The SEC rep on the Committee really earned her pay check...

Quote:Emily Ehman
@emilyehman
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#NCAAWVB bubble teams (in my opinion) that made it in:
Pepperdine, LSU, Colorado, LMU, Tennessee, Auburn and Ball State

Bubble teams (in my opinion) that did not make it:
Texas State, Colorado St and UCLA

(11-27-2022 08:54 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 08:51 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 08:47 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 08:31 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 08:20 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Marquette was just one slot above us in RPI, but we had one more win vs. Top 25 and Top 50 (we were 3-3/4-3; they were 2-3, 3-3)...and, most importantly, we won the conference championship; they didn't, having lost 2 of 3 to Creighton, whom we beat in head-to-head.

I'm dying to hear their justification for picking Marquette over Rice.

Big East is a stronger conference. 4 teams top 100 in RPI vs. 3 for C-USA. Very close resumes IMO.

PLEASE! SoS is reflected in RPI. We do have the better record vs. Top25/50, but if you want to dismiss that, then go to what should have been the two tie-breakers: (1) We were conference champs; Marquette was not and (2) we beat Creighton in head-to-head; Marquette lost 2 of 3. Again, if you go by the set of criteria the Committee is tasked with, how does Marquette get the nod over Rice?

I’m not saying that it was a clear cut decision. I’m just trying to find possible justifications.

Again, where's the justification? The fact that the Big East might be slightly stronger than CUSA is reflected in RPI...and let's face it, both conferences stink outside of the two perennial powers. Every other criteria and tie-breaker swings in Rice's favor. Every single one. The only possible explanation is the Big East having a rep on the Committee and CUSA does not.

You mentioned the twelve selection criteria-is there anything similar to “eye test” in there? Looking at Marquette’s schedule, they have lots of 3-0 wins in conference compared to our relatively rocky paths to victory.

Again, I’m a rice fan and was hoping we got the opportunity to host. So don’t be mad at me-just trying to figure it out.

(11-27-2022 08:59 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 08:54 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 08:51 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 08:47 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 08:31 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Big East is a stronger conference. 4 teams top 100 in RPI vs. 3 for C-USA. Very close resumes IMO.

PLEASE! SoS is reflected in RPI. We do have the better record vs. Top25/50, but if you want to dismiss that, then go to what should have been the two tie-breakers: (1) We were conference champs; Marquette was not and (2) we beat Creighton in head-to-head; Marquette lost 2 of 3. Again, if you go by the set of criteria the Committee is tasked with, how does Marquette get the nod over Rice?

I’m not saying that it was a clear cut decision. I’m just trying to find possible justifications.

Again, where's the justification? The fact that the Big East might be slightly stronger than CUSA is reflected in RPI...and let's face it, both conferences stink outside of the two perennial powers. Every other criteria and tie-breaker swings in Rice's favor. Every single one. The only possible explanation is the Big East having a rep on the Committee and CUSA does not.

You mentioned the twelve selection criteria-is there anything similar to “eye test” in there? Looking at Marquette’s schedule, they have lots of 3-0 wins in conference compared to our relatively rocky paths to victory.

Again, I’m a rice fan and was hoping we got the opportunity to host. So don’t be mad at me-just trying to figure it out.

No, there is no "eye test" in the criteria. A win is a win is a win, just as our two 5-set losses to Top 25 teams don't count as "good losses" (one of which we had match point, and the other was tied 9-9 in the 5th set-- both on their home courts).

(11-27-2022 08:27 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 08:22 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  How does Tudor compare to the facilities of the other hosts?

That is not one of the 12 criteria used by the Selection Committee.

Walt: What about the very first of these ... I count only 10 ... stated criteria that the selection committee said it would use to determine the regional sites?

https://csnbbs.com/thread-958790-post-18...id18568226

(11-07-2022 08:28 PM)dragon2owl Wrote:  

Quote:There is a new seeding criteria this season. Here's the statement from the selection committee:

"The committee expressed an interest to seed the top 32 or 50% of the field (versus 25%) in order to generate a bracket with better competitive parity and avoid imbalance with respect to the relative strength of regional assignments. The committee recognizes that seeding 50% of the field would likely create additional travel expense in the bracketing process and would be a consideration for all team sports."

