(10-25-2022 11:41 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 11:34 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 11:31 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I don’t know what trade the Biden State Department has proposed to obtain her release, although (whatever it was) it was obviously rejected by Russia. I am honestly curious to see what the Biden Admin. will do about it.

The Russian government floated the idea of trading Griner for the Russian arms dealer was also a friend of Putin.

Would you agree to that trade? I would reject it — I think it would just encourage anti-US elements to kidnap or arrest other U.S. citizens and then offer to release them in exchange for people like Viktor Bout.

No. Putin's friend has likely caused the death of untold numbers of people. So no it's not even close. And it would encourage more of the same from Russia's unjust system. The point is that they took a high-profile person because they saw it to their advantage and offered her back for Putin's friend. That speaks for itself. In fact I will not be surprised if the entire thing is a Russian charade. Pot vape or not... In fact she may have had nothing at all.... that's certainly no impediment when it comes to charging someone if someone like Putin wants them charged. And to claim that the pot vape was planted as a defense in the Russian court system, expressly claiming political corruption, would likely make things worse for you. And to the other point, Putin knows that there would be a divide in American culture and he's playing to that on this issue. And on top of that note the timing.

(10-25-2022 11:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I don't think there's anyone anywhere with just a bit of sense that doesn't know this to be political.

No doubt it's political but it is STILL her fault for breaking another country's law. That is all on her. Ignorance is never an excuse.

She will have that Russian National Anthem down pat by the time she returns to evil racist USA.

(10-25-2022 11:49 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 11:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I don't think there's anyone anywhere with just a bit of sense that doesn't know this to be political.

While there might be some truth to that especially since Biden is only involved because of politics. But I dont think you thought of it that way? Russia on the other hand this is close to the same sentence other Americas received for the same crime....

before the war we are supporting.

So with that a person can look at it as politics on the part of Russia but the fact this is in the same context of other caught committing the same crime point the other way

But one thing you and I both know....Jan 6th is all politics

Dude the pillars of our entire democracy nearly crumbled that day. I mean we were within hours, maybe even minutes from becoming China or even Nazi Germany FFS.

Perhaps she can start a movement in Russia for criminal justice reform or start a BLM chapter in Moscow!?!

(10-25-2022 11:52 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 11:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I don't think there's anyone anywhere with just a bit of sense that doesn't know this to be political.

No doubt it's political but it is STILL her fault for breaking another country's law. That is all on her. Ignorance is never an excuse.

9 years with hard labor for a vape pen. Whether it's planted or not ... both are unjust. That's the point. Its both political and unjust on its face. But it works because it plays right into the glee some take and seeing a outspoken gay black woman treated this way. And Putin knows that. That's another point.

(10-25-2022 11:50 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  No. Putin's friend has likely caused the death of untold numbers of people. So no it's not even close. And it would encourage more of the same from Russia's unjust system. The point is that they took a high-profile person because they saw it to their advantage and offered her back for Putin's friend. That speaks for itself. In fact I will not be surprised if the entire thing is a Russian charade. Pot vape or not... In fact she may have had nothing at all.... that's certainly no impediment when it comes to charging someone if someone like Putin wants them charged. And to claim that the pot vape was planted as a defense in the Russian court system, expressly claiming political corruption, would likely make things worse for you. And to the other point, Putin knows that there would be a divide in American culture and he's playing to that on this issue. And on top of that note the timing.

Who are you to say it is an unjust system? Because our system is so different and perfect? GTFOH with that noise.

I bet if you asked him if he still feels the same way about the oppressive USA as he did 24 months ago, he says no.

If you don't like their rules, it is probably best you never go there....

(10-25-2022 11:50 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 11:41 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 11:34 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 11:31 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I don’t know what trade the Biden State Department has proposed to obtain her release, although (whatever it was) it was obviously rejected by Russia. I am honestly curious to see what the Biden Admin. will do about it.

The Russian government floated the idea of trading Griner for the Russian arms dealer was also a friend of Putin.

Would you agree to that trade? I would reject it — I think it would just encourage anti-US elements to kidnap or arrest other U.S. citizens and then offer to release them in exchange for people like Viktor Bout.

