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RE: The Case for the ACC
(12-29-2022 02:28 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(12-29-2022 01:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-29-2022 01:35 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(12-29-2022 11:41 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I think FSU is more vocally pissed that the ACC’s contract is not that great, while their imagined peers in the SEC is getting way more. I think a lot schools are quietly unhappy about that, but rational thinking will prevail, the ACC is a good place for FSU to be. This is all assuming that somehow the GoR is not ironclad.

Then there is the other side, the SEC does not and probably should not expand past 16. Why would they want to grab the 2nd most popular school in Florida when they already have the first as well as getting top dollar for the SECN as is. Maybe they can raise carrier rates a little to make it all worth it for ESPN. Then who joins FSU? It will have to be Clemson or Miami, no way FSU leaves both behind when those matchups make FSU and ESPN lots of money. It also does not make sense to triple down in Florida or get another school from a low populated state like South Carolina.

Assuming this all makes dollars and sense and there is enough votes to make it pass, now the SEC just opened up the opportunity for the BigTen to cherry pick who they want. Is that a sound SEC strategy?

I don't think that the SEC really cares. I think ESPN does.
The SEC has been very successful without being in North Carolina or Virginia, plus the SEC will have it's hands full for a few years trying to assimilate Texas and Oklahoma.

The SEC cares if the Big 10 raids the ACC. If not, we are content. It won't take much time at all to assimilate Texas and Oklahoma. We already have A&M, Missouri, and Arkansas.

Whatever happens next, happens quickly and comprehensively, and I don't see it taking 10, or 12, or 14 years to happen. It'll all be done by 2025. Why? There's too much money at stake not to move soon.

It appears to me that the B1G still has the next move. I don't believe that USCLA is their end game. I'm sure they would like to make inroads into SEC turf, but they have to decide what is strategically best for them in the long run. Do they make a play for UNC and Virginia hoping to build a bridge to FSU? Or do they accept that they already have a strong bridge to further expansion in the west, with teams from a conference with which they already have a long relationship and schools with whom they are more culturally compatible than those in the south who would really prefer in their heart of hearts to be wooed by the SEC?

My money says they take the proverbial bird in the hand and lay the foundation for a clear and logical two dominant conference world of the future. In my mind, it is only a question of how soon all this happens - not whether it happens. Both the SEC and B1G need each other to be strong for an optimal solution to realignment to emerge instead of a sub-optimal one.

Ken D, I think you are correct in this line of thinking. With Warren likely to leave the Big 10 I would bet that part of his interest in the top job of the Bears will be in leaving the divide within the Big 10 over whether to add academical fits or do what is necessary to ensure access to recruits for athletics, which I believe was a likely emphasis of Warren. If Phillips or another candidate with the Michigan/Illinois/Northwestern/Wisconsin cadre takes the helm I will be confident of the their adding California, Stanford, Washington, and Oregon and putting emphasis on Notre Dame as their athletic band aid.

Warren is the one who like Sankey was tutored by Mike Slive. With Slive building brand power was the constant drumbeat. Warren's strike on Los Angeles was about recruiting. His interest in North Carolina and Virginia was about recruiting to a certain extent and his constant hints at Florida was his destination if he could get into North Carolina and Georgia. A Big 10 traditionalists in the commissioner's seat will head West, IMO.

I've held back until today, but the way around the GOR was tagged by Jay Bilas early on, merger. If the parent company holds all the rights of both parties and can establish a timeline for ameliorating some of the revenue disparity, then a merger is always a way around a GOR. It doesn't violate the rights holder, and if it is in total it doesn't harm any of the signees. Unequal revenue sharing as an initial pre-condition with the next 14 years to work out an amelioration is the work to be done, but it allows for anything from a scheduling arrangement to a full merger with 14 years to work it out without losing so much revenue. We'll see.