So now instead of seeding just the top 16 teams, the committee will seed the top 32 teams on a national basis, across eight seed lines. The top 16 seeds will still host a regional and the top four will still host a super if given the opportunity. Seeds one-four will be one seeds, five-eight will be two seeds, nine-12 will be three seeds, etc. Teams seeded No. 17-32 will be the five, six, seven and eight seeds.

To create more competitive parity, the eight seeds will need to travel to one of the four one seeds. Seven seeds will have to play at one of the two seeds, etc. The remaining 32 teams will be placed in the bracket following bracketing policies approved by the NCAA Division I Competition Oversight Committee. The 16 first-and second-round winners will feed into four regions. When pairing teams, the committee will avoid conference matchups in the first and second rounds of the championship.

Quote:CRITERIA FOR REGIONAL SITES

The following criteria will be used in determining regional sites:

● Quality and availability of the facility and other necessary accommodations.
● Hotel availability, location and quality.
● Attendance history and revenue potential.
● Preference shall be given to conducting competition on the grounds or in buildings of educational institutions unless there are compelling reasons to conduct the competition in an off-campus facility.
● An off-campus facility must be within 30 minutes of the main campus.
● Practice and match times must take priority over other scheduled activities during the tournament. When practice times and match times are prescribed by the committee, any deviations require committee approval.
● Regional hosts must allocate at least 100 tickets to each participating team.
● History of hosting NCAA events.
● Live video streaming capabilities.
● Capability to video tape all matches (separate from live video streaming) and upload them for video exchange purposes. (See 2022-23 host operations manual for requirements.)

How do you think Tudor ... and our facilities' and other attributes associated with these criteria ... compared with others who we think should not be hosting (but were chosen to host)?

BTW, is anyone surprised that the Big East rep on the Selection Committee is from....any guesses? Yup, Marquette.

(11-27-2022 09:34 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 08:27 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 08:22 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  How does Tudor compare to the facilities of the other hosts?

That is not one of the 12 criteria used by the Selection Committee.

Walt: What about the very first of these ... I count only 10 ... stated criteria that the selection committee said it would use to determine the regional sites?

https://csnbbs.com/thread-958790-post-18...id18568226

(11-07-2022 08:28 PM)dragon2owl Wrote:  

Quote:There is a new seeding criteria this season. Here's the statement from the selection committee:

"The committee expressed an interest to seed the top 32 or 50% of the field (versus 25%) in order to generate a bracket with better competitive parity and avoid imbalance with respect to the relative strength of regional assignments. The committee recognizes that seeding 50% of the field would likely create additional travel expense in the bracketing process and would be a consideration for all team sports."

So now instead of seeding just the top 16 teams, the committee will seed the top 32 teams on a national basis, across eight seed lines. The top 16 seeds will still host a regional and the top four will still host a super if given the opportunity. Seeds one-four will be one seeds, five-eight will be two seeds, nine-12 will be three seeds, etc. Teams seeded No. 17-32 will be the five, six, seven and eight seeds.

To create more competitive parity, the eight seeds will need to travel to one of the four one seeds. Seven seeds will have to play at one of the two seeds, etc. The remaining 32 teams will be placed in the bracket following bracketing policies approved by the NCAA Division I Competition Oversight Committee. The 16 first-and second-round winners will feed into four regions. When pairing teams, the committee will avoid conference matchups in the first and second rounds of the championship.

Quote:CRITERIA FOR REGIONAL SITES

The following criteria will be used in determining regional sites:

● Quality and availability of the facility and other necessary accommodations.
● Hotel availability, location and quality.
● Attendance history and revenue potential.
● Preference shall be given to conducting competition on the grounds or in buildings of educational institutions unless there are compelling reasons to conduct the competition in an off-campus facility.
● An off-campus facility must be within 30 minutes of the main campus.
● Practice and match times must take priority over other scheduled activities during the tournament. When practice times and match times are prescribed by the committee, any deviations require committee approval.
● Regional hosts must allocate at least 100 tickets to each participating team.
● History of hosting NCAA events.
● Live video streaming capabilities.
● Capability to video tape all matches (separate from live video streaming) and upload them for video exchange purposes. (See 2022-23 host operations manual for requirements.)

