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(12-07-2022 09:26 AM)Cat_Litter Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 09:22 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I'm still not sure what I think about the hire both pro and con but I am excited for new blood on the staff. We had a lot of battlefield promotions the last couple years and it was starting to show.

I think Kerry will stick around for a local recruiting presence since he's the furniture that stays with the house for the new owners. Excited to upgrade several position coaches, though.

Moving to 4 down linemen on D is going to require some portal wizarding.

Same. Not sure what to think but I am ready to see some changes in the offensive philosophy also. I may not like those changes later but the playcalling was exasperating at times this year.

Exactly.

Now if you would have said that oh, 6-7 weeks ago on here you would have been rebuked that the coaching staff knows what they're doing and to quit rah-rah for the hometown boy to be put in the game.

(12-07-2022 09:24 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Assuming the Godfather and Briggs stick around I think they'll have a damn good starting defensive line, but they'll need to really find some depth in the portal...particularly at tackle.

Briggs was recognized at senior day. Doesn't mean he couldn't come back but probably at least means he's considering going to the draft.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...oach-hires

Grade: B-
I like this move for Satterfield more than I do for Cincinnati. He brings Power 5 experience and a good overall record to a program entering the Power 5, but some of the same issues that surfaced at Louisville could spill over at what seems like a very similar program. Satterfield seems best off outside of an urban environment, at a school closer to his home area. Fickell was an Ohio guy who loved the state and connected well with everyone around the program. Cincinnati might have been better served to find someone a bit more like him. -- Rittenberg

I'd agree about liking this more for him than UC...but I'm not sure who else was out there and interested.

Cincinnati was an escape pod for Satterfield to bolt DaVille and for Cincinnati to escape sub .500 MAC coaches. Hurts the pride. B12 didn't matter. We aimed high and settled low IMO.

(12-07-2022 09:20 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I'd agree about liking this more for him than UC...but I'm not sure who else was out there and interested.

I am not sure how many better options were out there. If Satterfield struggles here and is putting together sub 500 seasons by year 3 he will be gone.

The difficult decision will be if he wins about 5 to 7 games a year for the next 3 years with two bowl appearances. Those results eventually got Minter fired but the context will be extremely different due to the conference change.

I know this sounds crazy but if the basketball program doesn’t turn it around there is going to be more pressure on football to win 8 or more games a year to keep the fan base happy. If basketball does make a huge jump in a few years then it buys the new football coach a few more season. Over the last 30 years UC hasn’t been great a both during the same time but has always had one major sport to fall back on.

(12-07-2022 09:17 PM)bcat1997 Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...oach-hires

Grade: B-
I like this move for Satterfield more than I do for Cincinnati. He brings Power 5 experience and a good overall record to a program entering the Power 5, but some of the same issues that surfaced at Louisville could spill over at what seems like a very similar program. Satterfield seems best off outside of an urban environment, at a school closer to his home area. Fickell was an Ohio guy who loved the state and connected well with everyone around the program. Cincinnati might have been better served to find someone a bit more like him. -- Rittenberg

Wow. Why didn't we think of that!!! And that would be... who???

(12-07-2022 10:12 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 09:17 PM)bcat1997 Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...oach-hires

Grade: B-
I like this move for Satterfield more than I do for Cincinnati. He brings Power 5 experience and a good overall record to a program entering the Power 5, but some of the same issues that surfaced at Louisville could spill over at what seems like a very similar program. Satterfield seems best off outside of an urban environment, at a school closer to his home area. Fickell was an Ohio guy who loved the state and connected well with everyone around the program. Cincinnati might have been better served to find someone a bit more like him. -- Rittenberg

Wow. Why didn't we think of that!!! And that would be... who???

Landon as player/coach - duh!

On a more serious note, I can see some Fickell commonalities with Hartline or Leonhard. Or even Gino or Kerry. But as a P5 now, rather than a G5, should you take the risk with a first-time permanent HC?

(12-07-2022 11:53 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 10:12 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 09:17 PM)bcat1997 Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...oach-hires

Grade: B-
I like this move for Satterfield more than I do for Cincinnati. He brings Power 5 experience and a good overall record to a program entering the Power 5, but some of the same issues that surfaced at Louisville could spill over at what seems like a very similar program. Satterfield seems best off outside of an urban environment, at a school closer to his home area. Fickell was an Ohio guy who loved the state and connected well with everyone around the program. Cincinnati might have been better served to find someone a bit more like him. -- Rittenberg

Wow. Why didn't we think of that!!! And that would be... who???

Landon as player/coach - duh!