I've merely held it back waiting on some on the main board to double down on the unbreak ability and impossibility talk they love where GORs are concerned.
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(12-28-2022 01:08 PM)green Wrote:  

https://twitter.com/Techmeme/status/1608105664865513472

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Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of making people sign up for Amazon Prime in order to see the sports they want? Or do you have to buy Amazon Prime to use the app? If that's the case this is just a way to make it easier to stream the games on various devices.
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(12-30-2022 04:23 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(12-28-2022 01:08 PM)green Wrote:  

https://twitter.com/Techmeme/status/1608105664865513472

LET ME STAND NEXT TO YOUR FIRE

Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of making people sign up for Amazon Prime in order to see the sports they want? Or do you have to buy Amazon Prime to use the app? If that's the case this is just a way to make it easier to stream the games on various devices.

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(12-30-2022 04:36 PM)green Wrote:  
(12-30-2022 04:23 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(12-28-2022 01:08 PM)green Wrote:  

https://twitter.com/Techmeme/status/1608105664865513472

LET ME STAND NEXT TO YOUR FIRE

Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of making people sign up for Amazon Prime in order to see the sports they want? Or do you have to buy Amazon Prime to use the app? If that's the case this is just a way to make it easier to stream the games on various devices.

means they need inventory ...
know your worth ...

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OK, I see what you're saying now. Pretty soon that Raycom RSN deal will be done and we can sell them some of our 3rd tier package.
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RE: The Case for the ACC
(12-31-2022 12:54 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(12-30-2022 04:36 PM)green Wrote:  
(12-30-2022 04:23 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(12-28-2022 01:08 PM)green Wrote:  

https://twitter.com/Techmeme/status/1608105664865513472

LET ME STAND NEXT TO YOUR FIRE

Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of making people sign up for Amazon Prime in order to see the sports they want? Or do you have to buy Amazon Prime to use the app? If that's the case this is just a way to make it easier to stream the games on various devices.

means they need inventory ...
know your worth ...

CLUTTER-FREE

OK, I see what you're saying now. Pretty soon that Raycom RSN deal will be done and we can sell them some of our 3rd tier package.

that’s an espn deal ...
sublicensed through 2027 I believe ...
was really alluding to amazon’s acquisition of pac & b1g games being a foregone conclusion at present ...

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(12-29-2022 02:28 PM)ken d Wrote:  It appears to me that the B1G still has the next move. I don't believe that USCLA is their end game. I'm sure they would like to make inroads into SEC turf, but they have to decide what is strategically best for them in the long run. Do they make a play for UNC and Virginia hoping to build a bridge to FSU? Or do they accept that they already have a strong bridge to further expansion in the west, with teams from a conference with which they already have a long relationship and schools with whom they are more culturally compatible than those in the south who would really prefer in their heart of hearts to be wooed by the SEC?

My money says they take the proverbial bird in the hand and lay the foundation for a clear and logical two dominant conference world of the future. In my mind, it is only a question of how soon all this happens - not whether it happens. Both the SEC and B1G need each other to be strong for an optimal solution to realignment to emerge instead of a sub-optimal one.

I agree as long as you don’t consider economics, politics or religion. The west coast and mid-west are about as cultural opposites as you can get.

In hindsight that’s part of The ACC’s problem. Notre Dame, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College and Miami have almost nothing in common with the other half of the conference.
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(12-31-2022 08:56 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-29-2022 02:28 PM)ken d Wrote:  It appears to me that the B1G still has the next move. I don't believe that USCLA is their end game. I'm sure they would like to make inroads into SEC turf, but they have to decide what is strategically best for them in the long run. Do they make a play for UNC and Virginia hoping to build a bridge to FSU? Or do they accept that they already have a strong bridge to further expansion in the west, with teams from a conference with which they already have a long relationship and schools with whom they are more culturally compatible than those in the south who would really prefer in their heart of hearts to be wooed by the SEC?

My money says they take the proverbial bird in the hand and lay the foundation for a clear and logical two dominant conference world of the future. In my mind, it is only a question of how soon all this happens - not whether it happens. Both the SEC and B1G need each other to be strong for an optimal solution to realignment to emerge instead of a sub-optimal one.

