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His step back reminds me a little of TSG.

Well, I don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
'Round here

Randy Newman

(01-16-2023 08:31 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  We need another 6'3" player like we need a hole in the head! 6'9" 6'10" 6'11" 7'0" this is what we need! Tired of playing "David and Goliath" against every opponent we face. Are we restricted from trying to recruit players like this or is this simply the JJ way!

We needed a PG. And we got one of the best.

(01-16-2023 09:18 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 08:31 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  We need another 6'3" player like we need a hole in the head! 6'9" 6'10" 6'11" 7'0" this is what we need! Tired of playing "David and Goliath" against every opponent we face. Are we restricted from trying to recruit players like this or is this simply the JJ way!

We needed a PG. And we got one of the best.

But we have a 6'0"PG a 6'4"SG a 6'5"SF a 6'5"PF and a 6'9"C who does the PG pass the ball to? Certainly no one in the low post only to get rejected. These guys play their ass off and give it everything they have. They are just too small and can't sustain quality play for an entire game. They are worn down by the end of the game due to constant pounding by opponents bigger players! They need help and recruiting 6'3" PG's isn't gonna do it. Number 1 priority should be (2) QUALITY big men (6'10" and bigger).

(01-16-2023 09:18 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 08:31 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  We need another 6'3" player like we need a hole in the head! 6'9" 6'10" 6'11" 7'0" this is what we need! Tired of playing "David and Goliath" against every opponent we face. Are we restricted from trying to recruit players like this or is this simply the JJ way!

We needed a PG. And we got one of the best.

I agree with this. Losing Imo has shown a glaring lack of depth at PG. We do need bigs, but I’m happy with the commitment. We need a pg too, and you can’t say no to talent like this.

(01-16-2023 10:07 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 09:18 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 08:31 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  We need another 6'3" player like we need a hole in the head! 6'9" 6'10" 6'11" 7'0" this is what we need! Tired of playing "David and Goliath" against every opponent we face. Are we restricted from trying to recruit players like this or is this simply the JJ way!

We needed a PG. And we got one of the best.

I agree with this. Losing Imo has shown a glaring lack of depth at PG. We do need bigs, but I’m happy with the commitment. We need a pg too, and you can’t say no to talent like this.

Ditto. Imo down and we looked lost against the press. The combo guys like Jenkins have handles but they looked a bit lost under heavy pressure like that with the ball.

Point guard is a huge issue. I like Imo but with him and brown out it’s been tough. To me… need another point guard probably a veteran from the portal and need two more bigs. The 6’7 Pounds that’s already committed sounds like an athletic stretch 4 type. And I like Fields at 6’10. But need two more bigger players. Another center and maybe another power forward type that’s hopefully a lot bigger than Stanley. Williams should be playing 10 mins off the bench as an energizing undersized 4. The fact that he plays 20 plus mins a game shows our lack of size is a huge problem as well.

(01-16-2023 10:42 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Point guard is a huge issue. I like Imo but with him and brown out it’s been tough. To me… need another point guard probably a veteran from the portal and need two more bigs. The 6’7 Pounds that’s already committed sounds like an athletic stretch 4 type. And I like Fields at 6’10. But need two more bigger players. Another center and maybe another power forward type that’s hopefully a lot bigger than Stanley. Williams should be playing 10 mins off the bench as an energizing undersized 4. The fact that he plays 20 plus mins a game shows our lack of size is a huge problem as well.

Unless a few guys enter the portal, I’m not sure we will have 3 more open scholarships to sign another PG and 2 bigs.

Outgoing:
Tre Brown
TSG
Ben Stanley

Incoming:
Vasean Allette
Yamari Allette
Daniel Pounds

(01-16-2023 11:22 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:42 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Point guard is a huge issue. I like Imo but with him and brown out it’s been tough. To me… need another point guard probably a veteran from the portal and need two more bigs. The 6’7 Pounds that’s already committed sounds like an athletic stretch 4 type. And I like Fields at 6’10. But need two more bigger players. Another center and maybe another power forward type that’s hopefully a lot bigger than Stanley. Williams should be playing 10 mins off the bench as an energizing undersized 4. The fact that he plays 20 plus mins a game shows our lack of size is a huge problem as well.

Unless a few guys enter the portal, I’m not sure we will have 3 more open scholarships to sign another PG and 2 bigs.

Outgoing:
Tre Brown
TSG
Ben Stanley

Incoming:
Vasean Allette
Yamari Allette
Daniel Pounds

The poor kid from Omaha has played like 5 minutes his whole time here and Charles Smith is a mystery. When your coaching life is on the line, don’t be surprised if those guys aren’t asked to look around somewhere else. Perhaps.

We need some guys to transfer out. As bad as that sounds, it is a necessity.