How do you think Tudor ... and our facilities' and other attributes associated with these criteria ... compared with others who we think should not be hosting (but were chosen to host)?

These are not the 12 criteria for seeding the Top 32 teams.

Marquette, Creighton, Penn State and Baylor are the #4 seeds...I understand Baylor and Penn State but both Big East teams being seeded ahead of Rice is difficult to justify..especially when we beat Creighton.

So when is Rice going to get our athletes program-wide NIL deals?...

Quote:Joseph Duarte
@Joseph_Duarte
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3h
My Eyelab @MyEyelabannounces NIL deal with University of Houston volleyball
@UHCougarVB team. It’s the first team-wide NIL deal for a women’s sport at UH. The deal includes $1,000 each for 17 student-athletes for appearances/signings.

(11-27-2022 10:01 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  So when is Rice going to get our athletes program-wide NIL deals?...

Quote:Joseph Duarte
@Joseph_Duarte
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3h
My Eyelab @MyEyelabannounces NIL deal with University of Houston volleyball
@UHCougarVB team. It’s the first team-wide NIL deal for a women’s sport at UH. The deal includes $1,000 each for 17 student-athletes for appearances/signings.

Not.

Did Rice Athletics have to put together a compelling bid to host?

(11-27-2022 10:26 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  Did Rice Athletics have to put together a compelling bid to host?

I'm sure we did.

My brother (Stanford season ticketholder) tells me Colorado is inconsistent, but talented. Their 20-10 overall (12-8 in tough Pace-12) with wins against Illinois (3-0), Iowa (3-0), UCLA x 2, split with #21 Washington, split with receiving votes USC, split with Washington State, split with Colorado St. (tourney-bound) and took both Oregon and Stanford to 5 sets in one of their two matches against each. They pretty much swept the dregs of the Pac-12. They were swept by tourney-bound Arkansas in Fayettville and their one bad loss was to Oregon State (0-3) on the road.

They are not a pushover by any means.

It could get worse if it winds up UH vs Creighton and UH wins. Duarte and the Chronicle will want a parade.

This is very simple. Kick ass and show them the error of their ways.

On a slightly different topic, wonder how much Tillman pays the Chronicle for Duarte to be the in house PR for UH. Remember the articles and noise about how they were going to be a CFP contender? Simply mind-boggling.....

Does anyone read the Chronicle anymore? I'm being totally serious. He has 21K followers on twitter.

I bet you I could find a Texas high school football account with more followers than that.

(11-28-2022 09:53 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Does anyone read the Chronicle anymore? I'm being totally serious. He has 21K followers on twitter.

I bet you I could find a Texas high school football account with more followers than that.

Matt Stepp, the writer for DCTF who covers HS, has 56K followers for reference.

Duarte is the least of Rice's problems.

I borrowed this information from a poster on pro volley talk. The first number in the parenthesis is RPI, the second number is the Massey Rating. If you just focus on the Massey Ratings, then the seeds seem a little more fair so perhaps that's what the NCAA Committee was using (something closer to those ratings than RPI)? And Rice's opponent has the highest Massey rating of any unseeded team in the tournament - lovely.