I agree as long as you don’t consider economics, politics or religion. The west coast and mid-west are about as cultural opposites as you can get.

In hindsight that’s part of The ACC’s problem. Notre Dame, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College and Miami have almost nothing in common with the other half of the conference.

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RE: The Case for the ACC
(12-31-2022 08:56 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-29-2022 02:28 PM)ken d Wrote:  It appears to me that the B1G still has the next move. I don't believe that USCLA is their end game. I'm sure they would like to make inroads into SEC turf, but they have to decide what is strategically best for them in the long run. Do they make a play for UNC and Virginia hoping to build a bridge to FSU? Or do they accept that they already have a strong bridge to further expansion in the west, with teams from a conference with which they already have a long relationship and schools with whom they are more culturally compatible than those in the south who would really prefer in their heart of hearts to be wooed by the SEC?

My money says they take the proverbial bird in the hand and lay the foundation for a clear and logical two dominant conference world of the future. In my mind, it is only a question of how soon all this happens - not whether it happens. Both the SEC and B1G need each other to be strong for an optimal solution to realignment to emerge instead of a sub-optimal one.

I agree as long as you don’t consider economics, politics or religion. The west coast and mid-west are about as cultural opposites as you can get.

In hindsight that’s part of The ACC’s problem. Notre Dame, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College and Miami have almost nothing in common with the other half of the conference.

The culture of the average person is not what is "culturally important". It's the culture of the ptb who run things. In academia the culture of the Big 10 and P12 is nearly identical because of 70 years of cross pollination. The hallmark of their shared culture is WWII and Cold War funded research and development. It's a culture that has a different orientation to the relationship between labor and management, writ large. It's a culture that promotes the actual independence of the person/student/employee not the indoctrination of the person/student/employee into lifelong service for the larger clan. BC and Boston in general have a lot in common with the Tidewater/Atlantic South but you might not "feel" those commonalities unless you visit Charleston, Wilmington, Hampton Roads, Georgetown, etc.
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RE: The Case for the ACC
(12-31-2022 09:10 AM)green Wrote:  
(12-31-2022 08:56 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-29-2022 02:28 PM)ken d Wrote:  It appears to me that the B1G still has the next move. I don't believe that USCLA is their end game. I'm sure they would like to make inroads into SEC turf, but they have to decide what is strategically best for them in the long run. Do they make a play for UNC and Virginia hoping to build a bridge to FSU? Or do they accept that they already have a strong bridge to further expansion in the west, with teams from a conference with which they already have a long relationship and schools with whom they are more culturally compatible than those in the south who would really prefer in their heart of hearts to be wooed by the SEC?

My money says they take the proverbial bird in the hand and lay the foundation for a clear and logical two dominant conference world of the future. In my mind, it is only a question of how soon all this happens - not whether it happens. Both the SEC and B1G need each other to be strong for an optimal solution to realignment to emerge instead of a sub-optimal one.

I agree as long as you don’t consider economics, politics or religion. The west coast and mid-west are about as cultural opposites as you can get.

In hindsight that’s part of The ACC’s problem. Notre Dame, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College and Miami have almost nothing in common with the other half of the conference.

what does university of texas at austin have in common with the rest of sec ...

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Next to nothing per se.

TAMU is fully southern and texan. Texas has a dash of eastern in it. Of course it is generally forgotten that the the ptb in Texas came from Virginia.

Academically and socio-economically Texas has few peers because it is something of an odd duck. Illinois, UNC, UVa in the east and Stanford and USC in the west are about it.
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I think the following breakdown partially explain what Universities are similar and why:

Private - (They perpetuate their own board and any subsidy or state money is minimal):

BC, Pitt, Syracuse, ND, NW, Vandy, Duke, WF, Miami, USC, Stanford, Rice, Tulane (Pitt's not public)

Southern Land Grant/Cow Colleges (Cow College is not negative appellation - just a recognition of the importance of Vet, Ag, and Food programs combined with Engineering):

