I’d love for WKU to still be in the Sun Belt. But I wouldn’t want to go to 16 teams to get them here.

Keep your eyes focused on what's in front of us...

Two schools of thought:

1. Recent Sun Belt success is an anomaly and can't keep up the pace.

2. Sun Belt is improving and moving forward.

You folks looking to lift programs are in the wrong conference...

If the program being considered doesn't put significantly more butts in seats forget it.

(12-02-2022 06:56 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  Keep your eyes focused on what's in front of us...

Two schools of thought:

1. Recent Sun Belt success is an anomaly and can't keep up the pace.

2. Sun Belt is improving and moving forward.

You folks looking to lift programs are in the wrong conference...

If the program being considered doesn't put significantly more butts in seats forget it.

Well, keep in mind this season happened as App and Georgia State had down years and programs like Georgia Southern, Southern Miss, and Ark State are trying to get back to where they're supposed to be.

It's not like the stars aligned this season for the league at all. We don't need all our programs to be at full strength to had the season we had.

(12-02-2022 03:20 PM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  I think we should rescue WKU. Liberty can run roughshod over a bunch of FCS and get no credit, and we would have an insanely strong G5 conference.

Don't want to be in conference or even play WKU or the likes of MTSU, FIU, FAU, UNCC, NTSU, UTSA, ect... ever again. I don't even want any of our SBC conference mates scheduling those schools either.

1. How does further diluting revenue sharing benefit the current membership of any FBS conference?

And on the flip side:

A lot of FCS programs must be on the verge of financial collapse for this many teams to try and bail all at once. Like it's a Hail Mary move to increase revenue. Maybe now that interest rates are higher they can't just keep endlessly borrowing to fund football.

Austin Peay is a state school with $22 million endowment. Where is the oversight for this so-called plan.

Cusa should be relegated to the FCS.

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(12-02-2022 03:20 PM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  I think we should rescue WKU. Liberty can run roughshod over a bunch of FCS and get no credit, and we would have an insanely strong G5 conference.

NO!

That's like me saying we should remove the weakest link the east and replace them with WKU. Stop trying to change what was a pretty great football season. We're in a good place. Let's stay here awhile.

Also what C-USA does has no bearing on whether P5 splits from G5. If C-USA wants to split their money with APSU then that’s on them lol.

(12-02-2022 08:02 PM)hburg Wrote:  Cusa should be relegated to the FCS.

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Brainstorming about this ; if nine conferences got together and excluded the tenth from revenue sharing when the new CFP contract is negotiated ...

The outcast will sue. Cost and hassle probably aren't worth it to go to the trouble.

As it stands P5s get lion's share of revenue anyway and no lawsuit. They would probably only risk a lawsuit if the reward was 100% of the revenue (this is the NCAA-shattering P5 departure scenario). They wouldn't risk it just to recoup one G5 share.

I'm just so perplexed why it makes sense for these tiny FCS schools. They are committing to spending a lot of money they probably don't have on stadium expansion, roster expansion, title IX compliance, added travel, the list just goes on and on. And in return they get an increase over FCS revenue. Keep in mind construction costs are through the roof right now.

The most likely explanation I can think of is their athletic departments are basically bankrupt and can't pay interest on existing loans without boosting revenue immediately. Costs of moving up can be spread out into future years but the boosted revenue starts right away. Even just the promise of future FBS revenue can probably help them secure financial assistance in the near term.

I would love it if someone could FOIA Austin Peay's athletic financials or their internal PowerPoint slides talking about the move.

(12-02-2022 03:20 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 03:15 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Actually ASun-WAC is looking at moving up as a group

Still? I thought they gave that idea up.

Negative. They still gotta plan.

(12-02-2022 08:26 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  I'm just so perplexed why it makes sense for these tiny FCS schools. They are committing to spending a lot of money they probably don't have on stadium expansion, roster expansion, title IX compliance, added travel, the list just goes on and on. And in return they get an increase over FCS revenue. Keep in mind construction costs are through the roof right now.

The most likely explanation I can think of is their athletic departments are basically bankrupt and can't pay interest on existing loans without boosting revenue immediately. Costs of moving up can be spread out into future years but the boosted revenue starts right away. Even just the promise of future FBS revenue can probably help them secure financial assistance in the near term.

I would love it if someone could FOIA Austin Peay's athletic financials or their internal PowerPoint slides talking about the move.

From what I read on the other CSNBBS boards, Austin Peay AD gave a presentation today to BOTs which should be floating around at some point

(12-02-2022 05:50 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  I’d love for WKU to still be in the Sun Belt. But I wouldn’t want to go to 16 teams to get them here.

Yeah I don't want a conference where we don't see opponents from the other division for so long we forget who they are.

The top hat and monocle is a cool look, but it doesn't need to come back. No. Not like this.

(12-02-2022 08:02 PM)hburg Wrote:  Cusa should be relegated to the FCS.

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This begs the question—who no longer has any business at the FBS level? Why is this a one-way street?

I doubt any school would want to suffer the embarrassment of moving down to FCS, but maybe the FBS standards are too low.

Soft Houston State, Kennesaw, Tarleton, Austin Peay…these moves are just making an FBS P5/G5 split more and more likely.

(12-02-2022 09:23 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 08:02 PM)hburg Wrote:  Cusa should be relegated to the FCS.

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This begs the question—who no longer has any business at the FBS level? Why is this a one-way street?

I doubt any school would want to suffer the embarrassment of moving down to FCS, but maybe the FBS standards are too low.