(01-16-2023 09:18 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 08:31 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  We need another 6'3" player like we need a hole in the head! 6'9" 6'10" 6'11" 7'0" this is what we need! Tired of playing "David and Goliath" against every opponent we face. Are we restricted from trying to recruit players like this or is this simply the JJ way!

We needed a PG. And we got one of the best.

You mean we can’t get a 7’2” PG. God that guy is dense.

(01-16-2023 11:31 AM)mac Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:22 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:42 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Point guard is a huge issue. I like Imo but with him and brown out it’s been tough. To me… need another point guard probably a veteran from the portal and need two more bigs. The 6’7 Pounds that’s already committed sounds like an athletic stretch 4 type. And I like Fields at 6’10. But need two more bigger players. Another center and maybe another power forward type that’s hopefully a lot bigger than Stanley. Williams should be playing 10 mins off the bench as an energizing undersized 4. The fact that he plays 20 plus mins a game shows our lack of size is a huge problem as well.

Unless a few guys enter the portal, I’m not sure we will have 3 more open scholarships to sign another PG and 2 bigs.

Outgoing:
Tre Brown
TSG
Ben Stanley

Incoming:
Vasean Allette
Yamari Allette
Daniel Pounds

The poor kid from Omaha has played like 5 minutes his whole time here and Charles Smith is a mystery. When your coaching life is on the line, don’t be surprised if those guys aren’t asked to look around somewhere else. Perhaps.

Jadin Johnson...

Apparently he isnt what the coaches thought he could be I guess...

(01-16-2023 12:21 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:31 AM)mac Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:22 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:42 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Point guard is a huge issue. I like Imo but with him and brown out it’s been tough. To me… need another point guard probably a veteran from the portal and need two more bigs. The 6’7 Pounds that’s already committed sounds like an athletic stretch 4 type. And I like Fields at 6’10. But need two more bigger players. Another center and maybe another power forward type that’s hopefully a lot bigger than Stanley. Williams should be playing 10 mins off the bench as an energizing undersized 4. The fact that he plays 20 plus mins a game shows our lack of size is a huge problem as well.

Unless a few guys enter the portal, I’m not sure we will have 3 more open scholarships to sign another PG and 2 bigs.

Outgoing:
Tre Brown
TSG
Ben Stanley

Incoming:
Vasean Allette
Yamari Allette
Daniel Pounds

The poor kid from Omaha has played like 5 minutes his whole time here and Charles Smith is a mystery. When your coaching life is on the line, don’t be surprised if those guys aren’t asked to look around somewhere else. Perhaps.

Jadin Johnson...

Apparently he isnt what the coaches thought he could be I guess...

I would imagine both of them will be looking for another team this off-season.

(01-16-2023 12:21 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:31 AM)mac Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 11:22 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 10:42 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Point guard is a huge issue. I like Imo but with him and brown out it’s been tough. To me… need another point guard probably a veteran from the portal and need two more bigs. The 6’7 Pounds that’s already committed sounds like an athletic stretch 4 type. And I like Fields at 6’10. But need two more bigger players. Another center and maybe another power forward type that’s hopefully a lot bigger than Stanley. Williams should be playing 10 mins off the bench as an energizing undersized 4. The fact that he plays 20 plus mins a game shows our lack of size is a huge problem as well.

Unless a few guys enter the portal, I’m not sure we will have 3 more open scholarships to sign another PG and 2 bigs.

Outgoing:
Tre Brown
TSG
Ben Stanley

Incoming:
Vasean Allette
Yamari Allette
Daniel Pounds

The poor kid from Omaha has played like 5 minutes his whole time here and Charles Smith is a mystery. When your coaching life is on the line, don’t be surprised if those guys aren’t asked to look around somewhere else. Perhaps.

Jadin Johnson...

Apparently he isnt what the coaches thought he could be I guess...

Coming out of high school he was one of the 30 - 40 top rated point guards in the country according to a couple of recruiting services. Here the team is in need of someone to play the point and still he sits. It's strange to recruit someone, get them, then decide 2 years into them being in the program that they still aren't good enough to help you out when you are in need. It doesn't speak well for their ability to evaluate talent.

It has to make people at least not get too excited about this new PG recruit (Allette). On top of that he is said to be a combo guard.

IIRC, some of the recruiting services had Johnson as a 6-0 point guard when he was a 6-3 shooting guard. Maybe we should question how reliable a scouting service is that knows nothing about the player? FWIW, Johnson was about the 300ish ranked player in the class with offers from Cleveland State and Montana State.

He's a player that since he committed had TSG, Jenkins, and Baker all commit to his position. (maybe even Stines, cant remember) He's at the deepest position on the team.