Auburn, Clemson, Miss State, Ok State, NC State, VT

Combined Land Grant / Largest Public U In State (this is the largest group - they took the Land Grant m:

Eastern Group - UConn, Rutgers, MD, Penn State, West Va, Delaware
[b]Mid Western Group
- Minn, Illinois, MSU, Nebraska, Ill, KSU, ISU, Mizzou, Wisky
[b]Western Group
- WSU (much smaller than Washington), OSU, Colorado State (much smaller than Colorado), Cal - UCLA, UA (much smaller than ASU)
[b]Southern Group
- Tenn, Ga, Ky, Florida, LSU, TAMU[/b][/b][/b]

Non-Land Grants usually with a Land Grant "little brother"
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Michigan, UNC, UVa, Indiana, Kansas, Utah, Arizona State, South Carolina, Oklahoma, Colorado, Washington, Oregon, Texas (technically UT is the little brother)

Actually placing Louisville, Purdue, GT, FSU, and Arizona is a little difficult.

GT is a pure anomaly more akin to MIT or Cal Tech than a large, old state U like UNC or UVa, or a land grant like Auburn or VT. It has more characteristics of a private U than a public U but is saddled with a public board.

Arizona is AAU and a long standing WWII/Cold Warrior U but is much, much smaller than Arizona State. ASU is not an land grant either. Purdue might be the only younger land grant that outshines it's in-state older rival. FSU and Louisville are difficult to place because they are relatively young in the context of 175 to 200 year old states.
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(12-31-2022 08:56 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-29-2022 02:28 PM)ken d Wrote:  It appears to me that the B1G still has the next move. I don't believe that USCLA is their end game. I'm sure they would like to make inroads into SEC turf, but they have to decide what is strategically best for them in the long run. Do they make a play for UNC and Virginia hoping to build a bridge to FSU? Or do they accept that they already have a strong bridge to further expansion in the west, with teams from a conference with which they already have a long relationship and schools with whom they are more culturally compatible than those in the south who would really prefer in their heart of hearts to be wooed by the SEC?

My money says they take the proverbial bird in the hand and lay the foundation for a clear and logical two dominant conference world of the future. In my mind, it is only a question of how soon all this happens - not whether it happens. Both the SEC and B1G need each other to be strong for an optimal solution to realignment to emerge instead of a sub-optimal one.

I agree as long as you don’t consider economics, politics or religion. The west coast and mid-west are about as cultural opposites as you can get.

In hindsight that’s part of The ACC’s problem. Notre Dame, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College and Miami have almost nothing in common with the other half of the conference.

I get the vibe that the cultural divide isn't quite that stark. Midwest to south certainly has distinct differences, and it's more pronounced in the deep south. We live in north Alabama have in laws in San Diego. That is a radical culture difference. It might as well be a foreign country.
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(12-31-2022 10:21 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(12-31-2022 08:56 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-29-2022 02:28 PM)ken d Wrote:  It appears to me that the B1G still has the next move. I don't believe that USCLA is their end game. I'm sure they would like to make inroads into SEC turf, but they have to decide what is strategically best for them in the long run. Do they make a play for UNC and Virginia hoping to build a bridge to FSU? Or do they accept that they already have a strong bridge to further expansion in the west, with teams from a conference with which they already have a long relationship and schools with whom they are more culturally compatible than those in the south who would really prefer in their heart of hearts to be wooed by the SEC?

My money says they take the proverbial bird in the hand and lay the foundation for a clear and logical two dominant conference world of the future. In my mind, it is only a question of how soon all this happens - not whether it happens. Both the SEC and B1G need each other to be strong for an optimal solution to realignment to emerge instead of a sub-optimal one.

I agree as long as you don’t consider economics, politics or religion. The west coast and mid-west are about as cultural opposites as you can get.

In hindsight that’s part of The ACC’s problem. Notre Dame, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College and Miami have almost nothing in common with the other half of the conference.