Soft Houston State, Kennesaw, Tarleton, Austin Peay…these moves are just making an FBS P5/G5 split more and more likely.

SMH Yeah because Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are on the same level as AP and Tarleton when KSU budget alone is higher then teams in the SBC and twice AP. Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are FCS playoff winning teams. KSU budget again is twice as large as AP and you are putting then in the same boat. KSU just beat App St in basketball but they are soft. Why are you talking about a school you don't know anything about?

(12-02-2022 09:26 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:23 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 08:02 PM)hburg Wrote:  Cusa should be relegated to the FCS.

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This begs the question—who no longer has any business at the FBS level? Why is this a one-way street?

I doubt any school would want to suffer the embarrassment of moving down to FCS, but maybe the FBS standards are too low.

Soft Houston State, Kennesaw, Tarleton, Austin Peay…these moves are just making an FBS P5/G5 split more and more likely.

SMH Yeah because Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are on the same level as AP and Tarleton when KSU budget alone is higher then teams in the SBC and twice AP. Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are FCS playoff winning teams. KSU budget again is twice as large as AP and you are putting then in the same boat. KSU just beat App St in basketball but they are soft. Why are you talking about a school you don't know anything about?

Soft Houston State is the name of the school. He didn't call Kennesaw soft. Kennesaw has potential more so than the Softies imo, but sure isn't the slam dunk you're making it out to be either. They're a playoff winning team in the sense than they can win early round games against teams that will lose by 50 to an actual contender. Attendance is awful right? They just don't scream FBS ready at all whatsoever. But Soft Houston screams "not FBS ready and never will be."

(12-02-2022 09:54 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:26 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:23 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 08:02 PM)hburg Wrote:  Cusa should be relegated to the FCS.

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This begs the question—who no longer has any business at the FBS level? Why is this a one-way street?

I doubt any school would want to suffer the embarrassment of moving down to FCS, but maybe the FBS standards are too low.

Soft Houston State, Kennesaw, Tarleton, Austin Peay…these moves are just making an FBS P5/G5 split more and more likely.

SMH Yeah because Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are on the same level as AP and Tarleton when KSU budget alone is higher then teams in the SBC and twice AP. Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are FCS playoff winning teams. KSU budget again is twice as large as AP and you are putting then in the same boat. KSU just beat App St in basketball but they are soft. Why are you talking about a school you don't know anything about?

Soft Houston State is the name of the school. He didn't call Kennesaw soft. Kennesaw has potential more so than the Softies imo, but sure isn't the slam dunk you're making it out to be either. They're a playoff winning team in the sense than they can win early round games against teams that will lose by 50 to an actual contender. Attendance is awful right? They just don't scream FBS ready at all whatsoever. But Soft Houston screams "not FBS ready and never will be."

KSU has never got blown out in a FCS playoff game. The most they ever lost by in a playoff game was by 10 points. Again KSU budget is higher then teams in the SBC as a FCS school

(12-02-2022 10:02 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:54 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:26 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:23 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 08:02 PM)hburg Wrote:  Cusa should be relegated to the FCS.

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This begs the question—who no longer has any business at the FBS level? Why is this a one-way street?

I doubt any school would want to suffer the embarrassment of moving down to FCS, but maybe the FBS standards are too low.

Soft Houston State, Kennesaw, Tarleton, Austin Peay…these moves are just making an FBS P5/G5 split more and more likely.

SMH Yeah because Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are on the same level as AP and Tarleton when KSU budget alone is higher then teams in the SBC and twice AP. Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are FCS playoff winning teams. KSU budget again is twice as large as AP and you are putting then in the same boat. KSU just beat App St in basketball but they are soft. Why are you talking about a school you don't know anything about?

Soft Houston State is the name of the school. He didn't call Kennesaw soft. Kennesaw has potential more so than the Softies imo, but sure isn't the slam dunk you're making it out to be either. They're a playoff winning team in the sense than they can win early round games against teams that will lose by 50 to an actual contender. Attendance is awful right? They just don't scream FBS ready at all whatsoever. But Soft Houston screams "not FBS ready and never will be."

KSU has never got blown out in a FCS playoff game. The most they ever lost by in a playoff game was by 10 points. Again KSU budget is higher then teams in the SBC as a FCS school

I like KSU. Yall are like Ga state but yellow.

(12-02-2022 10:02 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:54 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:26 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:23 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 08:02 PM)hburg Wrote:  Cusa should be relegated to the FCS.

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This begs the question—who no longer has any business at the FBS level? Why is this a one-way street?

I doubt any school would want to suffer the embarrassment of moving down to FCS, but maybe the FBS standards are too low.

Soft Houston State, Kennesaw, Tarleton, Austin Peay…these moves are just making an FBS P5/G5 split more and more likely.

SMH Yeah because Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are on the same level as AP and Tarleton when KSU budget alone is higher then teams in the SBC and twice AP. Sam Houston and Kennesaw State are FCS playoff winning teams. KSU budget again is twice as large as AP and you are putting then in the same boat. KSU just beat App St in basketball but they are soft. Why are you talking about a school you don't know anything about?

Soft Houston State is the name of the school. He didn't call Kennesaw soft. Kennesaw has potential more so than the Softies imo, but sure isn't the slam dunk you're making it out to be either. They're a playoff winning team in the sense than they can win early round games against teams that will lose by 50 to an actual contender. Attendance is awful right? They just don't scream FBS ready at all whatsoever. But Soft Houston screams "not FBS ready and never will be."

KSU has never got blown out in a FCS playoff game. The most they ever lost by in a playoff game was by 10 points. Again KSU budget is higher then teams in the SBC as a FCS school