM)Herdforlife Wrote:  Other than NDST all FCS schools whom have FBS potential have already moved up… we need to shut the door on this. This will do nothing but water us down.

In fact let’s divide out what’s still valuable in CUSA and send the rest back down to FCS. SHSU,Jacksonville St and maybe even FIU are not FBS programs.

Yeah b/c GSU and ULM are FBS programs.

All conferences need to keep their teams accountable in meeting FBS requirements. Whether it’s CUSA, MAC, SBC..

That said, just because the bottom tier of FBS is struggling doesn’t mean you should open the flood gates and let in teams comparable teams to the weakest teams of FBS.

You do know all of the teams in the SBC, MAC, CUSA, are mostly the bottom of the FBS.

(12-03-2022 09:48 AM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 07:54 AM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 11:34 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 11:32 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:26 PM)jones682 Wrote:  SMH Yeah because Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are on the same level as AP and Tarleton when KSU budget alone is higher then teams in the SBC and twice AP. Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are FCS playoff winning teams. KSU budget again is twice as large as AP and you are putting then in the same boat. KSU just beat App St in basketball but they are soft. Why are you talking about a school you don't know anything about?

Easy, slugger. Y'all have made the playoffs four times and only made it past the second round one time. And all that has been in a bad (Big South) and mediocre (ASUN) conference. Nothing screams "let's move up" about Kennesaw State to me. But you do you.

Coastal Carolina and Liberty came from the same Big South conference. Plus KSU has beat top 10/15/20 FCS teams in the playoffs and regular season. Please just stop. look at Georgia State FCS record. We went to the playoffs and won playoff games 4 out of 7 seasons of having a football program.

Coastal and Liberty were light years ahead of where Kennesaw is now. I may hate Liberty but both of us where capable of a move.

Yeah because KSU had a higher budget than Coastal before they moved up. lol

Y’all spend all of that money just to play at high school facilities and not reach the NCAA tournaments? Wow, that is money well spent I guess!