I get the vibe that the cultural divide isn't quite that stark. Midwest to south certainly has distinct differences, and it's more pronounced in the deep south. We live in north Alabama have in laws in San Diego. That is a radical culture difference. It might as well be a foreign country.

A great set of maps for study: https://vividmaps.com/regions-united-states/
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(12-31-2022 08:56 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-29-2022 02:28 PM)ken d Wrote:  It appears to me that the B1G still has the next move. I don't believe that USCLA is their end game. I'm sure they would like to make inroads into SEC turf, but they have to decide what is strategically best for them in the long run. Do they make a play for UNC and Virginia hoping to build a bridge to FSU? Or do they accept that they already have a strong bridge to further expansion in the west, with teams from a conference with which they already have a long relationship and schools with whom they are more culturally compatible than those in the south who would really prefer in their heart of hearts to be wooed by the SEC?

My money says they take the proverbial bird in the hand and lay the foundation for a clear and logical two dominant conference world of the future. In my mind, it is only a question of how soon all this happens - not whether it happens. Both the SEC and B1G need each other to be strong for an optimal solution to realignment to emerge instead of a sub-optimal one.

I agree as long as you don’t consider economics, politics or religion. The west coast and mid-west are about as cultural opposites as you can get.

In hindsight that’s part of The ACC’s problem. Notre Dame, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College and Miami have almost nothing in common with the other half of the conference.

Unfortunately the ACC presidents bought what ESPN was selling and it has turned into the League's problem.
Now the ACC is stuck with pieces that really don't fit and the only thing that binds them together is the ACCN income.
If I didn't have to deal with Notre Dame, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College and Miami....I wouldn't.
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(12-31-2022 10:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(12-31-2022 08:56 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-29-2022 02:28 PM)ken d Wrote:  It appears to me that the B1G still has the next move. I don't believe that USCLA is their end game. I'm sure they would like to make inroads into SEC turf, but they have to decide what is strategically best for them in the long run. Do they make a play for UNC and Virginia hoping to build a bridge to FSU? Or do they accept that they already have a strong bridge to further expansion in the west, with teams from a conference with which they already have a long relationship and schools with whom they are more culturally compatible than those in the south who would really prefer in their heart of hearts to be wooed by the SEC?

My money says they take the proverbial bird in the hand and lay the foundation for a clear and logical two dominant conference world of the future. In my mind, it is only a question of how soon all this happens - not whether it happens. Both the SEC and B1G need each other to be strong for an optimal solution to realignment to emerge instead of a sub-optimal one.

I agree as long as you don’t consider economics, politics or religion. The west coast and mid-west are about as cultural opposites as you can get.

In hindsight that’s part of The ACC’s problem. Notre Dame, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College and Miami have almost nothing in common with the other half of the conference.

Unfortunately the ACC presidents bought what ESPN was selling and it has turned into the League's problem.
Now the ACC is stuck with pieces that really don't fit and the only thing that binds them together is the ACCN income.
If I didn't have to deal with Notre Dame, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College and Miami....I wouldn't.

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(12-31-2022 10:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(12-31-2022 08:56 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-29-2022 02:28 PM)ken d Wrote:  It appears to me that the B1G still has the next move. I don't believe that USCLA is their end game. I'm sure they would like to make inroads into SEC turf, but they have to decide what is strategically best for them in the long run. Do they make a play for UNC and Virginia hoping to build a bridge to FSU? Or do they accept that they already have a strong bridge to further expansion in the west, with teams from a conference with which they already have a long relationship and schools with whom they are more culturally compatible than those in the south who would really prefer in their heart of hearts to be wooed by the SEC?

My money says they take the proverbial bird in the hand and lay the foundation for a clear and logical two dominant conference world of the future. In my mind, it is only a question of how soon all this happens - not whether it happens. Both the SEC and B1G need each other to be strong for an optimal solution to realignment to emerge instead of a sub-optimal one.

I agree as long as you don’t consider economics, politics or religion. The west coast and mid-west are about as cultural opposites as you can get.

In hindsight that’s part of The ACC’s problem. Notre Dame, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College and Miami have almost nothing in common with the other half of the conference.