On a more serious note, I can see some Fickell commonalities with Hartline or Leonhard. Or even Gino or Kerry. But as a P5 now, rather than a G5, should you take the risk with a first-time permanent HC?

HC Satterfield doesn't need to know Ohio recruiting, he needs recruiters who do and keeping Coombs is a good start.

UC is now recruiting against P5 schools for the top talent. Getting locals the P5 schools pass on won't cut it anymore. (This may be one reason why Fickell left) We need a HC that can get impact players from the transfer portal while recruiting locally (mainly) to build the foundation.

Transitioning UC into a P5 football program, especially in recruiting, is one of Satterfield's primary goals, Time will tell if he can do that.

(12-08-2022 06:33 AM)mac6115cd Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 11:53 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 10:12 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 09:17 PM)bcat1997 Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...oach-hires

Grade: B-
I like this move for Satterfield more than I do for Cincinnati. He brings Power 5 experience and a good overall record to a program entering the Power 5, but some of the same issues that surfaced at Louisville could spill over at what seems like a very similar program. Satterfield seems best off outside of an urban environment, at a school closer to his home area. Fickell was an Ohio guy who loved the state and connected well with everyone around the program. Cincinnati might have been better served to find someone a bit more like him. -- Rittenberg

Wow. Why didn't we think of that!!! And that would be... who???

Landon as player/coach - duh!

On a more serious note, I can see some Fickell commonalities with Hartline or Leonhard. Or even Gino or Kerry. But as a P5 now, rather than a G5, should you take the risk with a first-time permanent HC?

HC Satterfield doesn't need to know Ohio recruiting, he needs recruiters who do and keeping Coombs is a good start.

UC is now recruiting against P5 schools for the top talent. Getting locals the P5 schools pass on won't cut it anymore. (This may be one reason why Fickell left) We need a HC that can get impact players from the transfer portal while recruiting locally (mainly) to build the foundation.

Transitioning UC into a P5 football program, especially in recruiting, is one of Satterfield's primary goals, Time will tell if he can do that.

Bolded, good take. We've all said at one time or another that winning at the highest level (P5) will take an upgrade in overall talent. Saterfield built a top 20 recruiting class this year--at Louisville. If you've visited their campus, it's in a part of town that feels more like the Mill Creek industrial basin than the hilltops of Cllifton. Our campus is now a major asset and Nippert is the gemstone.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but UC has never sniffed a top 20 recruiting class with any of our previous coaches and Saterfield knows he's now planted in a high school football hotbed for the first time in his career. He'll either recruit them or hire the guys who can cultivate and harvest from Cuyahoga County to the Ohio River.

I'm (cautiously) optimistic about the future.

(12-08-2022 08:08 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(12-08-2022 06:33 AM)mac6115cd Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 11:53 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 10:12 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 09:17 PM)bcat1997 Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...oach-hires

Grade: B-
I like this move for Satterfield more than I do for Cincinnati. He brings Power 5 experience and a good overall record to a program entering the Power 5, but some of the same issues that surfaced at Louisville could spill over at what seems like a very similar program. Satterfield seems best off outside of an urban environment, at a school closer to his home area. Fickell was an Ohio guy who loved the state and connected well with everyone around the program. Cincinnati might have been better served to find someone a bit more like him. -- Rittenberg

Wow. Why didn't we think of that!!! And that would be... who???

Landon as player/coach - duh!

On a more serious note, I can see some Fickell commonalities with Hartline or Leonhard. Or even Gino or Kerry. But as a P5 now, rather than a G5, should you take the risk with a first-time permanent HC?

HC Satterfield doesn't need to know Ohio recruiting, he needs recruiters who do and keeping Coombs is a good start.

UC is now recruiting against P5 schools for the top talent. Getting locals the P5 schools pass on won't cut it anymore. (This may be one reason why Fickell left) We need a HC that can get impact players from the transfer portal while recruiting locally (mainly) to build the foundation.

Transitioning UC into a P5 football program, especially in recruiting, is one of Satterfield's primary goals, Time will tell if he can do that.

Bolded, good take. We've all said at one time or another that winning at the highest level (P5) will take an upgrade in overall talent. Saterfield built a top 20 recruiting class this year--at Louisville. If you've visited their campus, it's in a part of town that feels more like the Mill Creek industrial basin than the hilltops of Cllifton. Our campus is now a major asset and Nippert is the gemstone.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but UC has never sniffed a top 20 recruiting class with any of our previous coaches and Saterfield knows he's now planted in a high school football hotbed for the first time in his career. He'll either recruit them or hire the guys who can cultivate and harvest from Cuyahoga County to the Ohio River.