No. Putin's friend has likely caused the death of untold numbers of people. So no it's not even close. And it would encourage more of the same from Russia's unjust system. The point is that they took a high-profile person because they saw it to their advantage and offered her back for Putin's friend. That speaks for itself. In fact I will not be surprised if the entire thing is a Russian charade. Pot vape or not... In fact she may have had nothing at all.... that's certainly no impediment when it comes to charging someone if someone like Putin wants them charged. And to claim that the pot vape was planted as a defense in the Russian court system, expressly claiming political corruption, would likely make things worse for you. And to the other point, Putin knows that there would be a divide in American culture and he's playing to that on this issue. And on top of that note the timing.

If I'm not mistaken she admitted she did it. She had been to Russia and should have known how it goes over there. If you think Russia is in the wrong you should write a strongly worded letter to Putin. I'm sure he would rethink his countries position.

(10-25-2022 12:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 11:52 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 11:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I don't think there's anyone anywhere with just a bit of sense that doesn't know this to be political.

No doubt it's political but it is STILL her fault for breaking another country's law. That is all on her. Ignorance is never an excuse.

9 years with hard labor for a vape pen. Whether it's planted or not ... both are unjust. That's the point. Its both political and unjust on its face. But it works because it plays right into the glee some take and seeing a outspoken gay black woman treated this way. And Putin knows that. That's another point.

Come on man, this is where you lose some credibility. She admitted to it, multiple times, said it was an accident. It was not planted, she is just a moron. She is not "wrongfully detained", but I would definitely say she was unfairly sentenced. Then again, take alcohol into Saudi Arabia and you get executed, so at least it isnt a death sentence.

(10-25-2022 12:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 11:52 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 11:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I don't think there's anyone anywhere with just a bit of sense that doesn't know this to be political.

No doubt it's political but it is STILL her fault for breaking another country's law. That is all on her. Ignorance is never an excuse.

9 years with hard labor for a vape pen. Whether it's planted or not ... both are unjust. That's the point. Its both political and unjust on its face. But it works because it plays right into the glee some take and seeing a outspoken gay black woman treated this way. And Putin knows that. That's another point.

And, therein lies the major difference between left and right.

If this were (insert Republican athlete), we'd still say do the crime, do the time.

And, lefties see everything thru the lens of race, gender, orientation, political beliefs, etc. Hypocrites to the core.

(10-25-2022 12:27 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 12:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 11:52 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 11:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I don't think there's anyone anywhere with just a bit of sense that doesn't know this to be political.

No doubt it's political but it is STILL her fault for breaking another country's law. That is all on her. Ignorance is never an excuse.

9 years with hard labor for a vape pen. Whether it's planted or not ... both are unjust. That's the point. Its both political and unjust on its face. But it works because it plays right into the glee some take and seeing a outspoken gay black woman treated this way. And Putin knows that. That's another point.

And, therein lies the major difference between left and right.

If this were (insert Republican athlete), we'd still say do the crime, do the time.

And, lefties see everything thru the lens of race, gender, orientation, political beliefs, etc. Hypocrites to the core.

Crime / Time

You all know the words.....

(10-25-2022 11:42 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  The funniest part of this entire thread is UMSU keeps calling Griner a he.

Well she's a he so....

(10-25-2022 12:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 11:52 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 11:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I don't think there's anyone anywhere with just a bit of sense that doesn't know this to be political.

No doubt it's political but it is STILL her fault for breaking another country's law. That is all on her. Ignorance is never an excuse.

9 years with hard labor for a vape pen. Whether it's planted or not ... both are unjust. That's the point. Its both political and unjust on its face. But it works because it plays right into the glee some take and seeing a outspoken gay black woman treated this way. And Putin knows that. That's another point.

The argument ending point is Griner broke the law in a foreign country. Break the law and tolerate the consequences.

Stuff that is shrugged off or basically tolerated in the USA can be a serious crime in Russia.....or a number of other countries.

Bottom line - I bet Griner will NOT make her weed habit error again in ANY foreign country. No need wasting countless years in foreign prisons!!

It's NOT just Russia. Check out some of Saudi Arabia crimes and punishments:
> Anyone who steals the belongings (luggage) of air passengers gets a fine of 500,000 Saudi Arabian Riyals (SAR) and 5-year jail sentence.
> Theft (or stealing in secret) is punished by the amputation of the offender's right hand.
> Armed or highway robbery may be punished by execution, crucifixion, or amputation of hands and feet from opposite sides of the body, depending on the severity of the offense.
> Alcohol drinkers must be punished by flogging, but there is not agreement on the number of lashes.
> A married adulterer or adulteress should be stoned to death.