Unfortunately the ACC presidents bought what ESPN was selling and it has turned into the League's problem.
Now the ACC is stuck with pieces that really don't fit and the only thing that binds them together is the ACCN income.
If I didn't have to deal with Notre Dame, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College and Miami....I wouldn't.


I hope that you are self aware enough to know that the feeling is extremely mutual.
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(12-31-2022 08:11 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(12-31-2022 10:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(12-31-2022 08:56 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-29-2022 02:28 PM)ken d Wrote:  It appears to me that the B1G still has the next move. I don't believe that USCLA is their end game. I'm sure they would like to make inroads into SEC turf, but they have to decide what is strategically best for them in the long run. Do they make a play for UNC and Virginia hoping to build a bridge to FSU? Or do they accept that they already have a strong bridge to further expansion in the west, with teams from a conference with which they already have a long relationship and schools with whom they are more culturally compatible than those in the south who would really prefer in their heart of hearts to be wooed by the SEC?

My money says they take the proverbial bird in the hand and lay the foundation for a clear and logical two dominant conference world of the future. In my mind, it is only a question of how soon all this happens - not whether it happens. Both the SEC and B1G need each other to be strong for an optimal solution to realignment to emerge instead of a sub-optimal one.

I agree as long as you don’t consider economics, politics or religion. The west coast and mid-west are about as cultural opposites as you can get.

In hindsight that’s part of The ACC’s problem. Notre Dame, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College and Miami have almost nothing in common with the other half of the conference.

Unfortunately the ACC presidents bought what ESPN was selling and it has turned into the League's problem.
Now the ACC is stuck with pieces that really don't fit and the only thing that binds them together is the ACCN income.
If I didn't have to deal with Notre Dame, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College and Miami....I wouldn't.


I hope that you are self aware enough to know that the feeling is extremely mutual.

That makes perfectly good sense, Terry.
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(12-31-2022 09:58 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Arizona is AAU and a long standing WWII/Cold Warrior U but is much, much smaller than Arizona State. ASU is not an land grant either. Purdue might be the only younger land grant that outshines it's in-state older rival. FSU and Louisville are difficult to place because they are relatively young in the context of 175 to 200 year old states.

The Commonwealth of Kentucky joined the union in 1792.
The University of Louisville was founded in 1798…. if 6 years is “relatively young”

UofL is a 225 year old institution. The oldest city owned university in the country. One of the first universities chartered west of the Allegheny Mountains.

UofL is the third oldest university in The ACC. Pittsburgh was founded in 1787 and UNC was founded in 1789.
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(01-03-2023 07:10 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-31-2022 09:58 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Arizona is AAU and a long standing WWII/Cold Warrior U but is much, much smaller than Arizona State. ASU is not an land grant either. Purdue might be the only younger land grant that outshines it's in-state older rival. FSU and Louisville are difficult to place because they are relatively young in the context of 175 to 200 year old states.

The Commonwealth of Kentucky joined the union in 1792.
The University of Louisville was founded in 1798…. if 6 years is “relatively young”

UofL is a 225 year old institution. The oldest city owned university in the country. One of the first universities chartered west of the Allegheny Mountains.

UofL is the third oldest university in The ACC. Pittsburgh was founded in 1787 and UNC was founded in 1789.

Yes! And more importantly people who graduated from them back then could read, write (and I mean in cursive), and speak the language eloquently, in addition to being able to do basic mathematics in their heads without reliance upon devices of any kind, and do it without electricity, and while still being expected to perform manual tasks daily.

We've come so far in 225 years that the last thing anyone should do today is feel academic arrogance when the product they collectively produce is so very lacking. They are now more concerned with what credentials they hold than what they actually know and can do.

In the words of the Guinness company, "Brilliant!" And one more pet peeve of mine, why do we need a distinction between a "City" university, a "Rural" university, a "Private University" and a "State" university, as if somehow, they weren't all universities? Is their setting somehow relevant to their product?
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