I'm (cautiously) optimistic about the future.

UC has never sniffed the NIL money that Louisville has at their disposal either.

(12-07-2022 09:35 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Cincinnati was an escape pod for Satterfield to bolt DaVille and for Cincinnati to escape sub .500 MAC coaches. Hurts the pride. B12 didn't matter. We aimed high and settled low IMO.

I couldn't disagree with this statement more. Obviously, your entitled to not be satisfied with the hire, but I have seen zero to suggest he wasn't the type of coach UC was aiming for. Who exactly do you think we aimed for and missed?

UC could have gotten any of the assistants they wanted. They could have Hartline if that was where they wanted to go. They could have Golesh. They could have had the MAC guys. What they wanted was a guy with success as a head coach and P5 experience. The list of those guys that you may be able to get isn't that large.

You disagree with the strategy, but that was what I believe they were clearly wanting (and frankly what I wanted from the beginning). It's why my first choice was Campbell. It's why I'm sure they kicked the tires on Brohm. They probably gaged Fleck's interest as well. In the end these guys don't have resumes that are that different.

Satterfield is right in line with that group. Successful G5 head coach, in a difficult P5 job (under normal circumstances Louisville is a pretty good job, but Petrino left it in bad shape, the athletic department was a mess, and he never had support of the fans/university).

Throwing out Deion...who I've explained why the university likely didn't target him...you can disagree with the decision but he probably was never an option (and I'm guessing the Colorado job was tied up for a while). Which coaches with better resumes than Satterfield do you think UC aimed for and failed to get? I'm really curious.

I was a bit shocked when they announced Satterfield only because he just came out of nowhere and I didn't even know we were considering him.

But what has happened since is that everybody is spooked because UC is losing the propaganda war with Louisville. All the Louisville guys are preening around like we hired their village idiot and they went out and got Nick Saban Jr.

I've been wanting to go over to the ACC board and light them up but cuserock will threaten to run me again, so I'm holding back.

Of course their story is that Brohm didn't take the job four years ago because he'd just gotten to Purdue and didn't want to be impolite and leave early. BS.

What it appears to me is that Brohm saw Louisville as a pile of dry crap four years ago and wasn't touching that job with a ten foot pole. But now that Satterfield has cleaned up the mess, it's OK for him to come riding into town on his white stallion to take them to the CFP. You know, like he did with Purdue.

Satterfield is the coaching equivalent of Michael McDonald. He's as good a singer and they had bigger hits with him but everyone always says the Doobies are better with Tom Johnston.

(12-07-2022 09:17 PM)bcat1997 Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...oach-hires

Grade: B-
I like this move for Satterfield more than I do for Cincinnati. He brings Power 5 experience and a good overall record to a program entering the Power 5, but some of the same issues that surfaced at Louisville could spill over at what seems like a very similar program. Satterfield seems best off outside of an urban environment, at a school closer to his home area. Fickell was an Ohio guy who loved the state and connected well with everyone around the program. Cincinnati might have been better served to find someone a bit more like him. -- Rittenberg

For grins, I looked at Rittenberg's evaluation when Louisville hired him in 2018

https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...ching-hire

Louisville
2018 coach: Bobby Petrino (fired)
Replacement: Scott Satterfield, previously Appalachian State coach

Grade: A-

Any coach not named Jeffrey Scott Brohm would have disappointed Louisville fans who yearned to bring home their football hero to replace Petrino. But in Satterfield, Louisville gains someone widely respected in the coaching industry who transitioned Appalachian State from the FCS to FBS with barely any difficulty. Satterfield went 40-11 in his final four seasons at Appalachian State, winning or sharing the Sun Belt championship in each of the past three years. He brings a steady demeanor and a proven track record that Louisville needs at a particularly tenuous time. The only concern with Satterfield, 45, is how he fares on unfamiliar soil. The ACC always seemed a logical landing spot for him, but the North Carolina schools made more sense as he has spent all but three years of his career in the state.

Also, here's his grade of other A/B hires in 2018:

ECU - Mike Houston: A
Liberty - Hugh Freeze: A
Temple - Manny Diaz: A (probably ignore this one)
Georgia Tech - Geoff Collins: A-
Kansas State - Chris Klieman: A-
Texas State - Jake Spavital: A- (13-35 at Texas State)
App State - Eliah Drinkwitz: B+
Maryland - Mike Locksley: B
Texas Tech - Matt Wells: B
Ohio State - Ryan Day: B
UNC - Mack Brown: B-

I'd say Rittenberg nailed the Freeze, Klieman, Drinkwitz, and Wells hires but missed on Houston, Collins, Spavital, Day, and Brown. Locksley I could see going either way.