Vasean Allete is one of the highest rated recruits we have had in 10-15 years (~150 range). He came with offers from VCU, Arizona State, Boston College, St. Johns, among others. It is perfectly acceptable to be happy about it. The only hesitation is if Jones is fired, then it seems likely that he could decommit. He will likely play the TSG/Jenkins role and possibly slide over to the point.

(01-16-2023 04:25 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  IIRC, some of the recruiting services had Johnson as a 6-0 point guard when he was a 6-3 shooting guard. Maybe we should question how reliable a scouting service is that knows nothing about the player? FWIW, Johnson was about the 300ish ranked player in the class with offers from Cleveland State and Montana State.

He's a player that since he committed had TSG, Jenkins, and Baker all commit to his position. (maybe even Stines, cant remember) He's at the deepest position on the team.

Vasean Allete is one of the highest rated recruits we have had in 10-15 years (~150 range). He came with offers from VCU, Arizona State, Boston College, St. Johns, among others. It is perfectly acceptable to be happy about it. The only hesitation is if Jones is fired, then it seems likely that he could decommit. He will likely play the TSG/Jenkins role and possibly slide over to the point.

I don't know if any recruiting service had him listed at 6'-0", but ODU's own website did last season. In fact, it's still listing him as being 6'-0" on the site today (last season) and 6'-3" today (this season). Go figure.

https://odusports.com/sports/mens-basket...er/2021-22

You can say anything you want to Geek, but I heard it directly from Jeff that he recruited Jadin Johnson to play Point Guard at Old Dominion. THAT was his position as far as Jeff was concerned during the recruiting process. Certainly, Jeff knew how tall he was, right? If a former big time college Point Guard that's coached for decades can't evaluate recruits at that same position well enough to determine if they can/should play point guard in college then that is a very sad story. Maybe that is a big part of the problems ODU basketball is having lately. Spin that one for us.

This has nothing to do with Allette. Everyone is excited about his commitment. The only question I was presenting was whether or not he was actually going to be a PG if he got here since so many were referring to him at that position.

I can't speak to what you claim you were told by Jeff Jones, which I don't find believable, especially since you spent a full year telling us Johnson was 6 foot tall. But, Johnson practices on the wings and clearly would be playing PG this year if the team believed he was a point guard. But, everytime he plays in a game, its as a 2. And he supposedly practices as a wing. You would think if he was a PG, he would play there since 2 of the options are out and the third is a walkon. I think its clear as day what the team believe he is.

Johnson was supposedly the ballhandler for his AAU team his last year..and for his HS team where he was supposedly the best player.....maybe that led some less informed to think he was a PG. My guess is they someone had his height labeled incorrectly and people just believed he was a PG. They also had some guys named Everette Ray committing to ODU.

(01-16-2023 05:13 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I can't speak to what you claim you were told by Jeff Jones, which I don't find believable, especially since you spent a full year telling us Johnson was 6 foot tall. But, Johnson practices on the wings and clearly would be playing PG this year if the team believed he was a point guard. But, everytime he plays in a game, its as a 2. And he supposedly practices as a wing. You would think if he was a PG, he would play there since 2 of the options are out and the third is a walkon. I think its clear as day what the team believe he is.

Johnson was supposedly the ballhandler for his AAU team his last year..and for his HS team where he was supposedly the best player.....maybe that led some less informed to think he was a PG. My guess is they someone had his height labeled incorrectly and people just believed he was a PG. They also had some guys named Everette Ray committing to ODU.

You don't have to speak to it Giles. I already did, and it is a fact whether you choose to believe it or not. Let's face it. You're not the only one that talks to people or knows things on here. If I have an opinion I post it as such on here. This is not an opinion.

I already know that Johnson has been moved to the wing (last year) and is practicing there accordingly. Jeff told me that as well in the same conversation where he told me about him being recruited to ODU to play PG. Those are all facts whether you know them personally as such or not.

Jeff certainly should not have been among the "less informed" that you referred to above in evaluating Johnson, right?

EDIT - If you want to discuss it further, PM me so we don't detract anymore from the recruiting thread.

We are in big trouble if our coach is telling people that a player is a PG even though they play on the wings and practices on the wings from day 1.

Maybe BigBlueBobby is right!

(01-17-2023 11:34 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  We are in big trouble if our coach is telling people that a player is a PG even though they play on the wings and practices on the wings from day 1.

Maybe BigBlueBobby is right!

I think they're saying that they were recruited to play PG, but since getting here have been moved to the wing

(01-17-2023 11:49 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(01-17-2023 11:34 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  We are in big trouble if our coach is telling people that a player is a PG even though they play on the wings and practices on the wings from day 1.

Maybe BigBlueBobby is right!

I think they're saying that they were recruited to play PG, but since getting here have been moved to the wing

Yeah, thats what I mean. You don't "recruit a player to play PG" yet put them on the wing on Day 1. And then not move them back to PG when you are down 2 PGs.

Its not logical.