1-seeds:
Texas (1,1) vs Fairleigh Dickinson (253,292)
Wisconsin (4,2) vs Quinnipiac (258,301)
Louisville (2,3) vs Samford (123,167)
Stanford (5,4) vs Pepperdine (45,33)

2-seeds:
San Diego (6,6) vs Northern Colo (89,79)
Nebraska (9,5) vs Delaware St (195,227)
Pittsburgh (3,7) vs Colgate (62,92)
Minnesota (8,8) vs Southeastern La (139,172)

3-seeds:
Ohio St (7,10) vs Tennessee St (220,234)
Florida (11,11) vs Florida A&M (211,237)
Oregon (13,9) vs LMU (49,42)
Kentucky (10,13) vs Loyola Chicago (74,78)

4-seeds:
Creighton (12,17) vs Auburn (50,52)
Baylor (16,12) vs SFA (54,69)
Penn St (19,15) vs UMBC (69,163)
Marquette (14,18) vs Ball St (51,67)

5-seeds:
Georgia Tech (20,16) vs Wright St (47,45)
UCF (17,14) vs Yale (28,71)
Rice (15,23) vs Colorado (44,28)
Houston (18,24) vs South Dakota (40,44)

6-seeds:
Western Ky (22,26) vs Bowling Green (42,68)
Arkansas (23,27) vs Utah St (46,54)
Iowa St (31,39) vs FGCU (33,57)
Southern Cal (25,25) vs High Point (52,100)

7-seeds:
Florida St (30, 37) vs UNI (41,58)
BYU (26,21) vs James Madison (21,65)
Miami (34,40) vs Kansas (29,32)
Washington St (35,22) vs UNLV (24,30)

8-seeds:
Hawaii (36,31) vs LSU (48,47)
Purdue (27,20) vs Tennessee (56,46)
Washington (37,19) vs TCU (39,49)
Towson (32,41) vs Georgia (38,38)

(11-28-2022 10:19 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I borrowed this information from a poster on pro volley talk. The first number in the parenthesis is RPI, the second number is the Massey Rating. If you just focus on the Massey Ratings, then the seeds seem a little more fair so perhaps that's what the NCAA Committee was using (something closer to those ratings than RPI)? And Rice's opponent has the highest Massey rating of any unseeded team in the tournament - lovely.

1-seeds:
Texas (1,1) vs Fairleigh Dickinson (253,292)
Wisconsin (4,2) vs Quinnipiac (258,301)
Louisville (2,3) vs Samford (123,167)
Stanford (5,4) vs Pepperdine (45,33)

2-seeds:
San Diego (6,6) vs Northern Colo (89,79)
Nebraska (9,5) vs Delaware St (195,227)
Pittsburgh (3,7) vs Colgate (62,92)
Minnesota (8,8) vs Southeastern La (139,172)

3-seeds:
Ohio St (7,10) vs Tennessee St (220,234)
Florida (11,11) vs Florida A&M (211,237)
Oregon (13,9) vs LMU (49,42)
Kentucky (10,13) vs Loyola Chicago (74,78)

4-seeds:
Creighton (12,17) vs Auburn (50,52)
Baylor (16,12) vs SFA (54,69)
Penn St (19,15) vs UMBC (69,163)
Marquette (14,18) vs Ball St (51,67)

5-seeds:
Georgia Tech (20,16) vs Wright St (47,45)
UCF (17,14) vs Yale (28,71)
Rice (15,23) vs Colorado (44,28)
Houston (18,24) vs South Dakota (40,44)

6-seeds:
Western Ky (22,26) vs Bowling Green (42,68)
Arkansas (23,27) vs Utah St (46,54)
Iowa St (31,39) vs FGCU (33,57)
Southern Cal (25,25) vs High Point (52,100)

7-seeds:
Florida St (30, 37) vs UNI (41,58)
BYU (26,21) vs James Madison (21,65)
Miami (34,40) vs Kansas (29,32)
Washington St (35,22) vs UNLV (24,30)

8-seeds:
Hawaii (36,31) vs LSU (48,47)
Purdue (27,20) vs Tennessee (56,46)
Washington (37,19) vs TCU (39,49)
Towson (32,41) vs Georgia (38,38)

No one uses Massey as a criteria in seeding teams. RPI, yes; Massey no. Not ever...and not in any sport.

Genny posted a quote: "The best way to end disrespect is by not giving them a chance to do it again".

(11-28-2022 08:53 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  This is very simple. Kick ass and show them the error of their ways.

Just win.