Bottom line - OBEY THE LAWS OF THE COUNTRY YOU ARE IN.

(10-25-2022 12:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 11:52 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 11:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I don't think there's anyone anywhere with just a bit of sense that doesn't know this to be political.

No doubt it's political but it is STILL her fault for breaking another country's law. That is all on her. Ignorance is never an excuse.

9 years with hard labor for a vape pen. Whether it's planted or not ... both are unjust. That's the point. Its both political and unjust on its face. But it works because it plays right into the glee some take and seeing a outspoken gay black woman treated this way. And Putin knows that. That's another point.

(10-25-2022 12:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 11:52 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 11:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I don't think there's anyone anywhere with just a bit of sense that doesn't know this to be political.

No doubt it's political but it is STILL her fault for breaking another country's law. That is all on her. Ignorance is never an excuse.

9 years with hard labor for a vape pen. Whether it's planted or not ... both are unjust. That's the point. Its both political and unjust on its face. But it works because it plays right into the glee some take and seeing a outspoken gay black woman treated this way. And Putin knows that. That's another point.

Oh please.

You liberals are all the same to us. I'd be just as gleeful to see commie Gavin Newsome peering out from behind bars.

So it's Trump's fault that Biden can't win a negotiation to get her back in the USA?

See, this is why people on the right are not caring about her circumstance. You have someone who publicly doesn't support the US anthem (that's fine, whatever), but by doing so sends a message to the world that the US sucks, is racist, etc. The anthem/flag is a metaphor for supporting human rights, freedom, and liberty. When you reject the anthem/flag you reject those principles. The "protest" isn't about shedding light on other issues, it's saying "America is racist and the founders are flawed. The Constitution needs to be thrown away." That's what BLM means.

Tigercity can go cry somewhere else.

(10-25-2022 12:52 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  So it's Trump's fault that Biden can't win a negotiation to get her back in the USA?

See, this is why people on the right are not caring about her circumstance. You have someone who publicly doesn't support the US anthem (that's fine, whatever), but by doing so sends a message to the world that the US sucks, is racist, etc. The anthem/flag is a metaphor for supporting human rights, freedom, and liberty. When you reject the anthem/flag you reject those principles. The "protest" isn't about shedding light on other issues, it's saying "America is racist and the founders are flawed. The Constitution needs to be thrown away." That's what BLM means.

Tigercity can go cry somewhere else.

Oh no, they are good here

(10-25-2022 12:56 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-25-2022 12:52 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  So it's Trump's fault that Biden can't win a negotiation to get her back in the USA?

See, this is why people on the right are not caring about her circumstance. You have someone who publicly doesn't support the US anthem (that's fine, whatever), but by doing so sends a message to the world that the US sucks, is racist, etc. The anthem/flag is a metaphor for supporting human rights, freedom, and liberty. When you reject the anthem/flag you reject those principles. The "protest" isn't about shedding light on other issues, it's saying "America is racist and the founders are flawed. The Constitution needs to be thrown away." That's what BLM means.

Tigercity can go cry somewhere else.

Oh no, they are good here

Lib tears are delicious

(10-25-2022 12:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  9 years with hard labor for a vape pen. Whether it's planted or not ... both are unjust. That's the point. Its both political and unjust on its face. But it works because it plays right into the glee some take and seeing a outspoken gay black woman treated this way. And Putin knows that. That's another point.

It's "political" because we continue to fight a proxy war in an area of the world we don't understand. You have nobody to blame but the administration you voted for.

This is what a real unjust system looks like. The USA has the best system in the world when it comes to justice. Nothing is perfect, but hopefully this opens your eyes.

Main reason I don't give a flying F is when traveling a broad you must always obey that nations laws as well as respect that nations culture no matter what America's, your own, etc. opinion is.

This especially goes for bringing drugs abroad and just a classic idiot thinking since its no biggie to its own mind or starting to become that way in the states then it said F it and is paying the consequences. Griner lived and learned.

Reminds me much of the Otto Warmbier's case which was even 10x worse in my moral opinion of the laws, but NK clearly states don't take their stuff. He didn't listen. Unfortunately he didn't get the chance to learn from it. Griner will and everyone else can move along.