(12-08-2022 09:24 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I was a bit shocked when they announced Satterfield only because he just came out of nowhere and I didn't even know we were considering him.

But what has happened since is that everybody is spooked because UC is losing the propaganda war with Louisville. All the Louisville guys are preening around like we hired their village idiot and they went out and got Nick Saban Jr.

I've been wanting to go over to the ACC board and light them up but cuserock will threaten to run me again, so I'm holding back.

Of course their story is that Brohm didn't take the job four years ago because he'd just gotten to Purdue and didn't want to be impolite and leave early. BS.

What it appears to me is that Brohm saw Louisville as a pile of dry crap four years ago and wasn't touching that job with a ten foot pole. But now that Satterfield has cleaned up the mess, it's OK for him to come riding into town on his white stallion to take them to the CFP. You know, like he did with Purdue.

Satterfield is the coaching equivalent of Michael McDonald. He's as good a singer and they had bigger hits with him but everyone always says the Doobies are better with Tom Johnston.

This is exactly what happened. Brohm wanted no part of the mess that the Louisville program was in at that time.

At work i get a free NYTimes digital subscription and as part of that i get access to the Athletic. I am enjoying their articles.

Today they had a more inside look at the hiring of Satterfield. One thing i was surprised about in the article is that i saw no mention of Deion at all.

(12-08-2022 08:39 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I couldn't disagree with this statement more. Obviously, your entitled to not be satisfied with the hire, but I have seen zero to suggest he wasn't the type of coach UC was aiming for. Who exactly do you think we aimed for and missed?

UC could have gotten any of the assistants they wanted. They could have Hartline if that was where they wanted to go. They could have Golesh. They could have had the MAC guys. What they wanted was a guy with success as a head coach and P5 experience. The list of those guys that you may be able to get isn't that large.

You disagree with the strategy, but that was what I believe they were clearly wanting (and frankly what I wanted from the beginning). It's why my first choice was Campbell. It's why I'm sure they kicked the tires on Brohm. They probably gaged Fleck's interest as well. In the end these guys don't have resumes that are that different.

Satterfield is right in line with that group. Successful G5 head coach, in a difficult P5 job (under normal circumstances Louisville is a pretty good job, but Petrino left it in bad shape, the athletic department was a mess, and he never had support of the fans/university).

Throwing out Deion...who I've explained why the university likely didn't target him...you can disagree with the decision but he probably was never an option (and I'm guessing the Colorado job was tied up for a while). Which coaches with better resumes than Satterfield do you think UC aimed for and failed to get? I'm really curious.

I couldn't agree more. Of the early names mentioned (I never heard Satterfield early) Campbell was the only one I had complete confidence in. Satterfield isn't dramatically different to me; except for the built in OH ties. As a 43 year old man who grew up in the 90's I love Deion but there are massive concerns about if he'll be successful at a P5 and if it goes poorly what the fallout looks like as far as perception and roster.

My guess is Colorado's program will be farther ahead than UC's post haste.

The staff they are putting together is looking like the dream team. Not just Lewis as OC...he's tapping into Coach Saban's Finishing School for recruiting and X's and O's now. They are spending $$.

Oh...CO coming off a 1-11 season sold out next season this past week and there is now a waiting list for tickets. Sponsorships are raining in.

That hire was a business decision not a football decision.

He was the golden goose for anyone who had the guts to pull the trigger and make it a priority. We failed on one or both counts.

(12-08-2022 10:54 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  My guess is Colorado's program will be farther ahead than UC's post haste.

The staff they are putting together is looking like the dream team. Not just Lewis as OC...he's tapping into Coach Saban's Finishing School for recruiting and X's and O's now. They are spending $$.

Oh...CO coming off a 1-11 season sold out next season this past week and there is now a waiting list for tickets. Sponsorships are raining in.

That hire was a business decision.

We'll see. I think deion was an incredible hire for Colorado which has mostly been a dumpster fire for a long time. He's competely blowing things up and going about things in a way that isn't remotely like anyone else. It could be a huge success. But it's very high variance and where will you be when thy Deion show moves on?

The uc program is one where good coaches can win at a high level. You don't need a disrupter to build a high level winner. Uc wasn't looking to make uc the Deion show. They were looking to continue building on the success of the Uc program which has had great success over the last decade and a half. I believe in uc as program more than i believe in Deion.

He would have been an incredible hire here but our administration likes safe and boring and well mannered speaking the queen's English kind of guys.